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This was not a civil war. The name of the article should be changed. Terms that could replace the current title: turmoil, crisis, riots, unrest, rebellion, anarchy. I personally prefer unrest, or civil unrest. I would like to see if there are any other ideas before making any changes. Çerçok ( talk) 23:57, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Ktrimi991:@ Çerçok: The term insurgency could be used as well. FierakuiVërtet ( talk) 12:42, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
That is totally fine with me:) Yes, @ Çerçok: you should make a move request. FierakuiVërtet ( talk) 06:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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Albanian Civil War → 1997 Albanian civil unrest – Referring to the events that took place in Albania in 1997 as a civil war is not entirely accurate. While there was widespread violence and unrest during that time, it was not an organized conflict involving organized armed groups fighting against each other for control of the government or territory. Instead, it was primarily characterized by acts of lawlessness, looting, and rioting by civilians in response to the collapse of the pyramid schemes. Even the Albanian Wiki article is not titled "Albanian Civil War". I am struggling to find reputable sources that explicitly refer to these events as the "Albanian civil war". Academics such as Oliver Schmitt, Bernd Jürgen Fischer, and Fred C. Abrahams mostly refer to as a revolt ( 1, 2) or uprising. In Abrahams' 'Modern Albania: From Dictatorship to Democracy in Europe, he states:
"Journalists and analysts have struggled to characterize Albania’s tumultuous year. Some said the north and south fought a civil war: the Ghegs of the northern highlands versus the Tosks of the southern plains. A few called it a religious dispute, although it is not clear between whom. Berisha portrayed it as a communist revolt, with help from Greece and the United States. The chaos of 1997 was not a civil war along geographic, religious, or tribal lines. Berisha enjoyed support in the north, but many northerners opposed his rule, furious at having lost their cash. Likewise, the DP had supporters in the south."
Sources such as NATO, the IMF, CNN, APNews, LeMonde, LeFigaro, The New York Times, referred/refer to it as "unrest", "revolt", "rebellion", "protests', "riots", "chaos", "rebellion", "violence"... not as a "civil war".
Any alternative titles are welcome. Mooonswimmer 18:53, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) - 🔥 𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 14:42, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
1997 Albanian civil unrest → 1997 Albanian rebellion – I think simply describing this event as unrest is not enough as it was a huge event, and most sources call it a rebellion, revolt or even a civil war. 1991 Iraqi uprisings is not called 1991 Iraq unrest so we should change this article’s name. Other suggestions welcome 88.240.249.238 ( talk) 22:07, 31 July 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request ( permalink). SilverLocust 💬 13:52, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
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This was not a civil war. The name of the article should be changed. Terms that could replace the current title: turmoil, crisis, riots, unrest, rebellion, anarchy. I personally prefer unrest, or civil unrest. I would like to see if there are any other ideas before making any changes. Çerçok ( talk) 23:57, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Ktrimi991:@ Çerçok: The term insurgency could be used as well. FierakuiVërtet ( talk) 12:42, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
That is totally fine with me:) Yes, @ Çerçok: you should make a move request. FierakuiVërtet ( talk) 06:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: MOVED. Hadal ( talk) 19:59, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Albanian Civil War → 1997 Albanian civil unrest – Referring to the events that took place in Albania in 1997 as a civil war is not entirely accurate. While there was widespread violence and unrest during that time, it was not an organized conflict involving organized armed groups fighting against each other for control of the government or territory. Instead, it was primarily characterized by acts of lawlessness, looting, and rioting by civilians in response to the collapse of the pyramid schemes. Even the Albanian Wiki article is not titled "Albanian Civil War". I am struggling to find reputable sources that explicitly refer to these events as the "Albanian civil war". Academics such as Oliver Schmitt, Bernd Jürgen Fischer, and Fred C. Abrahams mostly refer to as a revolt ( 1, 2) or uprising. In Abrahams' 'Modern Albania: From Dictatorship to Democracy in Europe, he states:
"Journalists and analysts have struggled to characterize Albania’s tumultuous year. Some said the north and south fought a civil war: the Ghegs of the northern highlands versus the Tosks of the southern plains. A few called it a religious dispute, although it is not clear between whom. Berisha portrayed it as a communist revolt, with help from Greece and the United States. The chaos of 1997 was not a civil war along geographic, religious, or tribal lines. Berisha enjoyed support in the north, but many northerners opposed his rule, furious at having lost their cash. Likewise, the DP had supporters in the south."
Sources such as NATO, the IMF, CNN, APNews, LeMonde, LeFigaro, The New York Times, referred/refer to it as "unrest", "revolt", "rebellion", "protests', "riots", "chaos", "rebellion", "violence"... not as a "civil war".
Any alternative titles are welcome. Mooonswimmer 18:53, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) - 🔥 𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 14:42, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
1997 Albanian civil unrest → 1997 Albanian rebellion – I think simply describing this event as unrest is not enough as it was a huge event, and most sources call it a rebellion, revolt or even a civil war. 1991 Iraqi uprisings is not called 1991 Iraq unrest so we should change this article’s name. Other suggestions welcome 88.240.249.238 ( talk) 22:07, 31 July 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request ( permalink). SilverLocust 💬 13:52, 1 August 2023 (UTC)