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When N.H.C. comes out does that mean we'll be under N.H.C. or Naruto or both? Also will have to move some characters (when they get their own articles that is) will be under N.H.C. and others won't? Where will Itachi and Kisame be at. I'll help any way I can (looks like I'll have to wait to ask for a Hidan article until after all this B.S. is over). Sam ov the blue sand 17:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone read the latest chapter? (333) Should some mention be made of what's happened? -Retlor
He is dead, kakashi used raikiri through his heart. if you read the chapter kakshis hand is coming out his body.
What's this in Kakuzu's description about five different beings, inside of him, that allows him to control the elements? Rayfire 20:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Kakuzu definitely not dead. Also, update needed to his entry. There are now some better pictures of him we might be able to use. -Retlor
Hmmm... Notice how my analysis of Kakuzu & Hidan being mirror images of each other seemes to get more and more accurate? Sure, we don't know all details yet, thus we can't jump to conclusions, but I stand for my theory... I could bet a nickle that the "masked monster" that instantly died controlled suiton and once all of those "blood golems" are dead, Kakuzu is done for... Well, that's just speculation.
villians like him simply just don't die in one chapter, or from one hit for that matter. it's gonna be a long battle between him/hidan and kakashi's team and it's gonna be span over at least a couple more episodes even after 334. Sphinxridd 04:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Had you asked me 15 minutes ago (when I started writing this peice) what I thought Kakuzu's natural affinity was, I would have said earth. I can't be certain any more. I had thought this because he used hand seals to activate the iron body tech that Kakashi busted through. But, when he controls the 3 shinobi hearts, his hands stay moulded. whether this is just to maintain control, or to actualy activate the moves the beasts execute we can't be sure. I see something else too: Kakuzu's "face" has all the traits of the masks the beasts are faced by. Black eyes with white pupils. the mouldable/controllable string/tenticle stuff is still present, even after the monsters (who are made of the same stuff) leave. I think that like Sasori, Kakuzu's heart is able to move separate from his body main. I think he's like one of the creatures. Another version of a puppet master whos become like his puppets. A state of living death. Also, when his arm was moving on its own, it was by the will of one of the extra hearts. Any one else catch that? I'm working on a serious rework on the Kakuzu article to deal with some of the changes we've seen and to make it flow better. Xeago 02:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I found that someone wrote that the threads going all around his body is similar to Frankenstein's monster. I see what they are saying, but I doubt it should be put on the article.
Since Kakuzu can mold his masks together to attack as one, would this be considered a bloodline limit? It isn't an actual new element like wood or ice, but he does fuse his fuuton and katon masks together, and Kakashi says that the edition of wind makes his suiton attack unable to stop it. Kage-Lupus 02:17, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Just as a side note, according to the cover of the Naruto manga, volume 36, it seemes Kakuzu has black eyes, yellow iris and red-brown colored skin... Oh, and Xeago, I don't sign my posts because there is nothing to sign... I'm an unregistered user of wikipedia, I'm nobody while I'm here, and that's the way I like it.
When the english dub of the anime introduces us to the akatsuki and if they choose to name Akatsuki, "dawn" or sunrise", will this article change name into said name then? Like what happened to Maito Gai's article where he is called "Might Guy"?
It's true that Maito Gai is a katakana translation of Might Guy, but if Masashi had intended for Gai's name to truly be "Might Guy", I believe he would've settled for something like "Seiryoku Gai"... Personally, I still think that he choosed "Maito Gai" because it would be a clear referance to his strong character, but that's just me... Rasengan = Power Strike? And how many hate letters does the dubbers get each day? I'm a member of the movement that emphasizes the use of original names, both character, techniques and other things alike, instead of dubbed versions of them.
First, i want to cleear up the chidori lightning blade thing. Chidori(one thousand birds) is a lightning element jutsu that Kakashi created. Rakiri(lightning blade/edge/cut) is a enhanced version. So what he used on Zabuza and what he taught Sasuke are different jutsu's.
I just noticed the last sentence in Kisame's entry implying that using water-based jutsu without a water source is somehow impressive. But didn't Yamato create a waterfall without any apparent water source? Did I miss anything in the manga stating that only the best water-using shinobi could do this? focoma 18:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually it might be because he has some of the first hokages dna in him wich alternatively is the 2nds brother so he has just a tad bit of the seconds ability Naruto editor 17:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Only the second hokage and Kisame can summon water out of no where. Most water jutsu specialists need a body of water for their jutsu. Apparently the second was so skilled at water jutsu that he surpassed this limitation. I don't know if Kisame can do this because I don't remember anywhere in the manga stating that he could.
He does it in his fight against Team Gai. -Retlor
I'm gonna include how the eye pattern is similar to that of Yuhi Kurenai because it just is. Also I don't know why Itachi is listed only as a genjutsu specialist. Having the sharingan to copy jutsu of countless jonin who are sent after you since you are a missing nin will definitly make anyone a master in all three forms of jutsu. We've seen Tsukiyomi (genjutsu) and Amaterasu (ninjutsu), not to mention that exploding bushin trick (ninjutsu). so I'm gonna include both mastery on ninjutsu and genjutsu on Itachi.
I know that there was a debate about wether Itachi should get his own page. Akatsuki has a lot of members and I don't think all of them can fit on one page. Also Itachi has too little information present for him. For a guy who impacts main characters like Sasuke and Orochimaru he definitly should have more information. The problem is everytime I include stuff about his family/clan life its deleted. Since nobody else wants to do it, I'm willing to go into detail about Itachi's story and include factual not speculative things revealed about him. Don't worry I'm not gonna write 50 paragraphs; I'm just going to include as much is necessary. I'll check back this message to see if anyone has a problem with this and then I'll edit his article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.108.56.182 ( talk) 11:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
Someguy0830 I really don't know what your issue issue but please don't have a spaz attack. I don't understand why you're being so confrontational, I really don't have time to waste on a fight. So anyway his father said he doesn't like making friends. This is important because it deals with Itachi isolative behaviour. His mother's line may not be as important but if you read that part in the anime or the manga, its shows her concern and saddness as she knows the weirdness that going around Itachi. That much isn't speculation. If I were to say that this line shows that she knew he was evil and got the clan to try to kill him, then that's speculation but I'm not going that far. All I'm saying is that this line exists and has something to do with his character and his mom. That's all. When I was talking about Shisui I meant including the stuff about how he was sent to spy on Itachi. Anyone following the Naruto story knows that criminals especially S ranked one are chased after by hunter nins. That's why hunter nins exist to chase after convicted criminals. Obviously Kishimoto not going to show people after every single person but we do know villages send them after criminals. Hunter nins are obviously high level ninja and Itachi has obviously killed his fair share and copied their jutsus because its impossible to believe that with the sharingan and its copying abilities all he has is the mangekyou sharingan. I'm not going to include the hunter nins part in the article, I'm just using it to show that you can't classify him as a genjutsu specialist because we just don't know enough about the guy to do that. Tsunade is medical specialist, Kurenai is a genjutsu specialist, because people in the manga have said that they are but no one has called Itachi a genjutsu specialist. Kakashi has shown water and lightning jutsu but we know he has more than that because he knows like 1000 jutsu as the manga states, so we can't classify him as a water and lightning jutsu specialist. Using this same reasoning Itachi can't be put under the simple classification of a genjutsu specialist. Please reply nicely and I will reply nicely, like I said I don't want to start a fight with you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.108.56.182 ( talk • contribs).
here you go. this is the edit I was talking about. I'm using quotes whereever its necessary, specially in those areas that are really debatable. Someguy0830 please tell me if you still feel I'm being too speculative because I AM listening to everything you're saying. I'm not including the hunter nin that was just to get a point across. I'm just trying to give background information to an important character. I'm really trying to understand you so please try and understand me as well. Just give me an honest opinion on what I've written before you start deleting stuff tell me what you feel is wrong with it. Noman953
thank you for replying kindly, respect is all I really want between people posting. sinnce I have been accused of being a speculation monster I used quotes to avoid bias.
I am concerned about how you edited the article though. Why you remove the translation on to tes my ability and the other stuff with it. When Itachi was talking about all three of them being killed he was referring to naruto's power not Jiraiya's. you also removed a lot of the quotes I added. the reason I put quotes in was so that people can come with their own conclusions of his goals via reading them. the quotes of him fighting his three members were important.-- Noman953
there you go being confrontational AGAIN. from what I've read he was talking about the nine tails since they can't compete with a fully nine tailed naruto and Jiraiya was going to cause extra trouble that's why they needed to get rid of him. quotes are necessary because they show the article lacks bias. paraphrasing involves bias, which is funny because you yourself were so against speculation so quotes were necessary. -- Noman953
if you want to talk logic then its your argumentative and confrontational behavior that lacks logic. of couse they fear Naruto. the biju inside him is powerful if not the strongest biju of all but something being powerful isn't going to stop them from going after it. jiraiya was excess baggage that needed to be removed, thats all. you accused me of being too speculative so I used quotes then you started complaining about the unnecessary use of quotes. I'm not putting any of this in the article. I think I have shown the ability to remove speculation from fact. Everything that I've written about Itachi is what happened in the manga and the anime, none of it are my beliefs on the matter. all I ever wanted to do with this article was expand it to include known information about this character; a process that you've made very difficult. I don't know where is this fussiness comes from. Why am I the only one here you attack? you didn't include background information on him so I did. wikipedians should be able to contribute information without going through this Hell, man. And you know what I've done that so there isn't any point of me writing and arguing on this post with you because I've achieved what I came here to do. -- Noman953
I agree with both Someguy and Noman...just on different things. Someguy you are confrontational, to the point of being a little scary, but perhaps you are extremely aware of the rules of Wikipedia and simply doing your best to enforce them, I don't know. But believe me Noman you are not the only person he has gotten on. That said you are wrong on this argument of Kisame and Itachi were scared of Naruto. They specifically stated in Manga and anime referred to him by name and title as one of the Sannin that they were scared of Jiraiya. This is further evidenced by the fact that they were in complete control when they confronted Naruto and their elaborate scheme to separate the two. Ninetails or not a Genin at his level is not gonna be able to handle the two of them (see Orochimaru shutting up the Kyubi in the Forest of Death). As far as details and paraphrasing vs direct quotes go, personally I believe in more details is better especially in an encyclopedaic context. However Wikipedia as per their guidlines don't appear to agree, so whichever gets the effective message across in the least amount of space should be used. On the subject of Itachi's speech what is currently in the article gets the gist of it, hate me, detest me, and when you have the same eyes as me come before me, becomes the concise hate me and get the Mangekyo Sharingan. I do believe as insight into Itachi and Sasuke that the last part of the speech should be added as well, Run, run, and cling to life should be added as well. This in short would become survive at all costs, signifying Itachi's desire to have Sasuke get stronger and more of Sasuke's motivations. Rayfire 19:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Would it be possible for someone to at least write a sandbox article on Itachi just to see how it looks? According to the page history, people just keep copying and pasting this information into a new page. I'd like to see it in the format similar to the other characters. It would also be nice to compare it to the shorter character articles like Shizune and Chiyo. 72.155.151.203 03:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
I failed this article for Good Article status. Per [1] (the article when I was reviewing), this article does not conform with the Manual of Style (writing about fiction). The whole article is written from the perspective of the fiction. Where is the author/creator? How about its development history? Popularity of the subject in the real world? etc. Go dig more research of this subject! Find more reliable sources rather than the manga itself. When all of these matters are resolved, then this article can be resubmitted again. — Indon ( reply) — 18:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok, this is the topic that me and Someguy0830 have had a long controversy. As far as I'm concerned, we should not use the word "greedy", or "greedy" or "obvious greed" to depict as Kakuzu's characteristic. The info should be change to "strong desire for money". Someguy suggests me to bring it on this discussion. What about others' opinion? Causesobad 08:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
So I was reading through this Akatsuki page today and I noticed that it says the charm on his beads is an upside-down triangle inside of a circle. I got confused for a bit because I knew that I had been drawing it as a rightside-up triangle and had been using references. The colored cover from chapter 317 (which is shown in the article as Hidan's picture) indeed shows it being upside-down. This got me to looking through the manga from where Hidan first appeared in 312 until the beads were broken when Asuma decapitated him.
When Hidan first takes them out in 313 to pray before fighting Yugito, the triangle is upside-down. They are not really shown again until the 317 cover where he is first seen wearing them as a necklace and it is upside-down again. The beads are not clearly shown after that until Hidan starts his voodoo ritual against Team Asuma where the triangle is rightside-up. For the rest of the fight until the beads are broken, the triangle remains rightside-up. So, I was right in my drawings, but the article is also right...
What should we do then? Would it be best to keep the orientation of the triangle out of the article to prevent contradiction? Kangarugh22 18:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not trying to start an arguement or an edit war but I believe that it will be time to make a new article for Hidan and/or Kakuzu. Maybe in a few more chapters or when the battle between Team 10 and them is over. Sam ov the blue sand 15:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Well I think you guy's missed something from the Hidan article. His forehead protector points to rain village and you guys said that we don't know his village. Well they are stripes that represent rain but they are kind of crooked so we don't know if it's the creator's mess up or something or we got a new village (highly unlikely). Well just saying.
In Akatsuki's first meeting which happened in chapter 238, it was mentioned that they had not met in a group like this for 7 years. Itachi was present. According to Itachi's profile, he was 18 in the part I. So he was 11 or younger when he joined Akatsuki? Wasn't it also mentioned that he became a Chuunin at 10, and became an ANBU sqad leader at 13 or something? so how early did he defect? -- Sphinxridd 05:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
He could have joined without all the members being present at once, which is what they mean. 217.208.27.4 20:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't help but notice that Deidara's part of the article is saying he's been given a 'very deep, male voice' in the anime. Now, as a Naruto fan myself, I try and keep up with this kind of stuff, and I havn't found anything supporting this. Should this be taken out, or at least that handy little 'citation needed' thing added? Ansalo 08:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC) Ansalo 23:25 15 December 2006
It's very definitely him. He's upside down, if I recall. As he is only a silhouette, it might be a little difficult to recognise him. However he was also given that little 'huh' sound that he always ends his sentances with. Retlor 21:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Each mask creature is able to control and attack with a specific chakra element: the eagle uses wind, the lion uses fire, and the ox uses lightning. The broken mask is never given the chance to display its element. Isn't the next element available/left water?????
"The Akatsuki Leader is rumored to be th 4th Hokage ,Yondaime. These rumors are confirmed in the latest Manga of Naruto released in Japan"
First of all, this was in Deidara's space. Second, I cant remove it. This is vandilizism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Countmall ( talk • contribs) 02:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC).
-It's bull. The latest release was chapter 335, in which nothing of the sort was revealed. AL didn't even appear. Either a vandal or some deluded fan trying to persuade people that their right. Retlor 13:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
-Not possible for the 4th to be Akatsuki Leader, chapter cover 317 clearly shows the leader having brown hair
Is it safe to assume that Kakuzu killed the Shodai Hokage, judging from chapter 336? Vrtrahex 01:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
The guy that was shown having his heart taken out was a random guy from Sand Village. Look at the forehead protector. Kangarugh22 17:28, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Besides that, if Kakuzu did have Shodai's heart, at was prably killed by the Nidaime or other shinobi.
Why does Itachi have lines going from his eyes to his nose? 74.234.47.25 22:08, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I added a colored version of the sealing statue of Akatsuki. Hope I helped. Please don't delete it. Gaara the Fifth Kazekage 02:38, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I wish to propose that the description of Hidan's "Grim Reaper"-like appearance be changed because it much more closely resembles images of the Vodoun(Voodoo) loa of the dead known as Baron Samedi. Skeletal visage and scythe do not a reaper make. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Trilaan ( talk • contribs) 15:31, 30 December 2006 (UTC).
Then I would simply like to request that since the description in the character stats listing says "Grim-Reaper-like" that the second instance in the 5th paragraph also says Grim Reaper-like if for nothing else than for article consistency.
I don't understand where you're coming from, honestly. Perhaps you could privately give me a longer explanation as to why you are so set against this alteration. It's true this is a minor thing but it's something I strongly believe in.
Okay, I apologize. So who is the proper person to take it up with?
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When N.H.C. comes out does that mean we'll be under N.H.C. or Naruto or both? Also will have to move some characters (when they get their own articles that is) will be under N.H.C. and others won't? Where will Itachi and Kisame be at. I'll help any way I can (looks like I'll have to wait to ask for a Hidan article until after all this B.S. is over). Sam ov the blue sand 17:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone read the latest chapter? (333) Should some mention be made of what's happened? -Retlor
He is dead, kakashi used raikiri through his heart. if you read the chapter kakshis hand is coming out his body.
What's this in Kakuzu's description about five different beings, inside of him, that allows him to control the elements? Rayfire 20:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Kakuzu definitely not dead. Also, update needed to his entry. There are now some better pictures of him we might be able to use. -Retlor
Hmmm... Notice how my analysis of Kakuzu & Hidan being mirror images of each other seemes to get more and more accurate? Sure, we don't know all details yet, thus we can't jump to conclusions, but I stand for my theory... I could bet a nickle that the "masked monster" that instantly died controlled suiton and once all of those "blood golems" are dead, Kakuzu is done for... Well, that's just speculation.
villians like him simply just don't die in one chapter, or from one hit for that matter. it's gonna be a long battle between him/hidan and kakashi's team and it's gonna be span over at least a couple more episodes even after 334. Sphinxridd 04:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Had you asked me 15 minutes ago (when I started writing this peice) what I thought Kakuzu's natural affinity was, I would have said earth. I can't be certain any more. I had thought this because he used hand seals to activate the iron body tech that Kakashi busted through. But, when he controls the 3 shinobi hearts, his hands stay moulded. whether this is just to maintain control, or to actualy activate the moves the beasts execute we can't be sure. I see something else too: Kakuzu's "face" has all the traits of the masks the beasts are faced by. Black eyes with white pupils. the mouldable/controllable string/tenticle stuff is still present, even after the monsters (who are made of the same stuff) leave. I think that like Sasori, Kakuzu's heart is able to move separate from his body main. I think he's like one of the creatures. Another version of a puppet master whos become like his puppets. A state of living death. Also, when his arm was moving on its own, it was by the will of one of the extra hearts. Any one else catch that? I'm working on a serious rework on the Kakuzu article to deal with some of the changes we've seen and to make it flow better. Xeago 02:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I found that someone wrote that the threads going all around his body is similar to Frankenstein's monster. I see what they are saying, but I doubt it should be put on the article.
Since Kakuzu can mold his masks together to attack as one, would this be considered a bloodline limit? It isn't an actual new element like wood or ice, but he does fuse his fuuton and katon masks together, and Kakashi says that the edition of wind makes his suiton attack unable to stop it. Kage-Lupus 02:17, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Just as a side note, according to the cover of the Naruto manga, volume 36, it seemes Kakuzu has black eyes, yellow iris and red-brown colored skin... Oh, and Xeago, I don't sign my posts because there is nothing to sign... I'm an unregistered user of wikipedia, I'm nobody while I'm here, and that's the way I like it.
When the english dub of the anime introduces us to the akatsuki and if they choose to name Akatsuki, "dawn" or sunrise", will this article change name into said name then? Like what happened to Maito Gai's article where he is called "Might Guy"?
It's true that Maito Gai is a katakana translation of Might Guy, but if Masashi had intended for Gai's name to truly be "Might Guy", I believe he would've settled for something like "Seiryoku Gai"... Personally, I still think that he choosed "Maito Gai" because it would be a clear referance to his strong character, but that's just me... Rasengan = Power Strike? And how many hate letters does the dubbers get each day? I'm a member of the movement that emphasizes the use of original names, both character, techniques and other things alike, instead of dubbed versions of them.
First, i want to cleear up the chidori lightning blade thing. Chidori(one thousand birds) is a lightning element jutsu that Kakashi created. Rakiri(lightning blade/edge/cut) is a enhanced version. So what he used on Zabuza and what he taught Sasuke are different jutsu's.
I just noticed the last sentence in Kisame's entry implying that using water-based jutsu without a water source is somehow impressive. But didn't Yamato create a waterfall without any apparent water source? Did I miss anything in the manga stating that only the best water-using shinobi could do this? focoma 18:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually it might be because he has some of the first hokages dna in him wich alternatively is the 2nds brother so he has just a tad bit of the seconds ability Naruto editor 17:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Only the second hokage and Kisame can summon water out of no where. Most water jutsu specialists need a body of water for their jutsu. Apparently the second was so skilled at water jutsu that he surpassed this limitation. I don't know if Kisame can do this because I don't remember anywhere in the manga stating that he could.
He does it in his fight against Team Gai. -Retlor
I'm gonna include how the eye pattern is similar to that of Yuhi Kurenai because it just is. Also I don't know why Itachi is listed only as a genjutsu specialist. Having the sharingan to copy jutsu of countless jonin who are sent after you since you are a missing nin will definitly make anyone a master in all three forms of jutsu. We've seen Tsukiyomi (genjutsu) and Amaterasu (ninjutsu), not to mention that exploding bushin trick (ninjutsu). so I'm gonna include both mastery on ninjutsu and genjutsu on Itachi.
I know that there was a debate about wether Itachi should get his own page. Akatsuki has a lot of members and I don't think all of them can fit on one page. Also Itachi has too little information present for him. For a guy who impacts main characters like Sasuke and Orochimaru he definitly should have more information. The problem is everytime I include stuff about his family/clan life its deleted. Since nobody else wants to do it, I'm willing to go into detail about Itachi's story and include factual not speculative things revealed about him. Don't worry I'm not gonna write 50 paragraphs; I'm just going to include as much is necessary. I'll check back this message to see if anyone has a problem with this and then I'll edit his article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.108.56.182 ( talk) 11:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
Someguy0830 I really don't know what your issue issue but please don't have a spaz attack. I don't understand why you're being so confrontational, I really don't have time to waste on a fight. So anyway his father said he doesn't like making friends. This is important because it deals with Itachi isolative behaviour. His mother's line may not be as important but if you read that part in the anime or the manga, its shows her concern and saddness as she knows the weirdness that going around Itachi. That much isn't speculation. If I were to say that this line shows that she knew he was evil and got the clan to try to kill him, then that's speculation but I'm not going that far. All I'm saying is that this line exists and has something to do with his character and his mom. That's all. When I was talking about Shisui I meant including the stuff about how he was sent to spy on Itachi. Anyone following the Naruto story knows that criminals especially S ranked one are chased after by hunter nins. That's why hunter nins exist to chase after convicted criminals. Obviously Kishimoto not going to show people after every single person but we do know villages send them after criminals. Hunter nins are obviously high level ninja and Itachi has obviously killed his fair share and copied their jutsus because its impossible to believe that with the sharingan and its copying abilities all he has is the mangekyou sharingan. I'm not going to include the hunter nins part in the article, I'm just using it to show that you can't classify him as a genjutsu specialist because we just don't know enough about the guy to do that. Tsunade is medical specialist, Kurenai is a genjutsu specialist, because people in the manga have said that they are but no one has called Itachi a genjutsu specialist. Kakashi has shown water and lightning jutsu but we know he has more than that because he knows like 1000 jutsu as the manga states, so we can't classify him as a water and lightning jutsu specialist. Using this same reasoning Itachi can't be put under the simple classification of a genjutsu specialist. Please reply nicely and I will reply nicely, like I said I don't want to start a fight with you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.108.56.182 ( talk • contribs).
here you go. this is the edit I was talking about. I'm using quotes whereever its necessary, specially in those areas that are really debatable. Someguy0830 please tell me if you still feel I'm being too speculative because I AM listening to everything you're saying. I'm not including the hunter nin that was just to get a point across. I'm just trying to give background information to an important character. I'm really trying to understand you so please try and understand me as well. Just give me an honest opinion on what I've written before you start deleting stuff tell me what you feel is wrong with it. Noman953
thank you for replying kindly, respect is all I really want between people posting. sinnce I have been accused of being a speculation monster I used quotes to avoid bias.
I am concerned about how you edited the article though. Why you remove the translation on to tes my ability and the other stuff with it. When Itachi was talking about all three of them being killed he was referring to naruto's power not Jiraiya's. you also removed a lot of the quotes I added. the reason I put quotes in was so that people can come with their own conclusions of his goals via reading them. the quotes of him fighting his three members were important.-- Noman953
there you go being confrontational AGAIN. from what I've read he was talking about the nine tails since they can't compete with a fully nine tailed naruto and Jiraiya was going to cause extra trouble that's why they needed to get rid of him. quotes are necessary because they show the article lacks bias. paraphrasing involves bias, which is funny because you yourself were so against speculation so quotes were necessary. -- Noman953
if you want to talk logic then its your argumentative and confrontational behavior that lacks logic. of couse they fear Naruto. the biju inside him is powerful if not the strongest biju of all but something being powerful isn't going to stop them from going after it. jiraiya was excess baggage that needed to be removed, thats all. you accused me of being too speculative so I used quotes then you started complaining about the unnecessary use of quotes. I'm not putting any of this in the article. I think I have shown the ability to remove speculation from fact. Everything that I've written about Itachi is what happened in the manga and the anime, none of it are my beliefs on the matter. all I ever wanted to do with this article was expand it to include known information about this character; a process that you've made very difficult. I don't know where is this fussiness comes from. Why am I the only one here you attack? you didn't include background information on him so I did. wikipedians should be able to contribute information without going through this Hell, man. And you know what I've done that so there isn't any point of me writing and arguing on this post with you because I've achieved what I came here to do. -- Noman953
I agree with both Someguy and Noman...just on different things. Someguy you are confrontational, to the point of being a little scary, but perhaps you are extremely aware of the rules of Wikipedia and simply doing your best to enforce them, I don't know. But believe me Noman you are not the only person he has gotten on. That said you are wrong on this argument of Kisame and Itachi were scared of Naruto. They specifically stated in Manga and anime referred to him by name and title as one of the Sannin that they were scared of Jiraiya. This is further evidenced by the fact that they were in complete control when they confronted Naruto and their elaborate scheme to separate the two. Ninetails or not a Genin at his level is not gonna be able to handle the two of them (see Orochimaru shutting up the Kyubi in the Forest of Death). As far as details and paraphrasing vs direct quotes go, personally I believe in more details is better especially in an encyclopedaic context. However Wikipedia as per their guidlines don't appear to agree, so whichever gets the effective message across in the least amount of space should be used. On the subject of Itachi's speech what is currently in the article gets the gist of it, hate me, detest me, and when you have the same eyes as me come before me, becomes the concise hate me and get the Mangekyo Sharingan. I do believe as insight into Itachi and Sasuke that the last part of the speech should be added as well, Run, run, and cling to life should be added as well. This in short would become survive at all costs, signifying Itachi's desire to have Sasuke get stronger and more of Sasuke's motivations. Rayfire 19:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Would it be possible for someone to at least write a sandbox article on Itachi just to see how it looks? According to the page history, people just keep copying and pasting this information into a new page. I'd like to see it in the format similar to the other characters. It would also be nice to compare it to the shorter character articles like Shizune and Chiyo. 72.155.151.203 03:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
I failed this article for Good Article status. Per [1] (the article when I was reviewing), this article does not conform with the Manual of Style (writing about fiction). The whole article is written from the perspective of the fiction. Where is the author/creator? How about its development history? Popularity of the subject in the real world? etc. Go dig more research of this subject! Find more reliable sources rather than the manga itself. When all of these matters are resolved, then this article can be resubmitted again. — Indon ( reply) — 18:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok, this is the topic that me and Someguy0830 have had a long controversy. As far as I'm concerned, we should not use the word "greedy", or "greedy" or "obvious greed" to depict as Kakuzu's characteristic. The info should be change to "strong desire for money". Someguy suggests me to bring it on this discussion. What about others' opinion? Causesobad 08:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
So I was reading through this Akatsuki page today and I noticed that it says the charm on his beads is an upside-down triangle inside of a circle. I got confused for a bit because I knew that I had been drawing it as a rightside-up triangle and had been using references. The colored cover from chapter 317 (which is shown in the article as Hidan's picture) indeed shows it being upside-down. This got me to looking through the manga from where Hidan first appeared in 312 until the beads were broken when Asuma decapitated him.
When Hidan first takes them out in 313 to pray before fighting Yugito, the triangle is upside-down. They are not really shown again until the 317 cover where he is first seen wearing them as a necklace and it is upside-down again. The beads are not clearly shown after that until Hidan starts his voodoo ritual against Team Asuma where the triangle is rightside-up. For the rest of the fight until the beads are broken, the triangle remains rightside-up. So, I was right in my drawings, but the article is also right...
What should we do then? Would it be best to keep the orientation of the triangle out of the article to prevent contradiction? Kangarugh22 18:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not trying to start an arguement or an edit war but I believe that it will be time to make a new article for Hidan and/or Kakuzu. Maybe in a few more chapters or when the battle between Team 10 and them is over. Sam ov the blue sand 15:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Well I think you guy's missed something from the Hidan article. His forehead protector points to rain village and you guys said that we don't know his village. Well they are stripes that represent rain but they are kind of crooked so we don't know if it's the creator's mess up or something or we got a new village (highly unlikely). Well just saying.
In Akatsuki's first meeting which happened in chapter 238, it was mentioned that they had not met in a group like this for 7 years. Itachi was present. According to Itachi's profile, he was 18 in the part I. So he was 11 or younger when he joined Akatsuki? Wasn't it also mentioned that he became a Chuunin at 10, and became an ANBU sqad leader at 13 or something? so how early did he defect? -- Sphinxridd 05:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
He could have joined without all the members being present at once, which is what they mean. 217.208.27.4 20:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't help but notice that Deidara's part of the article is saying he's been given a 'very deep, male voice' in the anime. Now, as a Naruto fan myself, I try and keep up with this kind of stuff, and I havn't found anything supporting this. Should this be taken out, or at least that handy little 'citation needed' thing added? Ansalo 08:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC) Ansalo 23:25 15 December 2006
It's very definitely him. He's upside down, if I recall. As he is only a silhouette, it might be a little difficult to recognise him. However he was also given that little 'huh' sound that he always ends his sentances with. Retlor 21:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Each mask creature is able to control and attack with a specific chakra element: the eagle uses wind, the lion uses fire, and the ox uses lightning. The broken mask is never given the chance to display its element. Isn't the next element available/left water?????
"The Akatsuki Leader is rumored to be th 4th Hokage ,Yondaime. These rumors are confirmed in the latest Manga of Naruto released in Japan"
First of all, this was in Deidara's space. Second, I cant remove it. This is vandilizism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Countmall ( talk • contribs) 02:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC).
-It's bull. The latest release was chapter 335, in which nothing of the sort was revealed. AL didn't even appear. Either a vandal or some deluded fan trying to persuade people that their right. Retlor 13:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
-Not possible for the 4th to be Akatsuki Leader, chapter cover 317 clearly shows the leader having brown hair
Is it safe to assume that Kakuzu killed the Shodai Hokage, judging from chapter 336? Vrtrahex 01:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
The guy that was shown having his heart taken out was a random guy from Sand Village. Look at the forehead protector. Kangarugh22 17:28, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Besides that, if Kakuzu did have Shodai's heart, at was prably killed by the Nidaime or other shinobi.
Why does Itachi have lines going from his eyes to his nose? 74.234.47.25 22:08, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I added a colored version of the sealing statue of Akatsuki. Hope I helped. Please don't delete it. Gaara the Fifth Kazekage 02:38, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I wish to propose that the description of Hidan's "Grim Reaper"-like appearance be changed because it much more closely resembles images of the Vodoun(Voodoo) loa of the dead known as Baron Samedi. Skeletal visage and scythe do not a reaper make. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Trilaan ( talk • contribs) 15:31, 30 December 2006 (UTC).
Then I would simply like to request that since the description in the character stats listing says "Grim-Reaper-like" that the second instance in the 5th paragraph also says Grim Reaper-like if for nothing else than for article consistency.
I don't understand where you're coming from, honestly. Perhaps you could privately give me a longer explanation as to why you are so set against this alteration. It's true this is a minor thing but it's something I strongly believe in.
Okay, I apologize. So who is the proper person to take it up with?