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In this case, since the male form of the Arabic word for God gets its own page - Allah - it seems appropriate that the female form appear as Allat, not as Al-Lat. Manah doesn't appear as al-Manah, nor Uzza as al-Uzza, nor do other words, so if the word is parsed as a single form, then it should remain in that form.
By that logic, the name of the goddes should simply be written as Lat. I dont see any relevance here for using "Al" here either. Either that or all pagan arab dieties should be referred with the article "AL".
Hi, I would like to see the academic sources which explain the relation of the root origin of Al-Lat as al-ilahat. The "t" sound at the end of Lat as far as I know coomes from the arabic alphabet "teth" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teth. Where as the "t" sound in ilahat is a lingual-dental voiceless sound similar to "lah" in Allah. Further if Allah is shortened form of Al-Ilaha meaning "the God" then short form of Al-Ilahat shouldve been Allahat not Allat. Besides there is no historical or etymological roots connecting both, neither does Lat predate or was ever considered equivalent of Allah. I am changing the article back to the uncontroversial, until you submit proof. Thanks. Omerlives
See! I hate people who take the religious texts of religions and make it out of context!
This is what verse 53:20 is:
The pagan gods of Arabia [53.19-24]
[53.19] (Among the idols) have you considered allat and al'uzza,
[53.20] and, another, the third manat?
[53.21] What, have you males, and He females!
[53.22] That is indeed an unjust division.
[53.23] They are but names, named by you and your fathers. Allah has not sent
down any authority for them. They follow conjecture and their soul's desire, even
though the guidance of their Lord has come to them.
[53.24] Is the human to have whatever he fancies?
The NPOV is completely out of control! She was a Pre-Islamic Goddes. So that tells you that the referance to the Quran isn't right, nor needed! You could find out about Allat and Uzza and Manat from old meccan scripture that date before 500 AD, This should be deleted! --
Obaidz96 (
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01:11, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Can You please, what does mean "suspect" with respect to the sources, especially with Gaston Maspero?
What is wrong in the following text?
Allat (Arabic: اللَّات) was a Sumerian [1] and Semiticn goddess, the queen of the dark kingdom [2]. She was also worshipped by pre-Islamic Arabs.
Allat in Chaldean mythology Chaldean legend [3]tells us that Allat had solely rulled in the hell. Once, other gods invited her to the party that they had organised in the heaven. Due to her photophobia she refused, and sent a messenger, Namtar, her servant. His behaviour had infuriated Anu and Ea, and their anger was turned against his mistress. They sent Nergal to punish her. He pulled the queen by her hair from the throne, in order to decapitate her, but her prayers for mercy stopped him, and Nergal had made Allat her wife.
Other legends make her a sister of Astarte.
Voldemar69 ( talk) 07:06, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
"Allat" isn't mentioned anywhere. It's not at all the feminine of الله: the feminine of allah is اللت The corect form, so is Al-Lât, as mentionned in Encyclopedia Brittanica and every university approuved Quran translation. I thought that wikipedia was an encyclopedy. It's a hideout of christian apologist terrorists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yosef.sonnenfeld ( talk • contribs) 07:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Per the first line of this article (al-Lāt), and just like Al-‘Uzzá, the name of this article should be Al-Lāt, and not Al-lāt. Seraj ( talk) 14:49, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Al-Lat — — Amakuru ( talk) 06:30, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Al-lāt →
Allat – Standard English-language references use Allat, which is also used within the article text. It would also be consistent with Wikipedia's treatment of Allah, which is not hyphenated, and Elat, the north Semitic equivalent of the name. Most English speakers cannot type macrons in the search window. Thus, Allat is the simplest, most neutral form, and the easiest to type in the search window. The move could not be performed due to a pre-existing redirect.
P Aculeius (
talk)
20:42, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Conclusion (for the closing admin): there is a consensus for moving this article to Al-Lat. Eperoton ( talk) 14:41, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
From the [ Akkadian Dictionary]:
-tu being the feminine ending in Akkadian, and -t being the ending in Egyptian as well. Even the article Ilah states "there is no ʾilāh but al-Lāh". Add a t, have a Goddess. Highly disputed by whom?
The link to Elat goes to a redirect to the entry for Eliat, the modern city. That page seems to have no direct connection to the named deity (the name derives from the work for pistachio, not from El). Is this pointer in error? 2620:0:1000:1103:159A:507B:3BF5:74E0 ( talk) 20:12, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
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Allah (/ˈæl.lə, ˈɑːl.lə, əˈl.lɑː/; Arabic: الله, Allāh, IPA: [ʔaɫ.ɫaːh]) is the common Arabic word for God, often used to refer to God in Islam. The term is believed to be derived from the contraction of (al-ilāh), Al means "the" and ilah means "god." It is linguistically related to Aramaic words like Elah, Syriac ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ (ʼAlāhā), and the Hebrew word El (Elohim) for God.
The word Allah has been used by Arabic people of different religions since pre-Islamic times. The pre-Islamic Arabs worshipped a supreme deity whom they called Allah, alongside other lesser deities.
Allah has been used as a term for God by Muslims (both Arab and non-Arab), Judaeo-Arabic-speaking Jews, and Arab Christians after the term "al-ilāh" and "Allah" were used interchangeably in Classical Arabic by the majority of Arabs who had become Muslims.
When Muhammad wanted to spread the concept of one God, He told the people that the idols they considered or called Allah were not the true Allah.
It's important to note that the idol was not named 'Allah,' but people considered or called it Allah."
When Muhammad conquered Mecca, he shattered all idols in the Kaaba, clarifying to the people that the idols they considered Allah were not the true deity.
And Those who associate partners with Allah are referred to as "Mushrikin.
And second that the term "Al-Lat" (Arabic: اللات, romanized: al-Lat, pronounced [alːaːt]) refers to a pre-Islamic Arabian goddess, also spelled as Allat, Allatu, and Alilat.
Alilat" breaks down into "Al," meaning "the," and "ilat," representing her name. Likewise, "Allatu" consists of "Al," indicating "the," and "latu," reflecting her name — Preceding unsigned comment added by David432ttpon ( talk • contribs) 18:41, 31 December 2023 (UTC) David432ttpon ( talk) 18:47, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
you are wrong in starting, Let's focus on Allah, not Alilat; these are distinct topics.
The term 'mushrik' is of Arabic origin and does not originate after Islam."
Our topic is 👇 Some people, particularly in pre- Islamic Arabian culture, held beliefs that Allah had daughters, known as "Al-Lat," "Al-Uzza," and "Manat.
It's important to note that the idol was not named 'Allah,' but people considered or called it Allah."
The term "Allah" has been used by Muslims (both Arab and non-Arab), Judaeo-Arabic-speaking Jews, and Arab Christians, reflecting its historical and linguistic connections. However, pre-Islam, pagans also used the word "Allah" for idols, leading to differing perspectives among Christians and Jews who considered it associated with polytheism.
A poem by the pre-Islamic monotheist Zayd ibn Amr mentions al-Lat, along with al-'Uzza and Hubal.
Am I to worship one lord or a thousand? If there are as many as you claim, I renounce al-Lat and al-Uzza, both of them, as any strong-minded person would. I will not worship al-Uzza and her two daughters... I will not worship Hubal, though he was our lord in the days when I had little sense.
What Allah say in Quran from the verse, 53:19-23.
Now, have you considered 'the idols of Lât and 'Uzza," "And the third one, Manât, as well?" "Do you prefer to have sons while 'you attribute' to Him daughters?" "Then this is truly' a biased distribution! These idols' are mere names that you and your forefathers have made up-a practice Allah has never authorized." "They follow nothing but 'inherited' assumptions and whatever 'their souls desire, although 'true' guidance has already come to them from their Lord.
When Muhammad wanted to spread the concept of one God, He told the people that the idols they considered or called Allah were not the true Allah.
When Muhammad conquered Mecca, he shattered all idols in the Kaaba, clarifying to the people that the idols they considered Allah were not the true deity.
Now lets talk about alilat or al- lat also spelled as Allat, Allatu.
Al" means "the," and "ilat" or "lat" refers to her name in the case of Alilat. Similarly, "Al" means "the," and "latu" is her name in the case of Allatu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David432ttpon ( talk • contribs) 06:34, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
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Please discuss before moving whole pages.
In this case, since the male form of the Arabic word for God gets its own page - Allah - it seems appropriate that the female form appear as Allat, not as Al-Lat. Manah doesn't appear as al-Manah, nor Uzza as al-Uzza, nor do other words, so if the word is parsed as a single form, then it should remain in that form.
By that logic, the name of the goddes should simply be written as Lat. I dont see any relevance here for using "Al" here either. Either that or all pagan arab dieties should be referred with the article "AL".
Hi, I would like to see the academic sources which explain the relation of the root origin of Al-Lat as al-ilahat. The "t" sound at the end of Lat as far as I know coomes from the arabic alphabet "teth" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teth. Where as the "t" sound in ilahat is a lingual-dental voiceless sound similar to "lah" in Allah. Further if Allah is shortened form of Al-Ilaha meaning "the God" then short form of Al-Ilahat shouldve been Allahat not Allat. Besides there is no historical or etymological roots connecting both, neither does Lat predate or was ever considered equivalent of Allah. I am changing the article back to the uncontroversial, until you submit proof. Thanks. Omerlives
See! I hate people who take the religious texts of religions and make it out of context!
This is what verse 53:20 is:
The pagan gods of Arabia [53.19-24]
[53.19] (Among the idols) have you considered allat and al'uzza,
[53.20] and, another, the third manat?
[53.21] What, have you males, and He females!
[53.22] That is indeed an unjust division.
[53.23] They are but names, named by you and your fathers. Allah has not sent
down any authority for them. They follow conjecture and their soul's desire, even
though the guidance of their Lord has come to them.
[53.24] Is the human to have whatever he fancies?
The NPOV is completely out of control! She was a Pre-Islamic Goddes. So that tells you that the referance to the Quran isn't right, nor needed! You could find out about Allat and Uzza and Manat from old meccan scripture that date before 500 AD, This should be deleted! --
Obaidz96 (
talk •
contribs •
count)
01:11, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Can You please, what does mean "suspect" with respect to the sources, especially with Gaston Maspero?
What is wrong in the following text?
Allat (Arabic: اللَّات) was a Sumerian [1] and Semiticn goddess, the queen of the dark kingdom [2]. She was also worshipped by pre-Islamic Arabs.
Allat in Chaldean mythology Chaldean legend [3]tells us that Allat had solely rulled in the hell. Once, other gods invited her to the party that they had organised in the heaven. Due to her photophobia she refused, and sent a messenger, Namtar, her servant. His behaviour had infuriated Anu and Ea, and their anger was turned against his mistress. They sent Nergal to punish her. He pulled the queen by her hair from the throne, in order to decapitate her, but her prayers for mercy stopped him, and Nergal had made Allat her wife.
Other legends make her a sister of Astarte.
Voldemar69 ( talk) 07:06, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
"Allat" isn't mentioned anywhere. It's not at all the feminine of الله: the feminine of allah is اللت The corect form, so is Al-Lât, as mentionned in Encyclopedia Brittanica and every university approuved Quran translation. I thought that wikipedia was an encyclopedy. It's a hideout of christian apologist terrorists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yosef.sonnenfeld ( talk • contribs) 07:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Per the first line of this article (al-Lāt), and just like Al-‘Uzzá, the name of this article should be Al-Lāt, and not Al-lāt. Seraj ( talk) 14:49, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Al-Lat — — Amakuru ( talk) 06:30, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Al-lāt →
Allat – Standard English-language references use Allat, which is also used within the article text. It would also be consistent with Wikipedia's treatment of Allah, which is not hyphenated, and Elat, the north Semitic equivalent of the name. Most English speakers cannot type macrons in the search window. Thus, Allat is the simplest, most neutral form, and the easiest to type in the search window. The move could not be performed due to a pre-existing redirect.
P Aculeius (
talk)
20:42, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Conclusion (for the closing admin): there is a consensus for moving this article to Al-Lat. Eperoton ( talk) 14:41, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
From the [ Akkadian Dictionary]:
-tu being the feminine ending in Akkadian, and -t being the ending in Egyptian as well. Even the article Ilah states "there is no ʾilāh but al-Lāh". Add a t, have a Goddess. Highly disputed by whom?
The link to Elat goes to a redirect to the entry for Eliat, the modern city. That page seems to have no direct connection to the named deity (the name derives from the work for pistachio, not from El). Is this pointer in error? 2620:0:1000:1103:159A:507B:3BF5:74E0 ( talk) 20:12, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
-- 31.150.176.35 ( talk) 19:58, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
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Allah (/ˈæl.lə, ˈɑːl.lə, əˈl.lɑː/; Arabic: الله, Allāh, IPA: [ʔaɫ.ɫaːh]) is the common Arabic word for God, often used to refer to God in Islam. The term is believed to be derived from the contraction of (al-ilāh), Al means "the" and ilah means "god." It is linguistically related to Aramaic words like Elah, Syriac ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ (ʼAlāhā), and the Hebrew word El (Elohim) for God.
The word Allah has been used by Arabic people of different religions since pre-Islamic times. The pre-Islamic Arabs worshipped a supreme deity whom they called Allah, alongside other lesser deities.
Allah has been used as a term for God by Muslims (both Arab and non-Arab), Judaeo-Arabic-speaking Jews, and Arab Christians after the term "al-ilāh" and "Allah" were used interchangeably in Classical Arabic by the majority of Arabs who had become Muslims.
When Muhammad wanted to spread the concept of one God, He told the people that the idols they considered or called Allah were not the true Allah.
It's important to note that the idol was not named 'Allah,' but people considered or called it Allah."
When Muhammad conquered Mecca, he shattered all idols in the Kaaba, clarifying to the people that the idols they considered Allah were not the true deity.
And Those who associate partners with Allah are referred to as "Mushrikin.
And second that the term "Al-Lat" (Arabic: اللات, romanized: al-Lat, pronounced [alːaːt]) refers to a pre-Islamic Arabian goddess, also spelled as Allat, Allatu, and Alilat.
Alilat" breaks down into "Al," meaning "the," and "ilat," representing her name. Likewise, "Allatu" consists of "Al," indicating "the," and "latu," reflecting her name — Preceding unsigned comment added by David432ttpon ( talk • contribs) 18:41, 31 December 2023 (UTC) David432ttpon ( talk) 18:47, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
you are wrong in starting, Let's focus on Allah, not Alilat; these are distinct topics.
The term 'mushrik' is of Arabic origin and does not originate after Islam."
Our topic is 👇 Some people, particularly in pre- Islamic Arabian culture, held beliefs that Allah had daughters, known as "Al-Lat," "Al-Uzza," and "Manat.
It's important to note that the idol was not named 'Allah,' but people considered or called it Allah."
The term "Allah" has been used by Muslims (both Arab and non-Arab), Judaeo-Arabic-speaking Jews, and Arab Christians, reflecting its historical and linguistic connections. However, pre-Islam, pagans also used the word "Allah" for idols, leading to differing perspectives among Christians and Jews who considered it associated with polytheism.
A poem by the pre-Islamic monotheist Zayd ibn Amr mentions al-Lat, along with al-'Uzza and Hubal.
Am I to worship one lord or a thousand? If there are as many as you claim, I renounce al-Lat and al-Uzza, both of them, as any strong-minded person would. I will not worship al-Uzza and her two daughters... I will not worship Hubal, though he was our lord in the days when I had little sense.
What Allah say in Quran from the verse, 53:19-23.
Now, have you considered 'the idols of Lât and 'Uzza," "And the third one, Manât, as well?" "Do you prefer to have sons while 'you attribute' to Him daughters?" "Then this is truly' a biased distribution! These idols' are mere names that you and your forefathers have made up-a practice Allah has never authorized." "They follow nothing but 'inherited' assumptions and whatever 'their souls desire, although 'true' guidance has already come to them from their Lord.
When Muhammad wanted to spread the concept of one God, He told the people that the idols they considered or called Allah were not the true Allah.
When Muhammad conquered Mecca, he shattered all idols in the Kaaba, clarifying to the people that the idols they considered Allah were not the true deity.
Now lets talk about alilat or al- lat also spelled as Allat, Allatu.
Al" means "the," and "ilat" or "lat" refers to her name in the case of Alilat. Similarly, "Al" means "the," and "latu" is her name in the case of Allatu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David432ttpon ( talk • contribs) 06:34, 1 January 2024 (UTC)