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This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally. Thanks. --- J.S ( t| c) 07:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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I had not noticed your warning about posting links to YouTube when I installed a link to General Stubblebine's video yesterday. In any event, the link was promptly removed by an administrator who goes by the name Dougweller. I wrote him as soon as I realized that he had removed both my link and the text that I had written. I haven't heard from him since so perhaps you would be kind enough to tell me what the policy is exactly about writing what I did. Everything related to 9/11 seems taboo here on Wikipedia. It seems that the only things allowed are disparaging comments about people who are guilty of nothing else but seeking the truth, whatever it may be. On the discussion page of Talk:Albert_Stubblebine, Cs32en proposed adding a paragraph that put General Stubblebine's research into goatstaring in a more proper perspective than the text that is available online right now and which seems geared to discredit him as a kook. Shouldn't wikipedians avoid subjecting people to ridicule, especially when it is not warranted? I find all this very disturbing. Cs32en proposed adding his text on November 11. An unnamed editor agreed with him on the very same day but nothing has been done since. Perhaps Cs32en has forgotten about it. Can I put that text in its proper place myself or should we wait for Cs32en to do it or, if you prefer, could you do it yourself?
Below, you will find the message I had written to User_talk:Dougweller yesterday and which has remained unanswered:
I will be posting this message on the Talk:Albert_Stubblebine page also to ensure that it gets answered as soon as possible and to keep other wikipedians abreast of what is happening to Albert Stubblebine's page. For the record, here is the paragraph I had written yesterday and which was a literal transcript, word for word, of what was said in the latter part of the video. I'm quite willing to edit it if that's what it takes:
Thank you for your reply. I will try to contact the people who made the video and ask them for a copyright release. I will also try to find additional sources for that quote. Oclupak ( talk) 08:30, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Keep up the good work Wikipedia, this sort of content is what make this cight (sic) so credible as a resource. For those who think these people are jokers, I would like to give a first hand example.
My brother was a herdsman (managed and milked a herd of 200 cows). Mastitis is not uncommon in cows; the treatment, Antibiotics injected directly up the teat into the udder. The cow has to be milked, but the milk must be be thrown away. He was told by the tanker driver (who picked up the raw milk), that the milk was only ever tested for this type of contamination on Tuesdays. My brother being paid by performance knew not to put the milk contaminated by Antibiotics into the bulk tank, ON TUESDAYS. The moral of the tale, only buy your triple thick shakes on Wednesdays!
Gee more paranoid rubbish............ In case anyone's interested Stubblebine is the person who tried to teach US soldiers to kill by starting at an enemy, to become invisible by willing it so and suffers from both paranoia and dementia. His views on the crash into the Pentagon are at variance with reality and should be treated in the same way as his parapsychological nonsense. Stubblebine gave a lecture at the International Symposium on UFO Research, sponsored by the International Association for New Science, in Denver, Colorado (May 22-25, 1992). It gives a good example of Stubblebine's coherence (or lack there of) and paranoia (he often threatened to destroy the tape). Stubblebine claimed that none of the members of the remote viewing program had prior psychic abilities or interests (all other sources state that they did). Basically he's a nut with brain rot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.0.122 ( talk) 13:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Anyone knows when he was born? He seemed quite old already. 80.108.103.172 ( talk) 21:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
This article is currently under discussion at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#IP editing text claiming at behest of subject at Albert Stubblebine. -- Orlady ( talk) 19:18, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
In BLP articles, we should take every bit of available (mis-)information with a large bucket of salt. You can find the following about Stubblebine in a different article:
"He was one of America's most distinguished soldiers and chief of U.S. Army Intelligence, with 16,000 soldiers under his command. He was instrumental in the invasions of Panama and Grenada. In fact, it is no exaggeration to say that Albert Stubblebine III was at the heart of America's military machine."
According to the somewhat more detailed descriptions of the walking-through-walls issue, it is unclear whether Stubblebine wasn't actually making fun on his job and on himself. He alledgedly encouraged visitors to his office to try walk through walls there, which would be a counterintuitive habit if he would actually look out for a secret formula to actually walk through walls. Cs32en 01:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
see Militärhellseher im Kalten Krieg: Projekt "Star Gate" published in Telepolis (Heise-Verlag, Hamburg) -- Alexander.stohr ( talk) 09:52, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
From the article, I get the impression this guy's perceived notability is entirely due to passing mentions in film and book reviews of The Men Who Stare At Goats and a host of obscure 9/11 conspiracy sites flogging a single, sensationalistic quotation attributed to him. Surely there's non-sensational coverage of his life and career by multiple, independent sources. This is supposed to be a biography article, right? - LuckyLouie ( talk) 02:03, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
There's some additional material, including a citation, here: [4] Seems to me it might be worthy of incorporating into this article. Vitaminman ( talk) 17:40, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
I believe the addition of this material was made in good faith, but please see WP:V and WP:RS. A listing at www.last.fm/music isn't considered a reliable source of fact. A newspaper article, a biography written in a magazine, etc. would be sufficient. The www.globalresearch.ca site is a conspiracy site and definitely not reliable, and www.drrima.net is a self published source. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 02:33, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Dougweller , rather than engaging in edits that appear to me to be destructive or unconstructive (And I apologise in advance if I am wrong here), why don't you do what any Wikipedia contributor should do? Find other references to support the fact that he is married to Dr Laibow!
It's simple. I have provided some but it seems that there may be another agenda here. (And again I apologise if I am wrong). Please see what you can find.
( Boss Reality ( talk) 11:22, 26 June 2014 (UTC))
- A lot of this article is a smear campaign on Albert Stubblebine. Anyone with half a brain can read it and understand that. Those references above do not meet biographical guidelines. It also asserts he had a divorce and gives a reason for it that is not sourced anywhere. I would like to see this article re-written without conjecture and people that have a reason to tarnish his good name. Marty2Hotty ( talk) 21:46, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
"Stubblebine's statements questioning the plausibility of the damage done to The Pentagon by the hijacked aircraft during the September 11 attacks have been cited by David Ray Griffin to suggest that there was a conspiracy involving some elements of the U.S. government."
And yet, Wikipedia doesn't bother to mention what those statements WERE. I read from a non-credible source that he questioned whether or not what impacted the Pentagon on 9/11 was a plane, and that it may have been a missle. Crazy and stupid, right? So I came to this Wikipedia Article to find out the truth, and what I find is an ambiguous statement about what someone else said he said, but not what someone else said he actually SAID, or even what he actually SAID. This is too weird, and given history I doubt it's oversight. 107.195.106.201 ( talk) 03:30, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
I removed a link in the lead Who Killed General Bert and Happy Birthday, Wherever You Are. which promotes a fringe conspiracy theory. This is not even close to a WP:RS. In fact, I don't think we should use citations to this site at all. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 15:12, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
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This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally. Thanks. --- J.S ( t| c) 07:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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I had not noticed your warning about posting links to YouTube when I installed a link to General Stubblebine's video yesterday. In any event, the link was promptly removed by an administrator who goes by the name Dougweller. I wrote him as soon as I realized that he had removed both my link and the text that I had written. I haven't heard from him since so perhaps you would be kind enough to tell me what the policy is exactly about writing what I did. Everything related to 9/11 seems taboo here on Wikipedia. It seems that the only things allowed are disparaging comments about people who are guilty of nothing else but seeking the truth, whatever it may be. On the discussion page of Talk:Albert_Stubblebine, Cs32en proposed adding a paragraph that put General Stubblebine's research into goatstaring in a more proper perspective than the text that is available online right now and which seems geared to discredit him as a kook. Shouldn't wikipedians avoid subjecting people to ridicule, especially when it is not warranted? I find all this very disturbing. Cs32en proposed adding his text on November 11. An unnamed editor agreed with him on the very same day but nothing has been done since. Perhaps Cs32en has forgotten about it. Can I put that text in its proper place myself or should we wait for Cs32en to do it or, if you prefer, could you do it yourself?
Below, you will find the message I had written to User_talk:Dougweller yesterday and which has remained unanswered:
I will be posting this message on the Talk:Albert_Stubblebine page also to ensure that it gets answered as soon as possible and to keep other wikipedians abreast of what is happening to Albert Stubblebine's page. For the record, here is the paragraph I had written yesterday and which was a literal transcript, word for word, of what was said in the latter part of the video. I'm quite willing to edit it if that's what it takes:
Thank you for your reply. I will try to contact the people who made the video and ask them for a copyright release. I will also try to find additional sources for that quote. Oclupak ( talk) 08:30, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Keep up the good work Wikipedia, this sort of content is what make this cight (sic) so credible as a resource. For those who think these people are jokers, I would like to give a first hand example.
My brother was a herdsman (managed and milked a herd of 200 cows). Mastitis is not uncommon in cows; the treatment, Antibiotics injected directly up the teat into the udder. The cow has to be milked, but the milk must be be thrown away. He was told by the tanker driver (who picked up the raw milk), that the milk was only ever tested for this type of contamination on Tuesdays. My brother being paid by performance knew not to put the milk contaminated by Antibiotics into the bulk tank, ON TUESDAYS. The moral of the tale, only buy your triple thick shakes on Wednesdays!
Gee more paranoid rubbish............ In case anyone's interested Stubblebine is the person who tried to teach US soldiers to kill by starting at an enemy, to become invisible by willing it so and suffers from both paranoia and dementia. His views on the crash into the Pentagon are at variance with reality and should be treated in the same way as his parapsychological nonsense. Stubblebine gave a lecture at the International Symposium on UFO Research, sponsored by the International Association for New Science, in Denver, Colorado (May 22-25, 1992). It gives a good example of Stubblebine's coherence (or lack there of) and paranoia (he often threatened to destroy the tape). Stubblebine claimed that none of the members of the remote viewing program had prior psychic abilities or interests (all other sources state that they did). Basically he's a nut with brain rot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.0.122 ( talk) 13:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Anyone knows when he was born? He seemed quite old already. 80.108.103.172 ( talk) 21:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
This article is currently under discussion at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#IP editing text claiming at behest of subject at Albert Stubblebine. -- Orlady ( talk) 19:18, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
In BLP articles, we should take every bit of available (mis-)information with a large bucket of salt. You can find the following about Stubblebine in a different article:
"He was one of America's most distinguished soldiers and chief of U.S. Army Intelligence, with 16,000 soldiers under his command. He was instrumental in the invasions of Panama and Grenada. In fact, it is no exaggeration to say that Albert Stubblebine III was at the heart of America's military machine."
According to the somewhat more detailed descriptions of the walking-through-walls issue, it is unclear whether Stubblebine wasn't actually making fun on his job and on himself. He alledgedly encouraged visitors to his office to try walk through walls there, which would be a counterintuitive habit if he would actually look out for a secret formula to actually walk through walls. Cs32en 01:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
see Militärhellseher im Kalten Krieg: Projekt "Star Gate" published in Telepolis (Heise-Verlag, Hamburg) -- Alexander.stohr ( talk) 09:52, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
From the article, I get the impression this guy's perceived notability is entirely due to passing mentions in film and book reviews of The Men Who Stare At Goats and a host of obscure 9/11 conspiracy sites flogging a single, sensationalistic quotation attributed to him. Surely there's non-sensational coverage of his life and career by multiple, independent sources. This is supposed to be a biography article, right? - LuckyLouie ( talk) 02:03, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
There's some additional material, including a citation, here: [4] Seems to me it might be worthy of incorporating into this article. Vitaminman ( talk) 17:40, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
I believe the addition of this material was made in good faith, but please see WP:V and WP:RS. A listing at www.last.fm/music isn't considered a reliable source of fact. A newspaper article, a biography written in a magazine, etc. would be sufficient. The www.globalresearch.ca site is a conspiracy site and definitely not reliable, and www.drrima.net is a self published source. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 02:33, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Dougweller , rather than engaging in edits that appear to me to be destructive or unconstructive (And I apologise in advance if I am wrong here), why don't you do what any Wikipedia contributor should do? Find other references to support the fact that he is married to Dr Laibow!
It's simple. I have provided some but it seems that there may be another agenda here. (And again I apologise if I am wrong). Please see what you can find.
( Boss Reality ( talk) 11:22, 26 June 2014 (UTC))
- A lot of this article is a smear campaign on Albert Stubblebine. Anyone with half a brain can read it and understand that. Those references above do not meet biographical guidelines. It also asserts he had a divorce and gives a reason for it that is not sourced anywhere. I would like to see this article re-written without conjecture and people that have a reason to tarnish his good name. Marty2Hotty ( talk) 21:46, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
"Stubblebine's statements questioning the plausibility of the damage done to The Pentagon by the hijacked aircraft during the September 11 attacks have been cited by David Ray Griffin to suggest that there was a conspiracy involving some elements of the U.S. government."
And yet, Wikipedia doesn't bother to mention what those statements WERE. I read from a non-credible source that he questioned whether or not what impacted the Pentagon on 9/11 was a plane, and that it may have been a missle. Crazy and stupid, right? So I came to this Wikipedia Article to find out the truth, and what I find is an ambiguous statement about what someone else said he said, but not what someone else said he actually SAID, or even what he actually SAID. This is too weird, and given history I doubt it's oversight. 107.195.106.201 ( talk) 03:30, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
I removed a link in the lead Who Killed General Bert and Happy Birthday, Wherever You Are. which promotes a fringe conspiracy theory. This is not even close to a WP:RS. In fact, I don't think we should use citations to this site at all. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 15:12, 15 September 2023 (UTC)