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Does anyone know when Gray retired from his Professorship in Creative Writing at Glasgow University? FrFintonStack 18:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
There is a newish item not listed: Fleck [1]
plus "A life in pictures" mentions numerous items of which he is illustrator. ALIP will probably elevate him to be a significant artist which is not particularly reflected in the article. (I always have loved his "adornment" of his books - ALIP re-casts my ideas, It could possibly be one of the greatest ever "Art Book"s - and hence his reputation as not just an author.)
84.93.74.120 ( talk) 19:25, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
As it is so important in Alasdair Gray's life something should be added to the the article about his tirade against English people which is causing controversy at the moment.
See the Daily Mail, 24th Dec, 2012, which has a two page article and a further news story about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.236.146 ( talk) 19:55, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to start updating and standardizing the books listed, both Gray's own and otherwise. Will use Phil Moores "An Alasdair Gray Bibliography" from Alasdair Gray: Critical Appreciations and a Bibliography.
Looking to expand the anthologies section, perhaps the collected short stories will provide original publication information. Gray's collected non-fiction, Of Me and Others may provide info on essays and non-fiction publications. The same for his theatre work; details of publications/performances may be found in the collected plays, A Gray Play Book. Anyone have access to these?
Proposed topics for future additions/expansions include:
Guysoneji ( talk) 03:17, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello all,
Yesterday I received permission from the photographer, Mark Wild, to make his Oran Mor photo CCA. I have added it to the article, and now need to figure out how to get rid of the other. The permission will be properly forwarded, here it is:
It's hardly a credit to Gray's international reputation at the moment. Any takers? -- The Huhsz ( talk) 02:22, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
I thought full dates were required in the opening sentence, by WP:MoS, for bio articles? Certainly 99.5% of the articles that I have seen have these if they are available. Martinevans123 ( talk) 16:30, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
And you thought right. Bmcln1 ( talk) 16:34, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
The opening paragraph should usually have dates of birth and (when applicable) death. These dates (specific day–month–year) are important information about the subject, but if they are also mentioned in the body, the vital year range (in brackets after the person's full name) may be sufficient to provide context.I am against unnecessary clutter, and would argue that on what is really quite a short and undeveloped article, which already gives the full dates in the infobox and in the body of the text, providing the same dates a third time clutters the lead without providing any merit to the reader. It's also a norm here that on stylistic matters (which this is), precedence is usually given to the people who actually do the work of researching and writing an article to decide. I'm still assuming good faith that the latest revert was not done by one of the participants here editing while logged-out; that would certainly be bad. If there are any arguments for using the full dates in the first sentence, other than the ones already made about a non-existent MoS provision, I am very happy to discuss them here. -- The Huhsz ( talk) 18:52, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Stating the full dates of birth & death (when known) after the name is standard, in addition to stating them in the ibox & Early life section. The lead should include the important points of the article, including DOB & DOD. There's no reason for this article to be an exception to that. Jim Michael ( talk) 21:12, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Another issue which I was lucky enough to notice; the fair-use image File:Sunday Herald front cover 4 May 2014 by Alasdair Gray.jpg of Gray's famous front cover image promoting the "yes" vote in 2014, has been proposed for deletion as violating fair use guidelines by JJMC89. Having re-reviewed WP:NFC, I think it's obvious that the image is right in the middle of WP:NFCI items 8 Iconic or historical images that are themselves the subject of sourced commentary in the article are generally appropriate. and also item 9 Images that are themselves subject of commentary. It may be that User:JJMC89 made an honest mistake, in which case I invite them to review their action. If, on the other hand, the image goes to WP:FFD, I invite all who have an opinion on the matter to voice it in the discussion. Whether or not one agrees with Gray's views about Scottish independence, the image is likely to be his most famous one in terms of how many have seen it. There are many, many reliable sources discussing the front cover, its significance as marking the first newspaper to back independence, and Gray's role in creating it. I'd be very glad to discuss the matter here in the meantime. -- The Huhsz ( talk) 18:27, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
I see we have a couple of IPs trying to edit-war undue material about Gray's supposed anti-English attitude. I think the current wording is fair. Any thoughts? The Huhsz ( talk) 16:26, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/alasdair-gray-death-age-cause-novelist-scotland-literature-art-murals-a9269331.html 3MRB1 ( talk) 00:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
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Does anyone know when Gray retired from his Professorship in Creative Writing at Glasgow University? FrFintonStack 18:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
There is a newish item not listed: Fleck [1]
plus "A life in pictures" mentions numerous items of which he is illustrator. ALIP will probably elevate him to be a significant artist which is not particularly reflected in the article. (I always have loved his "adornment" of his books - ALIP re-casts my ideas, It could possibly be one of the greatest ever "Art Book"s - and hence his reputation as not just an author.)
84.93.74.120 ( talk) 19:25, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
As it is so important in Alasdair Gray's life something should be added to the the article about his tirade against English people which is causing controversy at the moment.
See the Daily Mail, 24th Dec, 2012, which has a two page article and a further news story about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.236.146 ( talk) 19:55, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to start updating and standardizing the books listed, both Gray's own and otherwise. Will use Phil Moores "An Alasdair Gray Bibliography" from Alasdair Gray: Critical Appreciations and a Bibliography.
Looking to expand the anthologies section, perhaps the collected short stories will provide original publication information. Gray's collected non-fiction, Of Me and Others may provide info on essays and non-fiction publications. The same for his theatre work; details of publications/performances may be found in the collected plays, A Gray Play Book. Anyone have access to these?
Proposed topics for future additions/expansions include:
Guysoneji ( talk) 03:17, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello all,
Yesterday I received permission from the photographer, Mark Wild, to make his Oran Mor photo CCA. I have added it to the article, and now need to figure out how to get rid of the other. The permission will be properly forwarded, here it is:
It's hardly a credit to Gray's international reputation at the moment. Any takers? -- The Huhsz ( talk) 02:22, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
I thought full dates were required in the opening sentence, by WP:MoS, for bio articles? Certainly 99.5% of the articles that I have seen have these if they are available. Martinevans123 ( talk) 16:30, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
And you thought right. Bmcln1 ( talk) 16:34, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
The opening paragraph should usually have dates of birth and (when applicable) death. These dates (specific day–month–year) are important information about the subject, but if they are also mentioned in the body, the vital year range (in brackets after the person's full name) may be sufficient to provide context.I am against unnecessary clutter, and would argue that on what is really quite a short and undeveloped article, which already gives the full dates in the infobox and in the body of the text, providing the same dates a third time clutters the lead without providing any merit to the reader. It's also a norm here that on stylistic matters (which this is), precedence is usually given to the people who actually do the work of researching and writing an article to decide. I'm still assuming good faith that the latest revert was not done by one of the participants here editing while logged-out; that would certainly be bad. If there are any arguments for using the full dates in the first sentence, other than the ones already made about a non-existent MoS provision, I am very happy to discuss them here. -- The Huhsz ( talk) 18:52, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Stating the full dates of birth & death (when known) after the name is standard, in addition to stating them in the ibox & Early life section. The lead should include the important points of the article, including DOB & DOD. There's no reason for this article to be an exception to that. Jim Michael ( talk) 21:12, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Another issue which I was lucky enough to notice; the fair-use image File:Sunday Herald front cover 4 May 2014 by Alasdair Gray.jpg of Gray's famous front cover image promoting the "yes" vote in 2014, has been proposed for deletion as violating fair use guidelines by JJMC89. Having re-reviewed WP:NFC, I think it's obvious that the image is right in the middle of WP:NFCI items 8 Iconic or historical images that are themselves the subject of sourced commentary in the article are generally appropriate. and also item 9 Images that are themselves subject of commentary. It may be that User:JJMC89 made an honest mistake, in which case I invite them to review their action. If, on the other hand, the image goes to WP:FFD, I invite all who have an opinion on the matter to voice it in the discussion. Whether or not one agrees with Gray's views about Scottish independence, the image is likely to be his most famous one in terms of how many have seen it. There are many, many reliable sources discussing the front cover, its significance as marking the first newspaper to back independence, and Gray's role in creating it. I'd be very glad to discuss the matter here in the meantime. -- The Huhsz ( talk) 18:27, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
I see we have a couple of IPs trying to edit-war undue material about Gray's supposed anti-English attitude. I think the current wording is fair. Any thoughts? The Huhsz ( talk) 16:26, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/alasdair-gray-death-age-cause-novelist-scotland-literature-art-murals-a9269331.html 3MRB1 ( talk) 00:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)