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another uploaded image from Kitab al-Tasrif can be found here Image:Zahrawi1.png. ITAQALLAH 12:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems to be the same than Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (936 - 1013), even if the births don't match. Precise birth and death of Abu al-Qasim are not sure and he is also famous to have found some internal medical examinations. TCY 13:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
how are his instruments different than these? http://www.hsl.virginia.edu/historical/artifacts/roman_surgical/ J8079s ( talk) 01:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
In the first paragraph, it doesn't mention his ethnicity as "Arab" like on other pages about influencial/historical people. There's no contest on ethnicity here as it mentions his origin multiple times throughout the article - so this is just am article template minor edit. Pink Princess ( talk) 02:54, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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help)some of the instruments and technices do not appear in the works of earlier writers and may be regarded as original or in common practice at the time al-Zahrawi makes no claim of invention, he does call on his years of experience as a surgeon and a lot of the teaching of the ancients whom he cites by name. J8079s ( talk) 05:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
The needle is attested in medicine well before al-Zahrawi Prioreschi, Plinio (2002). A History of Medicine. Horatius Press. p. 240. ISBN 9781888456011. Retrieved 23 May 2011. you need to check your source (it is possible that al- Zahrawi describes a new kind of needle is that what your source is saying?) if so you need to quote it accurately. as written The [[surgical suture|surgical needle]] was invented and described by Abū al-Qāsim in his ''Al-Tasrif''.<ref name=Makki>A. I. Makki. "Needles & Pins", ''AlShindagah'' '''68''', January–February 2006.</ref> its not acceptable. J8079s ( talk) 07:44, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Al-Tasrif was an encyclopedia of medicne and modern surgery, a portion of the encyclopedia devoted to surgery was published seperately and became the first independent illustrated work on the subject. It contained illustrations of a remarkable array of surgical instruments, which incuded medical needles for suturing wounds, and described the operations of fractures, dislocations, bladder stone, gangrene and other conditions. Al-Zahrawi's work was later translated by Guy de Chauliac, one of the greatest surgeons of medieval times, and in this manner, it found its way into the different libraries of Europe. His book replaced Paul of Aegina's "Epitiome," - which was used as a standard work for surgery in Europe - and it remained as the most used book on surgery for the next five hundred years. ( "Needles & Pins", A. I. Makki, Al-Shindagah, January/February 2006. Misspellings as in the original.)
Arabic refers to the language; Arab refers to the people or culture. "Arabic medicine" implies medical texts written in the Arabic language, which may be written by non-Arabs. https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/17/arab-arabic-arabian/ Mpaniello ( talk) 16:27, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
As is usual for 'father of' claims, none of the sources used in the current revision for the bombastic claim that al-Zahrawi was "the father of surgery" are actual experts on al-Zahrawi or medieval medicine, which renders this completely outdated Whig history / Great Men type of claim wp:undue. I will therefore remove it from the article in my next edit. ☿ Apaugasma ( talk ☉) 22:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Presentation in topics form 37.111.168.66 ( talk) 01:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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another uploaded image from Kitab al-Tasrif can be found here Image:Zahrawi1.png. ITAQALLAH 12:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems to be the same than Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (936 - 1013), even if the births don't match. Precise birth and death of Abu al-Qasim are not sure and he is also famous to have found some internal medical examinations. TCY 13:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
how are his instruments different than these? http://www.hsl.virginia.edu/historical/artifacts/roman_surgical/ J8079s ( talk) 01:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
In the first paragraph, it doesn't mention his ethnicity as "Arab" like on other pages about influencial/historical people. There's no contest on ethnicity here as it mentions his origin multiple times throughout the article - so this is just am article template minor edit. Pink Princess ( talk) 02:54, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
70.134.48.134 ( talk) 08:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
This article has been edited by a user who is known to have misused sources to unduly promote certain views (see WP:Jagged 85 cleanup). Examination of the sources used by this editor often reveals that the sources have been selectively interpreted or blatantly misrepresented, going beyond any reasonable interpretation of the authors' intent.
Diffs for each edit made by Jagged 85 are listed at Cleanup4. It may be easier to view the full history of the article.
A script has been used to generate the following summary. Each item is a diff showing the result of several consecutive edits to the article by Jagged 85, in chronological order.
Johnuniq ( talk) 11:30, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
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cite book}}
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help)some of the instruments and technices do not appear in the works of earlier writers and may be regarded as original or in common practice at the time al-Zahrawi makes no claim of invention, he does call on his years of experience as a surgeon and a lot of the teaching of the ancients whom he cites by name. J8079s ( talk) 05:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
The needle is attested in medicine well before al-Zahrawi Prioreschi, Plinio (2002). A History of Medicine. Horatius Press. p. 240. ISBN 9781888456011. Retrieved 23 May 2011. you need to check your source (it is possible that al- Zahrawi describes a new kind of needle is that what your source is saying?) if so you need to quote it accurately. as written The [[surgical suture|surgical needle]] was invented and described by Abū al-Qāsim in his ''Al-Tasrif''.<ref name=Makki>A. I. Makki. "Needles & Pins", ''AlShindagah'' '''68''', January–February 2006.</ref> its not acceptable. J8079s ( talk) 07:44, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Al-Tasrif was an encyclopedia of medicne and modern surgery, a portion of the encyclopedia devoted to surgery was published seperately and became the first independent illustrated work on the subject. It contained illustrations of a remarkable array of surgical instruments, which incuded medical needles for suturing wounds, and described the operations of fractures, dislocations, bladder stone, gangrene and other conditions. Al-Zahrawi's work was later translated by Guy de Chauliac, one of the greatest surgeons of medieval times, and in this manner, it found its way into the different libraries of Europe. His book replaced Paul of Aegina's "Epitiome," - which was used as a standard work for surgery in Europe - and it remained as the most used book on surgery for the next five hundred years. ( "Needles & Pins", A. I. Makki, Al-Shindagah, January/February 2006. Misspellings as in the original.)
Arabic refers to the language; Arab refers to the people or culture. "Arabic medicine" implies medical texts written in the Arabic language, which may be written by non-Arabs. https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/17/arab-arabic-arabian/ Mpaniello ( talk) 16:27, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
As is usual for 'father of' claims, none of the sources used in the current revision for the bombastic claim that al-Zahrawi was "the father of surgery" are actual experts on al-Zahrawi or medieval medicine, which renders this completely outdated Whig history / Great Men type of claim wp:undue. I will therefore remove it from the article in my next edit. ☿ Apaugasma ( talk ☉) 22:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Presentation in topics form 37.111.168.66 ( talk) 01:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)