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This king is most definitely not gay. This is yet another attempt at distorting history. Please remove all these references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.44.111.113 ( talk) 00:10, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Why did you delete my Change?
You must respect the other point of view!!!
there are not such information in Arabic sources. Arab historians did not mention it. Readers should know it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.65.238.165 ( talk) 19:41, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
We are talking about Muslim Arab governor. In the sense that old Arab and Muslim historians must be the first historians that talking about it. If we were talking about the Roman governor, for example, certainly it would be more reliable Roman historians to speak about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.65.238.165 ( talk) 00:08, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
And readers will decide where the truth. At least let the following statement (according to European sources) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.65.238.165 ( talk) 00:11, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
The IP sounds like they just don't like what reliable sources state and are here to right great wrongs and show their version of the truth.
Uh, no. That is original research. -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 21:26, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
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This seems to be a claim made by Évariste Lévi-Provençal in 1944. Recent sources do not treat it as fact, with the exception of "history of homosexuality" type of sources that cite Lévi-Provençal. Moreover, the most extensive study of Subh that I'm aware of, which includes a thorough examination of the primary sources, make no mention of it. See Fatima Mernissi, The Forgotten Queens of Islam, University of Minnesota Press, 1997. So there is issue of due weight here and presenting disputed information as facts. Wiqi( 55) 00:59, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
I re-ordered the section on personal life and took out the following "Because al-Hakam was, besides being a Caliph (successor to the Prophet), he was also a renowned scholar of Islamic laws and theology which supports the views that he was not a homosexual but rather a heterosexual". I found this laughable and intellectually insulting - and not supported by the sources. Contaldo80 ( talk) 21:40, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Al-hakem was a just and enlightened ruler; he attended public worship every Friday, and distributed alms to the poor. Being himself very strict in the observance of religious duties, he caused all the precepts of the Sunnah to be enforced throughout his dominions. [1]
You keep adding this sentence "Among other virtues Al-hakem possessed that of paternal love in such a degree that it blinded his prudence and induced him to appoint a son of his, who was then a child, to be his successor, in preference to any of his brothers or nephews, all men of mature age, well versed in the management of affairs and in the command of the armies, capable of making their mandates obeyed, and of maintaining themselves in power." What does this have to do with suggestions of his homosexuality? Trying to make sense of the spanish sources you included look like he was thought to have been in love with a child or young man who may not have been his son and who he made his heir. You probably need to summarise this better if you want to restore some of the text that I took out - otherwise it doesn't make sense. Contaldo80 ( talk) 04:20, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Not sure if they are appropriate as it is not certain. Synotia ( talk) 17:46, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
92.0.65.92, don't bombard the article with major changes without establishing consensus here first. Again, list the changes you would like to be made so they can be added properly. Snowstormfigorion ( talk) 21:44, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
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This king is most definitely not gay. This is yet another attempt at distorting history. Please remove all these references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.44.111.113 ( talk) 00:10, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Why did you delete my Change?
You must respect the other point of view!!!
there are not such information in Arabic sources. Arab historians did not mention it. Readers should know it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.65.238.165 ( talk) 19:41, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
We are talking about Muslim Arab governor. In the sense that old Arab and Muslim historians must be the first historians that talking about it. If we were talking about the Roman governor, for example, certainly it would be more reliable Roman historians to speak about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.65.238.165 ( talk) 00:08, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
And readers will decide where the truth. At least let the following statement (according to European sources) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.65.238.165 ( talk) 00:11, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
The IP sounds like they just don't like what reliable sources state and are here to right great wrongs and show their version of the truth.
Uh, no. That is original research. -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 21:26, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
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This seems to be a claim made by Évariste Lévi-Provençal in 1944. Recent sources do not treat it as fact, with the exception of "history of homosexuality" type of sources that cite Lévi-Provençal. Moreover, the most extensive study of Subh that I'm aware of, which includes a thorough examination of the primary sources, make no mention of it. See Fatima Mernissi, The Forgotten Queens of Islam, University of Minnesota Press, 1997. So there is issue of due weight here and presenting disputed information as facts. Wiqi( 55) 00:59, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
I re-ordered the section on personal life and took out the following "Because al-Hakam was, besides being a Caliph (successor to the Prophet), he was also a renowned scholar of Islamic laws and theology which supports the views that he was not a homosexual but rather a heterosexual". I found this laughable and intellectually insulting - and not supported by the sources. Contaldo80 ( talk) 21:40, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Al-hakem was a just and enlightened ruler; he attended public worship every Friday, and distributed alms to the poor. Being himself very strict in the observance of religious duties, he caused all the precepts of the Sunnah to be enforced throughout his dominions. [1]
You keep adding this sentence "Among other virtues Al-hakem possessed that of paternal love in such a degree that it blinded his prudence and induced him to appoint a son of his, who was then a child, to be his successor, in preference to any of his brothers or nephews, all men of mature age, well versed in the management of affairs and in the command of the armies, capable of making their mandates obeyed, and of maintaining themselves in power." What does this have to do with suggestions of his homosexuality? Trying to make sense of the spanish sources you included look like he was thought to have been in love with a child or young man who may not have been his son and who he made his heir. You probably need to summarise this better if you want to restore some of the text that I took out - otherwise it doesn't make sense. Contaldo80 ( talk) 04:20, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Not sure if they are appropriate as it is not certain. Synotia ( talk) 17:46, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
92.0.65.92, don't bombard the article with major changes without establishing consensus here first. Again, list the changes you would like to be made so they can be added properly. Snowstormfigorion ( talk) 21:44, 29 July 2023 (UTC)