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Hey this is cool. Someone should incorporate this. I have school tomorrow I can't. {{citewebMDhtdtppml.a_a}{
///www.LexisNexis.com/2011/07/how-steely-dan-got-wayne-shorter.html | title = How Steely Dan Got Wayne Shorter | work = Jazz Wax| date = 2011-07-15 | first = Marc | last = Myers }} Burnedfaceless ( talk) 22:26, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
The article on Sayoko Yamaguchi says that she was the person pictured on the cover, photographed by Hideki Fujii. Should this be added? 98.221.133.96 ( talk) 06:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I haven't missed a football game at the University of Alabama in over 15 years, and I've yet to hear Alabama play the song as a fight song. Anyone else want to stand with me to dispute this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.165.119.197 ( talk) 02:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree. I've been to every Auburn-Alabama game since 1975, and I don't recall ever hearing "Deacon Blues" played even once. 192.91.147.34 ( talk) 13:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
While I certainly won't dispute the excellence of this record or the claim that it is ambitious, I'm not so sure I'd go so far to say its their most sophisticated. Is this really the common critical opinion? Any thoughts? User:Havardj 22:30, 8 January 2006 UTC
“ | After the release of 'Gaucho' Fagen and Becker felt exhausted both musically and personally. In their minds, they reached their creative peak with 'Aja' which made the recording of 'Gaucho' an arduous challenge. | ” |
According to the Phil Hartman entry, he was the artist who did the cover art for this album. its worth mentioning in this entry if its true. Can someone confirm it and add it? -- 133.5.122.54 04:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
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The article mentions a $600 reward for the return of the multi-track master tapes of the title track. This seems oddly small. The source - which is a transcription of the liner notes - renders this as "$600.00". Can anyone with an original copy of the reissued CD confirm that this isn't a typo for $60,000? - Ashley Pomeroy ( talk) 19:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
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The article says that the SACD version was canceled, but on eBay there are some Japaneese SACDs, released June 30, 2010. Is that correct? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:22, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
There are a lot of performers on this album. Does anyone know of a source out there (anywhere) of a track-by-track personnel listing for this album? Or, any Steely Dan album, for that matter? Dan Hewins ( talk) 20:07, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
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help). The last two references have no difference whatsoever in describing the personnel". However, the broberg source says this:
Why do we have it as a soft j sound when Fagen is clearly using the hard j in the title track? Daniel Case ( talk) 05:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
I say no, but an editor reverted my removal of the Wikiproject Jazz template with the reason, "there are connections to jazz littered throughout the article, and to the topic" Now that's true. There are "connections". But "connections" to jazz doesn't make something identical to jazz, anymore than
jazzercise has anything to do with jazz because it has the word "jazz" in it. Queen made an album called
Jazz that had no jazz on it. I've been listening to Steely Dan (and reading about it) for a long time, longer than many of you have been alive. A couple weeks ago I finished reading the biography of Steely Dan by Brian Sweet. Walter Becker and Donald Fagen, the members of Steely Dan, always denied that they were a jazz band or that there were making jazz albums. They called themselves a rock band and campaigned to get themselves into the Rock and Roll of Fame, which happened. They are jazz fans. They did admit to sneaking jazz chords into their songs and of hiring jazz musicians for their albums. But this is different from recording a jazz album. Becker and Fagen did produce a jazz album, Apogee, for Warne Marsh and Pete Christlieb. I encourage people to listen to real jazz albums and compare them to Steely Dan. If you click my username, you'll see a list of jazz books. We do everyone a disservice if we continue to perpetuate the fraud that Steely Dan was a jazz band that made jazz albums, contrary to the repeated claims by Becker and Fagen. If we are not going to listen to the band members themselves, who are we listening to? Who knows better than they do? No one. The members of Wikiproject Jazz are free to decide what albums or musicians to include in Wikiproject Jazz. Let's restrict it to jazz. That's the whole point of the project.
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Vmavanti (
talk) 17:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Vmavanti, what is the downside of having a project's tag on an article that's related to that project's scope, if not fully in it? Dicklyon ( talk) 03:03, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
I can definitely see past my own nose. How else would I be capable of typing this sentence? isento ( talk) 03:45, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
An IP removed it with no explanation, then - gasp - a veteran editor! Citing a claim it's an "outlier opinion", when there's an entire subsection in the article documenting its connection to yacht rock, including at least two reliable sources that explicitly define it as such. Funny thing - the outlier opinion is actually "jazz fusion", which is attributed to only one source! I know the country's upside down right now, but .... Thoughts? @ Binksternet:, @ JG66:, @ Philly jawn: isento ( talk) 05:04, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
I would never use an offensive term like "yacht rock." Not many people do. Who does? Losers who need to tear people down to build up their own fragile egos. Narcissistic, would-be know-it-alls who prefer sarcasm to fact, the kind of people Wikipedia attracts like a magnet. You can find reliable sources using this term. So what? You can find reliable sources making mistakes every day. In America, we have a tradition of common sense that supercedes submission to authority. But it's impossible to make the argument for thinking for yourself among people who don't know how to think for themselves, people who are drawn to Wikipedia because they believe it means, "I will do your thinking for you", I will pick winners and losers for you, I will tell you what's what. This paternalism isn't merely un-American, it has no place in a reference work which claims to revere facts above all. I have argued about this article in the past, without success. The bully, the idiot, and the lunatic usually win out in the end.
Vmavanti (
talk) 12:57, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Forgiveness and compassion don't seem to be too American either... isento ( talk) 17:45, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Dude, go out and get laid. 🙄 isento ( talk) 16:55, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Or find a real job where you can actually make a difference. It's not the end of the world, or your world (i.e. America), if yacht rock stays in the infobox of a Steely Dan album article. isento ( talk) 16:58, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
I don't care. No one cares. No one cares about what you think because you're belittling anyone who disagrees with your point of view. isento ( talk) 20:43, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Now that I've highlighted those guidelines for-ya, and with them in mind, we can talk about this as proper Wikipedians. isento ( talk) 01:18, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
You may be
blocked from editing without further warning the next time you
vandalize Wikipedia.
Still up to the same old tricks, eh Dan? You changed your name but not your M.O. Same old push/pull. You've had a long run, but all things come to an end.
Vmavanti (
talk) 11:46, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Dude, seriously, either follow the same guidelines we all have to follow -- and justifiably so -- or get over this and move on. All your doing with comments like that one are creeping me out and embarrassing yourself. isento ( talk) 16:29, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
When one fights authority, the lunatics always win.InedibleHulk ( talk) 12:48, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
Who is this Dan he keeps talking about? This guy might have dementia. isento ( talk) 23:14, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
@ Sluzzelin: 1) have you bothered to read this article? I created a subsection titled "yacht rock" dedicated to reliable sources discussing this album in connection to the genre. 2) Vmavanti repeatedly dismisses the relevance of reliable sources and removes the genre from the infobox. How exactly should this be handled next time? isento ( talk) 22:13, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
How do you argue the relevance of reliable sourcing to someone who opens the discussion by refuting the idea that they even matter to begin with? And if you don't engage with them, they continue to remove the content? Your response is the equivalent of slactivism. isento ( talk) 16:20, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
You're just another preacher crowding the pulpit bro. isento ( talk) 16:21, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Damn man, what dialect of English is this? 😂 isento ( talk) 22:07, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone! I admit I got a little heated about the Aja personnel edit, so my apologies to the two editors I got in a tiff/edit war with. Please allow me to start over and explain my reasoning for why I think the Personnel section is better formatted as a track-by-track basis.
Let me know what you guys think. D1119 ( talk) 20:50, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
We actually don't need to be consistent throughout the site, since WP:MOS advocates consistency within an article. And WP:PERSONNEL says it's generally preferable to list the album's personnel in the same order that they are listed on the album packaging. Considering these two ideas, my only issue is reconciling the short list of musicians - Steely Dan and additional personnel - being presented in a different style than the track-by-track that follows in your revision, @ D1119:. isento ( talk) 22:44, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Vmavanti I really urge you to reconsider which version is more cluttered. I am not trying to argue, I simply think the way it's presented on the liner notes/listed out by song is much clearer. I love this album but it has nothing to do with that, it's simply a matter of clarity. More "data" (1000 bytes or whatever) but a lot more visually intelligible. Isento, to your point, the liner notes have the horn section/arrangement sectioned off and Fagen/Becker listed within each song (rather than separately as "Steely Dan"). Maybe we can just do it that way? D1119 ( talk) 22:59, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I would accept that. isento ( talk) 01:00, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Or you could remove yourself from the jazz project. isento ( talk) 03:05, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Isento, let's not stoop to being nasty. I want to make this right. Vmavanti, please don't use petty attacks ("for you to get what your little heart desires", really?). Instead of helping, you have resorted to pedantry and scorn. I understand that consistency is paramount, but when consistency leads to a section that is difficult to read, then it becomes an issue. Each song on Aja has a different set of musicians, so it's much clearer to see the personnel split up by song. It retains accurate information, does not clutter the page as you mentioned (I'm still not sure what you meant by this?), is closer to the liner notes of the original (and continued) packaging, and is, above all else, clearer than how it reads now. Isento and I agreed to a compromise, so I'm going to change it to that. You have not come up with a solid argument as to why it should remain as it is other than "it's like that for other albums". What about Bitches Brew? It's formatted the same way. You also haven't offered a reasonable solution: your "offer" was for me to somehow remove an apt category for the album, a clearly impossible task as proven by your previous attempt. In fact, with this suggestion, you've proven that your entire stance on this stems from a past argument that you have become bitter and obstinate about. D1119 ( talk) 03:18, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
You're not gonna unstick him from the past. He's still calling me by my username from three years ago. It's not going his way, he knows it, so he's being a dick, etc. I'm still in support of your proposed edit, given your reasoning. isento ( talk) 03:28, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Ah, I see you two have a history... Well, anywho, I reconciled both your recent undo edit with both of our suggestions. If you're happy with it, I'm happy with it. Vmavanti, I hope you are happy with it, too. D1119 ( talk) 03:43, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Wow. I woke up in the mood to masturbate, but seeing this just killed my morning woodie like a sexually frustrated lumberjack. isento ( talk) 14:02, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Well, now, just call me Steely Dan, because I'm not gonna let this get me down! isento ( talk) 14:04, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Yeah yeah, good luck with that forecast ( WP:BOOMERANG) isento ( talk) 14:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Is this a WP:PDAB with Aja!? jlwoodwa ( talk) 18:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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Hey this is cool. Someone should incorporate this. I have school tomorrow I can't. {{citewebMDhtdtppml.a_a}{
///www.LexisNexis.com/2011/07/how-steely-dan-got-wayne-shorter.html | title = How Steely Dan Got Wayne Shorter | work = Jazz Wax| date = 2011-07-15 | first = Marc | last = Myers }} Burnedfaceless ( talk) 22:26, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
The article on Sayoko Yamaguchi says that she was the person pictured on the cover, photographed by Hideki Fujii. Should this be added? 98.221.133.96 ( talk) 06:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I haven't missed a football game at the University of Alabama in over 15 years, and I've yet to hear Alabama play the song as a fight song. Anyone else want to stand with me to dispute this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.165.119.197 ( talk) 02:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree. I've been to every Auburn-Alabama game since 1975, and I don't recall ever hearing "Deacon Blues" played even once. 192.91.147.34 ( talk) 13:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
While I certainly won't dispute the excellence of this record or the claim that it is ambitious, I'm not so sure I'd go so far to say its their most sophisticated. Is this really the common critical opinion? Any thoughts? User:Havardj 22:30, 8 January 2006 UTC
“ | After the release of 'Gaucho' Fagen and Becker felt exhausted both musically and personally. In their minds, they reached their creative peak with 'Aja' which made the recording of 'Gaucho' an arduous challenge. | ” |
According to the Phil Hartman entry, he was the artist who did the cover art for this album. its worth mentioning in this entry if its true. Can someone confirm it and add it? -- 133.5.122.54 04:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
References
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help)
The article mentions a $600 reward for the return of the multi-track master tapes of the title track. This seems oddly small. The source - which is a transcription of the liner notes - renders this as "$600.00". Can anyone with an original copy of the reissued CD confirm that this isn't a typo for $60,000? - Ashley Pomeroy ( talk) 19:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Since
Allmusic have changed the syntax of their
URLs, 1 link(s) used in the article do not work anymore and can't be migrated automatically. Please use the search option on
www
-- CactusBot ( talk) 10:18, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
The article says that the SACD version was canceled, but on eBay there are some Japaneese SACDs, released June 30, 2010. Is that correct? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:22, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
There are a lot of performers on this album. Does anyone know of a source out there (anywhere) of a track-by-track personnel listing for this album? Or, any Steely Dan album, for that matter? Dan Hewins ( talk) 20:07, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
{{
cite web}}
: Unknown parameter |deadurl=
ignored (|url-status=
suggested) (
help). The last two references have no difference whatsoever in describing the personnel". However, the broberg source says this:
Why do we have it as a soft j sound when Fagen is clearly using the hard j in the title track? Daniel Case ( talk) 05:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
I say no, but an editor reverted my removal of the Wikiproject Jazz template with the reason, "there are connections to jazz littered throughout the article, and to the topic" Now that's true. There are "connections". But "connections" to jazz doesn't make something identical to jazz, anymore than
jazzercise has anything to do with jazz because it has the word "jazz" in it. Queen made an album called
Jazz that had no jazz on it. I've been listening to Steely Dan (and reading about it) for a long time, longer than many of you have been alive. A couple weeks ago I finished reading the biography of Steely Dan by Brian Sweet. Walter Becker and Donald Fagen, the members of Steely Dan, always denied that they were a jazz band or that there were making jazz albums. They called themselves a rock band and campaigned to get themselves into the Rock and Roll of Fame, which happened. They are jazz fans. They did admit to sneaking jazz chords into their songs and of hiring jazz musicians for their albums. But this is different from recording a jazz album. Becker and Fagen did produce a jazz album, Apogee, for Warne Marsh and Pete Christlieb. I encourage people to listen to real jazz albums and compare them to Steely Dan. If you click my username, you'll see a list of jazz books. We do everyone a disservice if we continue to perpetuate the fraud that Steely Dan was a jazz band that made jazz albums, contrary to the repeated claims by Becker and Fagen. If we are not going to listen to the band members themselves, who are we listening to? Who knows better than they do? No one. The members of Wikiproject Jazz are free to decide what albums or musicians to include in Wikiproject Jazz. Let's restrict it to jazz. That's the whole point of the project.
–
Vmavanti (
talk) 17:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Vmavanti, what is the downside of having a project's tag on an article that's related to that project's scope, if not fully in it? Dicklyon ( talk) 03:03, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
I can definitely see past my own nose. How else would I be capable of typing this sentence? isento ( talk) 03:45, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
An IP removed it with no explanation, then - gasp - a veteran editor! Citing a claim it's an "outlier opinion", when there's an entire subsection in the article documenting its connection to yacht rock, including at least two reliable sources that explicitly define it as such. Funny thing - the outlier opinion is actually "jazz fusion", which is attributed to only one source! I know the country's upside down right now, but .... Thoughts? @ Binksternet:, @ JG66:, @ Philly jawn: isento ( talk) 05:04, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
I would never use an offensive term like "yacht rock." Not many people do. Who does? Losers who need to tear people down to build up their own fragile egos. Narcissistic, would-be know-it-alls who prefer sarcasm to fact, the kind of people Wikipedia attracts like a magnet. You can find reliable sources using this term. So what? You can find reliable sources making mistakes every day. In America, we have a tradition of common sense that supercedes submission to authority. But it's impossible to make the argument for thinking for yourself among people who don't know how to think for themselves, people who are drawn to Wikipedia because they believe it means, "I will do your thinking for you", I will pick winners and losers for you, I will tell you what's what. This paternalism isn't merely un-American, it has no place in a reference work which claims to revere facts above all. I have argued about this article in the past, without success. The bully, the idiot, and the lunatic usually win out in the end.
Vmavanti (
talk) 12:57, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Forgiveness and compassion don't seem to be too American either... isento ( talk) 17:45, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Dude, go out and get laid. 🙄 isento ( talk) 16:55, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Or find a real job where you can actually make a difference. It's not the end of the world, or your world (i.e. America), if yacht rock stays in the infobox of a Steely Dan album article. isento ( talk) 16:58, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
I don't care. No one cares. No one cares about what you think because you're belittling anyone who disagrees with your point of view. isento ( talk) 20:43, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Now that I've highlighted those guidelines for-ya, and with them in mind, we can talk about this as proper Wikipedians. isento ( talk) 01:18, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
You may be
blocked from editing without further warning the next time you
vandalize Wikipedia.
Still up to the same old tricks, eh Dan? You changed your name but not your M.O. Same old push/pull. You've had a long run, but all things come to an end.
Vmavanti (
talk) 11:46, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Dude, seriously, either follow the same guidelines we all have to follow -- and justifiably so -- or get over this and move on. All your doing with comments like that one are creeping me out and embarrassing yourself. isento ( talk) 16:29, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
When one fights authority, the lunatics always win.InedibleHulk ( talk) 12:48, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
Who is this Dan he keeps talking about? This guy might have dementia. isento ( talk) 23:14, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
@ Sluzzelin: 1) have you bothered to read this article? I created a subsection titled "yacht rock" dedicated to reliable sources discussing this album in connection to the genre. 2) Vmavanti repeatedly dismisses the relevance of reliable sources and removes the genre from the infobox. How exactly should this be handled next time? isento ( talk) 22:13, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
How do you argue the relevance of reliable sourcing to someone who opens the discussion by refuting the idea that they even matter to begin with? And if you don't engage with them, they continue to remove the content? Your response is the equivalent of slactivism. isento ( talk) 16:20, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
You're just another preacher crowding the pulpit bro. isento ( talk) 16:21, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Damn man, what dialect of English is this? 😂 isento ( talk) 22:07, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone! I admit I got a little heated about the Aja personnel edit, so my apologies to the two editors I got in a tiff/edit war with. Please allow me to start over and explain my reasoning for why I think the Personnel section is better formatted as a track-by-track basis.
Let me know what you guys think. D1119 ( talk) 20:50, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
We actually don't need to be consistent throughout the site, since WP:MOS advocates consistency within an article. And WP:PERSONNEL says it's generally preferable to list the album's personnel in the same order that they are listed on the album packaging. Considering these two ideas, my only issue is reconciling the short list of musicians - Steely Dan and additional personnel - being presented in a different style than the track-by-track that follows in your revision, @ D1119:. isento ( talk) 22:44, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Vmavanti I really urge you to reconsider which version is more cluttered. I am not trying to argue, I simply think the way it's presented on the liner notes/listed out by song is much clearer. I love this album but it has nothing to do with that, it's simply a matter of clarity. More "data" (1000 bytes or whatever) but a lot more visually intelligible. Isento, to your point, the liner notes have the horn section/arrangement sectioned off and Fagen/Becker listed within each song (rather than separately as "Steely Dan"). Maybe we can just do it that way? D1119 ( talk) 22:59, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I would accept that. isento ( talk) 01:00, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Or you could remove yourself from the jazz project. isento ( talk) 03:05, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Isento, let's not stoop to being nasty. I want to make this right. Vmavanti, please don't use petty attacks ("for you to get what your little heart desires", really?). Instead of helping, you have resorted to pedantry and scorn. I understand that consistency is paramount, but when consistency leads to a section that is difficult to read, then it becomes an issue. Each song on Aja has a different set of musicians, so it's much clearer to see the personnel split up by song. It retains accurate information, does not clutter the page as you mentioned (I'm still not sure what you meant by this?), is closer to the liner notes of the original (and continued) packaging, and is, above all else, clearer than how it reads now. Isento and I agreed to a compromise, so I'm going to change it to that. You have not come up with a solid argument as to why it should remain as it is other than "it's like that for other albums". What about Bitches Brew? It's formatted the same way. You also haven't offered a reasonable solution: your "offer" was for me to somehow remove an apt category for the album, a clearly impossible task as proven by your previous attempt. In fact, with this suggestion, you've proven that your entire stance on this stems from a past argument that you have become bitter and obstinate about. D1119 ( talk) 03:18, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
You're not gonna unstick him from the past. He's still calling me by my username from three years ago. It's not going his way, he knows it, so he's being a dick, etc. I'm still in support of your proposed edit, given your reasoning. isento ( talk) 03:28, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Ah, I see you two have a history... Well, anywho, I reconciled both your recent undo edit with both of our suggestions. If you're happy with it, I'm happy with it. Vmavanti, I hope you are happy with it, too. D1119 ( talk) 03:43, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Wow. I woke up in the mood to masturbate, but seeing this just killed my morning woodie like a sexually frustrated lumberjack. isento ( talk) 14:02, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Well, now, just call me Steely Dan, because I'm not gonna let this get me down! isento ( talk) 14:04, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Yeah yeah, good luck with that forecast ( WP:BOOMERANG) isento ( talk) 14:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Is this a WP:PDAB with Aja!? jlwoodwa ( talk) 18:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)