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Article seems to be an attempt to glorify some person ajit doval of no consequence.Article be deleted. Debashishh 13:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
An excellent writer must meet some criterias like: his writings must appear at multiple places or his ideas must also find an echo somewhere else. Ajit Kumar Doval meets these criterias. His articles have not only appeared in the Times of India but also on other internationally renowned much respected scholastic websites such as [ [1]].For instance his article on strategic affairs titled "Impending Storm" -[ [2]]
Kushwah 10:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I totally agree with you. Krishna Kaasyap 07:43, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
The external links section was way too long, so I'm moving it here in its entirety. The bulk of the links that I clicked through, such as news coverage that mentions him, is not appropriate in external links sections unless the link adds a degree of information that is beyond the scope of the article. Individual links may be put back on a case-by-case basis if they meet our external links guidelines
Wikiseemeatwiki, Human3015, There is too much playing around with edits to the article. Please discuss the matter here and come to a consensus before doing edits. This is WP:BLP article. No views should be present in the lead section unless they are backed up by impeccable scholarly sources. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 15:50, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Human3015. I have worded the sentence as "claiming Indian leverage". The leverage stands regardless of whether something happens in future or not; it is the reaction that depends on preceding incidents. If you want, you can "quote" his exact statement after the claim to give the context. However, without quotes, it appears as a fact that Pakistan, as a state, did attack Mumbai, which is a mere allegation.
Also, in the lead section are reasons to his fame. Since we added award there which made him famous in India, for which there is a separate section, we can also add his most controversial views, for they have also given him much fame in Pakistan
Kautilya3 I had posted a link to a letter to the editor, and you have removed it. A letter to an editor is also an opinion, it goes through a vetting process and gets approved by the editorial process of a Newspaper; only that it is shorter. On what grounds did you choose to remove it? Wikiseemeatwiki ( talk) 11:57, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Human3015 Following the ethics preached above, I believe you should have initiated a talk instead of undoing the change unilaterally. Secondly, here is what Doval ACTUALLY said (listen to the talk): " You may do one Mumbai, you may lose balochistan".
First of all who is "you"? Is it Pakistani state, Pakistani intelligence agency, or non-state actors? He does not specifically reference. Yet, the text on Wikipedia had put in QUOTES: "Pakistan does one more attack like Mumbai".
Moreover, there is no global consensus that Pakistani STATE was behind the attack, as the text tried to imply by quoting Doval incorrectly.
Wikiseemeatwiki (
talk)
09:05, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
see this: 'You can do one Mumbai, you may lose Balochistan'. saddahaq.com, Retrieved 14 May 2015. Stop putting in a text which you WISH Doval had said, and leave the text which he ACTUALLY said. Wikiseemeatwiki ( talk) 09:53, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
@ Human3015 and Wikiseemeatwiki: This discussion has seriously degenerated into a forum discussion. It is extremely disruptive. Please stop it and find something else to work on. Admin Abecedare has promised to take a look here, and you should wait for his input. Cheers, Kautilya3 ( talk) 08:50, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
I was contacted about this article on my talkpage, and having read the above talkpage section, I agree with Kautilya that it has degenerated into an argument better suited for a forum. More importantly, the current
Views sections is both poorly written (in grammatical terms) and simply not very illuminating for any reader not already immersed in the subject. So lets try to refocus the debate.
First, since Ajit Doval is (at least currently) a policy adviser, I think a views section is useful to explain the ideas and doctrines he is associated with and has propagated. So the next steps are to (a) find the best available sources on the topic, and (b) summarize them accurately. Will appreciate your help on findng sources; ideally looking for comprehensive and independent secondary sources; and analytic pieces rather than plain news stories or interviews. On a quick search found
this Indian Express article that summarizes Doval's writings on various policy issues. Are there other similar or better sources, especially in scholarly literature or in policy magazines?
Abecedare (
talk)
16:33, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
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help)Why is my edit constantly being deleted?
I have provided sources for the widely believed media story that Doval was "undercover" in Pakistan, and how he has described his time there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhulandhar ( talk • contribs) 02:11, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Dream Shaniyadav2110 ( talk) 09:41, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
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Article seems to be an attempt to glorify some person ajit doval of no consequence.Article be deleted. Debashishh 13:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
An excellent writer must meet some criterias like: his writings must appear at multiple places or his ideas must also find an echo somewhere else. Ajit Kumar Doval meets these criterias. His articles have not only appeared in the Times of India but also on other internationally renowned much respected scholastic websites such as [ [1]].For instance his article on strategic affairs titled "Impending Storm" -[ [2]]
Kushwah 10:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I totally agree with you. Krishna Kaasyap 07:43, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
The external links section was way too long, so I'm moving it here in its entirety. The bulk of the links that I clicked through, such as news coverage that mentions him, is not appropriate in external links sections unless the link adds a degree of information that is beyond the scope of the article. Individual links may be put back on a case-by-case basis if they meet our external links guidelines
Wikiseemeatwiki, Human3015, There is too much playing around with edits to the article. Please discuss the matter here and come to a consensus before doing edits. This is WP:BLP article. No views should be present in the lead section unless they are backed up by impeccable scholarly sources. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 15:50, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Human3015. I have worded the sentence as "claiming Indian leverage". The leverage stands regardless of whether something happens in future or not; it is the reaction that depends on preceding incidents. If you want, you can "quote" his exact statement after the claim to give the context. However, without quotes, it appears as a fact that Pakistan, as a state, did attack Mumbai, which is a mere allegation.
Also, in the lead section are reasons to his fame. Since we added award there which made him famous in India, for which there is a separate section, we can also add his most controversial views, for they have also given him much fame in Pakistan
Kautilya3 I had posted a link to a letter to the editor, and you have removed it. A letter to an editor is also an opinion, it goes through a vetting process and gets approved by the editorial process of a Newspaper; only that it is shorter. On what grounds did you choose to remove it? Wikiseemeatwiki ( talk) 11:57, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Human3015 Following the ethics preached above, I believe you should have initiated a talk instead of undoing the change unilaterally. Secondly, here is what Doval ACTUALLY said (listen to the talk): " You may do one Mumbai, you may lose balochistan".
First of all who is "you"? Is it Pakistani state, Pakistani intelligence agency, or non-state actors? He does not specifically reference. Yet, the text on Wikipedia had put in QUOTES: "Pakistan does one more attack like Mumbai".
Moreover, there is no global consensus that Pakistani STATE was behind the attack, as the text tried to imply by quoting Doval incorrectly.
Wikiseemeatwiki (
talk)
09:05, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
see this: 'You can do one Mumbai, you may lose Balochistan'. saddahaq.com, Retrieved 14 May 2015. Stop putting in a text which you WISH Doval had said, and leave the text which he ACTUALLY said. Wikiseemeatwiki ( talk) 09:53, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
@ Human3015 and Wikiseemeatwiki: This discussion has seriously degenerated into a forum discussion. It is extremely disruptive. Please stop it and find something else to work on. Admin Abecedare has promised to take a look here, and you should wait for his input. Cheers, Kautilya3 ( talk) 08:50, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
I was contacted about this article on my talkpage, and having read the above talkpage section, I agree with Kautilya that it has degenerated into an argument better suited for a forum. More importantly, the current
Views sections is both poorly written (in grammatical terms) and simply not very illuminating for any reader not already immersed in the subject. So lets try to refocus the debate.
First, since Ajit Doval is (at least currently) a policy adviser, I think a views section is useful to explain the ideas and doctrines he is associated with and has propagated. So the next steps are to (a) find the best available sources on the topic, and (b) summarize them accurately. Will appreciate your help on findng sources; ideally looking for comprehensive and independent secondary sources; and analytic pieces rather than plain news stories or interviews. On a quick search found
this Indian Express article that summarizes Doval's writings on various policy issues. Are there other similar or better sources, especially in scholarly literature or in policy magazines?
Abecedare (
talk)
16:33, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
: External link in |chapter=
(
help)Why is my edit constantly being deleted?
I have provided sources for the widely believed media story that Doval was "undercover" in Pakistan, and how he has described his time there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhulandhar ( talk • contribs) 02:11, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Dream Shaniyadav2110 ( talk) 09:41, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 18:08, 28 August 2021 (UTC)