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Before now, was final para of lead:
The site claimed to have broken a taboo by allowing criticism in studios of Arab rulers that was heard without censorship but did not express a demand for the rights of minorities in Qatar or support for democracy and freedom of expression in Qatar itself. [1]
References
- ^ "זכויות אדם - אבל לא בקטר: מה מסתתר מאחורי שידורי אל ג'זירה?". כאן-תאגיד השידור הישראלי (in Hebrew). Retrieved 2022-06-17.
The site? I don't what that is, but apparently it's in the claiming business of broken taboos.
"studios"? What is that trying to say, in English this time?
After the claiming business, we're making a list of things not expressed, potentially a very long list, but we seemed to have focused on just two items, for undeclared reason.
And the cite is in Hebrew, which did not support further investigation. — MaxEnt 23:00, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
slaam. If you able to come to our country Afghanistan and see it's economice and culture stations it's well be good for us. 23.88.196.208 ( talk) 12:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
I think this is something that is due to include from the lead, especially as this article is specifically about the Arabic news channel, and not the English one. As the BBC has noted in 2019
[1]: Al Jazeera English is known to audiences worldwide for its varied coverage, which often sheds light on underreported stories. But its reporting - which only occasionally hints at the affiliations of its Qatari owners - comes in stark contrast to Al Jazeera Arabic. AJA's obvious stance on key regional crises and rivalries heavily colours its output. Its friendly coverage of Islamist groups - particularly favouring those aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood - came to the fore particularly with the 2011 uprisings in the region. Some of its correspondents have adopted a still harder line. In 2015, prominent anchor Ahmed Mansour offered a sympathetic account of the activities of al-Qaeda's Syria affiliate in a lengthy interview with its leader.
Hemiauchenia
I've come around to agreeing with this. I think that even for Al Jazeera Arabic, many of the sources complaining about its bias are partisan (except the BBC, but this is only a single source) and is better discussed in the body. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 21:56, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Also, basically all of references of this lead sentence Al Jazeera is known for its independent and in-depth reporting, particularly in conflict zones. It has been praised for its in-depth coverage of events such as the
Arab Spring, the
Gaza–Israel conflict, and others.
[1]
[2]
[3]Al Jazeera's coverage of the Arab Spring won the network numerous awards, including the
Peabody Award.
[4]
are specifically about Al Jazeera English and not about Al Jazeera Arabic.
Hemiauchenia (
talk)
13:50, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
References
The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. There is an unanimous support to move the article as proposed. As for the base title, there is no consensus on where it should be redirected to.
There are several points to note:
As such, invoking WP:BARTENDER and drawing on the parallel discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Al_Jazeera, turning the base name into a disambiguation page as proposed for the time being will allow us to:
Another discussion can be reopened in the future to determine if the dab page should remain a dab page at the base name or be moved to the disambiguation parenthetical a primary redirect, after traffic is stable enough for analysis, as well as analysis of sources to help determine the primary topic. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 16:02, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Al Jazeera → Al Jazeera Arabic – Most english speakers are primarily familiar with Al Jazeera English, often simply known as "Al Jazeera", and the title of this article is therefore confusing, as noted at Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Al_Jazeera. I think a disambiguator like this is therefore necessary. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 13:27, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
|website=[[Haaretz]]
. But that's because I believe that the parent company attempts to keep the two sites editorially similar, while Al Jazeera Arabic and English apparently diverge. Sorry if this comment is going too far afield. —
Anomalocaris (
talk)
07:38, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Given that this article is specifically about the Arabic section of the organisation, should we cover the international expansion of the group into other languages, as is currently done in Al_Jazeera#Expansion? Hemiauchenia ( talk) 06:52, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Following the above RM, the disambiguation page Al Jazeera now has broken links in 6,340 articles. (For comparison, the next 100 most-linked dabs have 892 bad links in total.) Any help with fixing the damage would be appreciated. Certes ( talk) 18:11, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
<ref>{{Cite news |date=2022-04-02 |title=Almost 300 buried in mass grave in Bucha, near Kyiv: Mayor |language=en |work=[[Al Jazeera English|Al Jazeera]] |url=https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/2/almost-300-buried-in-mass-grave-in-bucha-near-kyiv-mayor |access-date=2022-04-03}}</ref> Natg 19 ( talk) 01:51, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
https://e.walla.co.il/item/3622819 He said they were at hospital. He did not let him speak. 2.55.185.80 ( talk) 17:43, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
There is a Discussion going on to challenge aljazeera is a reliable source or not at the WP:RSN Al Jazeera. Gsgdd ( talk) 22:58, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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Archive 1 | ← | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 |
Before now, was final para of lead:
The site claimed to have broken a taboo by allowing criticism in studios of Arab rulers that was heard without censorship but did not express a demand for the rights of minorities in Qatar or support for democracy and freedom of expression in Qatar itself. [1]
References
- ^ "זכויות אדם - אבל לא בקטר: מה מסתתר מאחורי שידורי אל ג'זירה?". כאן-תאגיד השידור הישראלי (in Hebrew). Retrieved 2022-06-17.
The site? I don't what that is, but apparently it's in the claiming business of broken taboos.
"studios"? What is that trying to say, in English this time?
After the claiming business, we're making a list of things not expressed, potentially a very long list, but we seemed to have focused on just two items, for undeclared reason.
And the cite is in Hebrew, which did not support further investigation. — MaxEnt 23:00, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
slaam. If you able to come to our country Afghanistan and see it's economice and culture stations it's well be good for us. 23.88.196.208 ( talk) 12:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
I think this is something that is due to include from the lead, especially as this article is specifically about the Arabic news channel, and not the English one. As the BBC has noted in 2019
[1]: Al Jazeera English is known to audiences worldwide for its varied coverage, which often sheds light on underreported stories. But its reporting - which only occasionally hints at the affiliations of its Qatari owners - comes in stark contrast to Al Jazeera Arabic. AJA's obvious stance on key regional crises and rivalries heavily colours its output. Its friendly coverage of Islamist groups - particularly favouring those aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood - came to the fore particularly with the 2011 uprisings in the region. Some of its correspondents have adopted a still harder line. In 2015, prominent anchor Ahmed Mansour offered a sympathetic account of the activities of al-Qaeda's Syria affiliate in a lengthy interview with its leader.
Hemiauchenia
I've come around to agreeing with this. I think that even for Al Jazeera Arabic, many of the sources complaining about its bias are partisan (except the BBC, but this is only a single source) and is better discussed in the body. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 21:56, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Also, basically all of references of this lead sentence Al Jazeera is known for its independent and in-depth reporting, particularly in conflict zones. It has been praised for its in-depth coverage of events such as the
Arab Spring, the
Gaza–Israel conflict, and others.
[1]
[2]
[3]Al Jazeera's coverage of the Arab Spring won the network numerous awards, including the
Peabody Award.
[4]
are specifically about Al Jazeera English and not about Al Jazeera Arabic.
Hemiauchenia (
talk)
13:50, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
References
The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. There is an unanimous support to move the article as proposed. As for the base title, there is no consensus on where it should be redirected to.
There are several points to note:
As such, invoking WP:BARTENDER and drawing on the parallel discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Al_Jazeera, turning the base name into a disambiguation page as proposed for the time being will allow us to:
Another discussion can be reopened in the future to determine if the dab page should remain a dab page at the base name or be moved to the disambiguation parenthetical a primary redirect, after traffic is stable enough for analysis, as well as analysis of sources to help determine the primary topic. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 16:02, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Al Jazeera → Al Jazeera Arabic – Most english speakers are primarily familiar with Al Jazeera English, often simply known as "Al Jazeera", and the title of this article is therefore confusing, as noted at Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Al_Jazeera. I think a disambiguator like this is therefore necessary. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 13:27, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
|website=[[Haaretz]]
. But that's because I believe that the parent company attempts to keep the two sites editorially similar, while Al Jazeera Arabic and English apparently diverge. Sorry if this comment is going too far afield. —
Anomalocaris (
talk)
07:38, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Given that this article is specifically about the Arabic section of the organisation, should we cover the international expansion of the group into other languages, as is currently done in Al_Jazeera#Expansion? Hemiauchenia ( talk) 06:52, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Following the above RM, the disambiguation page Al Jazeera now has broken links in 6,340 articles. (For comparison, the next 100 most-linked dabs have 892 bad links in total.) Any help with fixing the damage would be appreciated. Certes ( talk) 18:11, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
<ref>{{Cite news |date=2022-04-02 |title=Almost 300 buried in mass grave in Bucha, near Kyiv: Mayor |language=en |work=[[Al Jazeera English|Al Jazeera]] |url=https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/2/almost-300-buried-in-mass-grave-in-bucha-near-kyiv-mayor |access-date=2022-04-03}}</ref> Natg 19 ( talk) 01:51, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
https://e.walla.co.il/item/3622819 He said they were at hospital. He did not let him speak. 2.55.185.80 ( talk) 17:43, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
There is a Discussion going on to challenge aljazeera is a reliable source or not at the WP:RSN Al Jazeera. Gsgdd ( talk) 22:58, 16 November 2023 (UTC)