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Postdarwin ( talk) 11:56, 14 June 2008 (UTC) Why is his first wife described as merely an 'acquaintance'?
Hello... Why are there two different methods of suicide listed here? Is it in dispute? Some of this article is pretty loose, -On the plus side there is some info here I had not read before so thanks to who ever did the work on this page. It just needs some further tending & clean up- I always liked Alan Ladd... Cheers 71.6.81.62 ( talk) 01:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
He shot himself in 1962 in a suicide attempt, but did not die of it; he later did die by an intentional overdose. I'll edit this part of the article to make it clearer. — Gavia immer ( talk) 05:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Neither has ever been proven to have been a suicide attempt. The shooting was reported *by Mr. Ladd himself* as an accident; regarding the latter, James S. Bird, the Riverside County coroner's reported it to have been from a "combination of alcohol, seconal, Librium and Sparine [which] produced together the total effects the depressants had on the central nervous system with the high level of alcohol being the major factor." Mr. Ladd did not take an unusually high dosage of any of the sedatives, which he used to combat chronic insomnia. The only reason to suspect that either was a suicide attempt stems from the supposed "implications" when the two events are looked at together. However, Ladd's biographer, Beverly Linnett, has chronicled a long list of accidents that plagued Mr. Ladd's life from his early childhood on. When viewed from this perspective, an accidental death fits neatly into a long-established pattern. Scarlottidaemon ( talk) 17:51, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Ladd has been classified under the category "Gay actors from the United States". However, I've yet to find any proof-- despite some considerable google-fu on my part-- that Ladd was gay. A few sites do say that he's gay, but they don't cite any proof, compelling or otherwise. So I'm removing it. If someone does have some proof, feel free to provide it so we can consider adding it to the article.
According to director George Cukor, Ladd was part of Hollywood's gay scene, although his statement probably doesn't meet WP:RS. (edit by 130.166.33.92, 27 Jan 2010)
A Wikipedia biography should *never* include passages about what "a lot of people thought." What "a lot of people thought" is *not* fact. It's gossip. Gossip should never be admitted in any legitimate biography. The same holds true for Mr. McGilligan's "speculation." "Speculation" is *not* fact. It's one person's thoughts on what *might* have been the case.
I recognize that it is a fact that there have been rumors concerning Mr. Ladd's sexuality. You are quite correct in stating that he was rumored to have been either gay, bisexual, or an adherent/supporter of the gay community. However, Wikipedia is *not* the proper place for you to state it. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, and concerns itself *only* with proven facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.116.247.13 ( talk) 14:52, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Why does the George Cukor article mention Ladd being gay if he wasn't? Hmm -- 98.246.156.76 ( talk) 00:08, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
is it true mr ladd was johnny adams sponsor and was to start a gim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.87.40.118 ( talk) 21:38, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
That's enough of the edit warring. If you would like edit this article, you'll need a registered account that's been auto-confirmed.
Given the on-going "debate" (ha!) here, BEFORE adding or removing claims that he was/wasn't/might have been/could not possibly have been gay, discuss the issue here, working toward a consensus.
Anyone wishing to continue the edit-warring instead is welcome to a fine selection of our endless supply of warnings and blocks. Thanks. - SummerPhD ( talk) 04:36, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
But the claim by Patrick McGilligan is part of a legitimate source. McGilligan never claimed with proof that Alan Ladd was gay. What he said was that many Hollywood insiders believed sexual questioning had to do with Ladd's insomnia and alleged suicide attempt. You can't get more definite than that about 99 percent of 1950s Hollywood performers. Liberace is a rare exception. For others from that era, such as Montgomery Clift, all you can get is a book by a major publisher that quotes publicists and other Hollywood insiders regarding what many of them believed in the 1950s.
If someone witnessed a sex act in Hollywood in the 1950s and contributes to Wikipedia, that would be original research. For such a "witness" to write a book would get a lot of attention -- Kitty Kelley proportions -- and it would have happened long ago. Books about Clift, Alan Ladd, George Cukor, etc. remain unknown to most Wikipedia editors because their authors never witnessed any sex acts, therefore they are second-hand accounts read by relatively few people. Even fewer people add citations from them to websites.
I have a Wikipedia account. The person who constantly tried to remove McGilligan's statement does not. We need to settle this dispute about whether Patrick McGilligan's account of 1950s Hollywood insiders's beliefs should become one of many such accounts on Wikipedia. Remove McGilligan from here, remove Clift, too. JohnHenryMcCullers ( talk) 17:24, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Answer: Unless 1) supported by proven facts, and 2) shown to have had a bearing on his professional career any speculation and/or rumor-mongering by Mr. McGilligan should also be removed from Mr. Clift's biography. I just perused Mr. Clift's bio, and found no trace of McGilligan there -- and, happily, no rumors regarding his sexual orientation. Scarlottidaemon ( talk) 18:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
I wish to point out the link on the main page for Alan Ladd film titles One Foot In Hell does not connect to the film page but instead connects to a music album titled One Foot In Hell and needs correcting. There is a film page for this One Foot In Hell (film). On You Tube there is a film uploaded titled Gangs Inc. (1941) starring Alan Ladd which is not listed in the Alan Ladd film titles on this Wikipedia site ? Ladd also did an episode in the TV series General Electric Theatre titled Committed in 1954 also shown on You Tube. Somebody who knows how to edit this site competently should add this in further complete the information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.54.203 ( talk) 23:33, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
On January 29, 1964, at age fifty, Alan Ladd was found dead at his Palm Springs home of an overdose of sedatives and alcohol.
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I watched movie on the GetTV network entitled "Paratrooper" (1954) with Alan Ladd
It's not in your list of his movies. Wanted to bring to your attention.
173.209.211.246 ( talk) 20:59, 7 September 2014 (UTC)Thank You, Patience C 173.209.211.246 ( talk) 20:59, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Why does this article have an entire section on his height? And why is this protected? The log said it should have expired years ago when I looked.
A statement was made that Ladd was perfectly paired with Lake because it was hard to find any other actresses shorter than Ladd. That's not factual. The majority of actresses in Hollywood at the time were statistically likely to be under 5'6", as the average height for women at the time was under 5'4". As a matter of fact, there were many, many major actresses under 5'2", Bette Davis and Judy Garland to mention only a couple among many. A Lake was probably under 5' tall, not 5'1". It would have been sufficient to state that Lake and Ladd were a good height match and leave it at that. Additionally, the Houseman comment about height should be removed due to being nonsensical and simply snotty. He's saying he knows Ladd's innermost thoughts and judgments about fellow actors, which is ridiculous. It's just hearsay and shouldn't be included. Orvwhot ( talk) 02:30, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Why is there a section of this article under 'Filmography' on 'Unmade films'?? Is there a valid reason why that section should not be deleted? And, what exactly constitutes an "unmade film", so as to warrant its listing in a movie actor's bio.? Such lists, if truly notable and worthy of inclusion as part of the biographical articles on actors in Wikipedia, could turn into almost endless listings of all sorts of failed concepts, unmade scripts, cancelled productions, etc., etc. At the very least, if someone thinks the 'Unmade Films' section of Ladd's article should be retained, then a short paragraph should be included at the beginning of the section explaining what it is exactly, that the list represents. --- Professor JR ( talk) 07:46, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
I honestly thought it would be interesting/of historical value but I'll leave it open to the Wikipedia community Dutchy85 ( talk) 00:07, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
It's unnecessary and I'm going to delete it. Jauerback dude?/ dude. 19:08, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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His film, "The Red Beret" was more latterly released as "Paratrooper". It has aired on Freeview TV on three different occasions over the last few months. The credits state that it was based on the book, "The Red Beret". It could be that this film was released in USA under this original title with "The Red Beret" kept as the British one. I think this alternative title is important to highlight because there is now a new generation of people who might be unable to make the link up. The same logic applies to Susan Stephen who starred with Alan Ladd. 79.70.53.51 ( talk) 09:42, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Mention the series "The Damon Runyon Theatre ". Alan Ladd's company produced them. Include ? Jakescows ( talk) 21:05, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
The article says he is buried at Forest Lawn. He is not buried. He is interred in a mausoleum Mercman111 ( talk) 00:55, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
I came here to add to the Talk page, rather than make an edit. Has there been any discussion that Alan Ladd was the inspiration as to how DC's Earth02 Green Lantern (the original Green Lantern actually)? I took it to be common comic book knowledge that I picked up in the 1980s reading JSA comic books and then Roy Thomas' All Star Squadron and Infinity Inc. But there is nothing here. 2600:1700:37E0:4E80:D4DE:EDB:D02C:F087 ( talk)Eric Ferguson
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Image:Veronicalake3.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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Postdarwin ( talk) 11:56, 14 June 2008 (UTC) Why is his first wife described as merely an 'acquaintance'?
Hello... Why are there two different methods of suicide listed here? Is it in dispute? Some of this article is pretty loose, -On the plus side there is some info here I had not read before so thanks to who ever did the work on this page. It just needs some further tending & clean up- I always liked Alan Ladd... Cheers 71.6.81.62 ( talk) 01:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
He shot himself in 1962 in a suicide attempt, but did not die of it; he later did die by an intentional overdose. I'll edit this part of the article to make it clearer. — Gavia immer ( talk) 05:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Neither has ever been proven to have been a suicide attempt. The shooting was reported *by Mr. Ladd himself* as an accident; regarding the latter, James S. Bird, the Riverside County coroner's reported it to have been from a "combination of alcohol, seconal, Librium and Sparine [which] produced together the total effects the depressants had on the central nervous system with the high level of alcohol being the major factor." Mr. Ladd did not take an unusually high dosage of any of the sedatives, which he used to combat chronic insomnia. The only reason to suspect that either was a suicide attempt stems from the supposed "implications" when the two events are looked at together. However, Ladd's biographer, Beverly Linnett, has chronicled a long list of accidents that plagued Mr. Ladd's life from his early childhood on. When viewed from this perspective, an accidental death fits neatly into a long-established pattern. Scarlottidaemon ( talk) 17:51, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Ladd has been classified under the category "Gay actors from the United States". However, I've yet to find any proof-- despite some considerable google-fu on my part-- that Ladd was gay. A few sites do say that he's gay, but they don't cite any proof, compelling or otherwise. So I'm removing it. If someone does have some proof, feel free to provide it so we can consider adding it to the article.
According to director George Cukor, Ladd was part of Hollywood's gay scene, although his statement probably doesn't meet WP:RS. (edit by 130.166.33.92, 27 Jan 2010)
A Wikipedia biography should *never* include passages about what "a lot of people thought." What "a lot of people thought" is *not* fact. It's gossip. Gossip should never be admitted in any legitimate biography. The same holds true for Mr. McGilligan's "speculation." "Speculation" is *not* fact. It's one person's thoughts on what *might* have been the case.
I recognize that it is a fact that there have been rumors concerning Mr. Ladd's sexuality. You are quite correct in stating that he was rumored to have been either gay, bisexual, or an adherent/supporter of the gay community. However, Wikipedia is *not* the proper place for you to state it. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, and concerns itself *only* with proven facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.116.247.13 ( talk) 14:52, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Why does the George Cukor article mention Ladd being gay if he wasn't? Hmm -- 98.246.156.76 ( talk) 00:08, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
is it true mr ladd was johnny adams sponsor and was to start a gim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.87.40.118 ( talk) 21:38, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
That's enough of the edit warring. If you would like edit this article, you'll need a registered account that's been auto-confirmed.
Given the on-going "debate" (ha!) here, BEFORE adding or removing claims that he was/wasn't/might have been/could not possibly have been gay, discuss the issue here, working toward a consensus.
Anyone wishing to continue the edit-warring instead is welcome to a fine selection of our endless supply of warnings and blocks. Thanks. - SummerPhD ( talk) 04:36, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
But the claim by Patrick McGilligan is part of a legitimate source. McGilligan never claimed with proof that Alan Ladd was gay. What he said was that many Hollywood insiders believed sexual questioning had to do with Ladd's insomnia and alleged suicide attempt. You can't get more definite than that about 99 percent of 1950s Hollywood performers. Liberace is a rare exception. For others from that era, such as Montgomery Clift, all you can get is a book by a major publisher that quotes publicists and other Hollywood insiders regarding what many of them believed in the 1950s.
If someone witnessed a sex act in Hollywood in the 1950s and contributes to Wikipedia, that would be original research. For such a "witness" to write a book would get a lot of attention -- Kitty Kelley proportions -- and it would have happened long ago. Books about Clift, Alan Ladd, George Cukor, etc. remain unknown to most Wikipedia editors because their authors never witnessed any sex acts, therefore they are second-hand accounts read by relatively few people. Even fewer people add citations from them to websites.
I have a Wikipedia account. The person who constantly tried to remove McGilligan's statement does not. We need to settle this dispute about whether Patrick McGilligan's account of 1950s Hollywood insiders's beliefs should become one of many such accounts on Wikipedia. Remove McGilligan from here, remove Clift, too. JohnHenryMcCullers ( talk) 17:24, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Answer: Unless 1) supported by proven facts, and 2) shown to have had a bearing on his professional career any speculation and/or rumor-mongering by Mr. McGilligan should also be removed from Mr. Clift's biography. I just perused Mr. Clift's bio, and found no trace of McGilligan there -- and, happily, no rumors regarding his sexual orientation. Scarlottidaemon ( talk) 18:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
I wish to point out the link on the main page for Alan Ladd film titles One Foot In Hell does not connect to the film page but instead connects to a music album titled One Foot In Hell and needs correcting. There is a film page for this One Foot In Hell (film). On You Tube there is a film uploaded titled Gangs Inc. (1941) starring Alan Ladd which is not listed in the Alan Ladd film titles on this Wikipedia site ? Ladd also did an episode in the TV series General Electric Theatre titled Committed in 1954 also shown on You Tube. Somebody who knows how to edit this site competently should add this in further complete the information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.54.203 ( talk) 23:33, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
On January 29, 1964, at age fifty, Alan Ladd was found dead at his Palm Springs home of an overdose of sedatives and alcohol.
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I watched movie on the GetTV network entitled "Paratrooper" (1954) with Alan Ladd
It's not in your list of his movies. Wanted to bring to your attention.
173.209.211.246 ( talk) 20:59, 7 September 2014 (UTC)Thank You, Patience C 173.209.211.246 ( talk) 20:59, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Why does this article have an entire section on his height? And why is this protected? The log said it should have expired years ago when I looked.
A statement was made that Ladd was perfectly paired with Lake because it was hard to find any other actresses shorter than Ladd. That's not factual. The majority of actresses in Hollywood at the time were statistically likely to be under 5'6", as the average height for women at the time was under 5'4". As a matter of fact, there were many, many major actresses under 5'2", Bette Davis and Judy Garland to mention only a couple among many. A Lake was probably under 5' tall, not 5'1". It would have been sufficient to state that Lake and Ladd were a good height match and leave it at that. Additionally, the Houseman comment about height should be removed due to being nonsensical and simply snotty. He's saying he knows Ladd's innermost thoughts and judgments about fellow actors, which is ridiculous. It's just hearsay and shouldn't be included. Orvwhot ( talk) 02:30, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Why is there a section of this article under 'Filmography' on 'Unmade films'?? Is there a valid reason why that section should not be deleted? And, what exactly constitutes an "unmade film", so as to warrant its listing in a movie actor's bio.? Such lists, if truly notable and worthy of inclusion as part of the biographical articles on actors in Wikipedia, could turn into almost endless listings of all sorts of failed concepts, unmade scripts, cancelled productions, etc., etc. At the very least, if someone thinks the 'Unmade Films' section of Ladd's article should be retained, then a short paragraph should be included at the beginning of the section explaining what it is exactly, that the list represents. --- Professor JR ( talk) 07:46, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
I honestly thought it would be interesting/of historical value but I'll leave it open to the Wikipedia community Dutchy85 ( talk) 00:07, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
It's unnecessary and I'm going to delete it. Jauerback dude?/ dude. 19:08, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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His film, "The Red Beret" was more latterly released as "Paratrooper". It has aired on Freeview TV on three different occasions over the last few months. The credits state that it was based on the book, "The Red Beret". It could be that this film was released in USA under this original title with "The Red Beret" kept as the British one. I think this alternative title is important to highlight because there is now a new generation of people who might be unable to make the link up. The same logic applies to Susan Stephen who starred with Alan Ladd. 79.70.53.51 ( talk) 09:42, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Mention the series "The Damon Runyon Theatre ". Alan Ladd's company produced them. Include ? Jakescows ( talk) 21:05, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
The article says he is buried at Forest Lawn. He is not buried. He is interred in a mausoleum Mercman111 ( talk) 00:55, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
I came here to add to the Talk page, rather than make an edit. Has there been any discussion that Alan Ladd was the inspiration as to how DC's Earth02 Green Lantern (the original Green Lantern actually)? I took it to be common comic book knowledge that I picked up in the 1980s reading JSA comic books and then Roy Thomas' All Star Squadron and Infinity Inc. But there is nothing here. 2600:1700:37E0:4E80:D4DE:EDB:D02C:F087 ( talk)Eric Ferguson