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Firstly, Granada wasn’t always a vassalage, as Muley Hacen and his successor rejected tribute. Also Musa bin Nusayr conquered Asturias in the north in 714. The whole north was conquered and Munuza (Umayyad leader) was appointed its governor. Only MANY years later was the kingdom of Asturias founded. The Arabs conquered the whole of Iberia. 2A04:4A43:4DAF:C3D6:917:85E4:D44D:E687 ( talk) 14:57, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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Kleuske, I don't understand why you undid my edits. I removed France because it wasn't mentioned in the source there. furthermore, southern France wasn't a permanent part of al-Andalus. I added "Muslim Spain" because it is common and thus noteworthy to mention. The same thing applies to "Moorish Spain".
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Kleuske, please explain what in the policy Wikipedia:COMMONNAME for article titles supports this edit, and how the edit improves the article. إيان ( talk) 16:33, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
"There is no credible scholarly skepticism regarding the use of the term". Yes, there is. As Alejandro García Sanjuán puts it, it is a
"highly problematic concept that greatly contributed to produce a largely biased and distorted vision of the Iberian medieval past, aimed at delegitimizing the Islamic presence (al-Andalus) and therefore at legitimizing the Christian conquest of the Muslim territory". [1] So,
"your phrasing implies "western historiography" is somehow responsable for that term being used"(?!) Well, d'uh. This Spanish-language term is primarily used elsewhere because Spanish historiography fostered it in the 19th and 20th centuries to begin with.--Asqueladd ( talk) 07:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
...yo no entiendo cómo se puede llamar reconquista a una cosa que dura ocho siglos. (I don't understand how a thing that lasted eight centuries can be called a reconquest.) [2]
"Reconquest" and "repopulation" have become, over the years, central categories of historical explanation, and, in spite of the topical or clearly outdated content of both concepts, they continue to be the point of reference for the same research that has contributed to replace them with others that are surely more adequate and comprehensive of the historical reality they study. [3]
Carlstak ( talk) 18:47, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Alejandro García Sanjuán has called into question the continued usefulness of reconquista as a historical model, while Emilio González Ferrín has gone further, challenging the very notion of an “Islamic conquest,” which he regards as another misleading holdover from the past. Considering these two approaches side by side allows for a deeper appreciation of the challenges of demythologization in relation to the study of medieval Spanish history. [6]
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I've done a bit of trimming in the lead. Length-wise, I think it's more or less fine as is. There are many paragraphs but they're pretty short, so they could simply do with a bit of merging and some more efficient wording, if needed. From a rough count, it has just over half the number of words as the lead of World War II, a GA article, and in terms of information, I find it hard to image any significant portions that could be trimmed without sacrificing essential information. If anything, the lead might also deserve a quick mention of its architectural legacy, given that this is the main physical and visual remnant of this period today (though I may be biased by my personal interests in that regard!). But feel free to discuss. R Prazeres ( talk) 20:16, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 17:03, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Firstly, Granada wasn’t always a vassalage, as Muley Hacen and his successor rejected tribute. Also Musa bin Nusayr conquered Asturias in the north in 714. The whole north was conquered and Munuza (Umayyad leader) was appointed its governor. Only MANY years later was the kingdom of Asturias founded. The Arabs conquered the whole of Iberia. 2A04:4A43:4DAF:C3D6:917:85E4:D44D:E687 ( talk) 14:57, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
@
Kleuske, I don't understand why you undid my edits. I removed France because it wasn't mentioned in the source there. furthermore, southern France wasn't a permanent part of al-Andalus. I added "Muslim Spain" because it is common and thus noteworthy to mention. The same thing applies to "Moorish Spain".
Ibn Qattuta (
talk) 21:16, 1 August 2023 (UTC) (Blocked sock of
SimoooIX)
References
Kleuske, please explain what in the policy Wikipedia:COMMONNAME for article titles supports this edit, and how the edit improves the article. إيان ( talk) 16:33, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
"There is no credible scholarly skepticism regarding the use of the term". Yes, there is. As Alejandro García Sanjuán puts it, it is a
"highly problematic concept that greatly contributed to produce a largely biased and distorted vision of the Iberian medieval past, aimed at delegitimizing the Islamic presence (al-Andalus) and therefore at legitimizing the Christian conquest of the Muslim territory". [1] So,
"your phrasing implies "western historiography" is somehow responsable for that term being used"(?!) Well, d'uh. This Spanish-language term is primarily used elsewhere because Spanish historiography fostered it in the 19th and 20th centuries to begin with.--Asqueladd ( talk) 07:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
...yo no entiendo cómo se puede llamar reconquista a una cosa que dura ocho siglos. (I don't understand how a thing that lasted eight centuries can be called a reconquest.) [2]
"Reconquest" and "repopulation" have become, over the years, central categories of historical explanation, and, in spite of the topical or clearly outdated content of both concepts, they continue to be the point of reference for the same research that has contributed to replace them with others that are surely more adequate and comprehensive of the historical reality they study. [3]
Carlstak ( talk) 18:47, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Alejandro García Sanjuán has called into question the continued usefulness of reconquista as a historical model, while Emilio González Ferrín has gone further, challenging the very notion of an “Islamic conquest,” which he regards as another misleading holdover from the past. Considering these two approaches side by side allows for a deeper appreciation of the challenges of demythologization in relation to the study of medieval Spanish history. [6]
References
I've done a bit of trimming in the lead. Length-wise, I think it's more or less fine as is. There are many paragraphs but they're pretty short, so they could simply do with a bit of merging and some more efficient wording, if needed. From a rough count, it has just over half the number of words as the lead of World War II, a GA article, and in terms of information, I find it hard to image any significant portions that could be trimmed without sacrificing essential information. If anything, the lead might also deserve a quick mention of its architectural legacy, given that this is the main physical and visual remnant of this period today (though I may be biased by my personal interests in that regard!). But feel free to discuss. R Prazeres ( talk) 20:16, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 January 2024 and 2 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Goldfinch12 ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Curious Shrimp, Bandzvlad.
— Assignment last updated by Bumblebeatrice ( talk) 19:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)