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Should San Francisco be under commuter rail? Or even one-seat ride? To get from CalTrain, you have to take BART, not exactly an airport train. In addition, once you get to the airport (including if you come from elsewhere on BART) you may want to transfer to AirTrain. Simply extending AirTrain and upgrading CalTrain would have been better than SFO BART, IMO.
Milwaukee's airport is under two categories in this list: "One-seat ride via main-line train," and "Rail to bus to airport". Clearly they both can't be right. To fall into the first category, the train station ought to be in or immediately adjacent to the terminal, and a passenger ought to customarily get from one to the other on foot. Please, can someone who's actually been to Milwaukee's airport clarify the situation there? -- Jfruh 19:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
This category is getting filled up with some services that don't really belong there, IMO. It seems to me that for something to actually qualify as train-to-the-plane service but still involve a bus, that bus service ought to be a short-run service entirely dedicated to bringing passengers between the terminal and the train station. I'm thinking here of things like the MBTA's free shuttle to Logan from Airport station on the Blue Line, or the AirBART bus that travels between Coliseum/Oakland Airport station on BART and the Oakland Airport terminal. To follow up on what Jason McHuff said above: in just about any big city with a rail transit infrastructure, it's going to be possible to take a bus from a rail station to the airport, which threatens to clutter this list with services that don't really qualify as plane-to-the-train -- both things like th Dulles Airporter (which is a miles-long trip run by a private company, not Dulles or the WMATA) or the M60 in New York (which is just an ordinary city bus line that happens to connect a train station to LGA).
My proposal would be that for a train-to-bus-to-airport service to qualify for this page it would need to:
What say you all? -- Jfruh 19:18, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
New categories please! These categories are confusing. There is no need to distinguish between people movers and not using people movers, since most airports are now large, multi-terminal and involve some sort of transfer to get to one's final gate. The point should be is it rail or a lurching bus? I suggest categories in declining order of rail-ness:
Mainline Train to the airport property (either to terminals or to peoplemover)
Mainline Train to a shuttle bus to the airport terminals (dedicated shuttle, not a local public transit route)
Subway/LRT to the airport property (either to terminals or to peoplemover)
Subway/LRT to a shuttle bus to the airport terminals (dedicated shuttle, not a local public transit route)
Dedicated transitway BRT to the airport property (either to terminals or to peoplemover)
Dedicated transitway BRT to a shuttle bus to the airport terminals (dedicated shuttle, not a local public transit route)
Local express buses to the airport (too numerous to bother listing, since every city has some version of it.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.131.121.86 ( talk) 15:30, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not happy with the title Train-to-the-plane. It sounds more like a marketing term than an encyclopedic article title, and googling suggests that its use is New York specific at least to some degree. Would anyone object to retitling it to Airport rail link instead? Henning Makholm 10:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
In Helsinki there is work in progress on extending the local commuter rail service to cover the airport (estimated to be ready in a few years); as far as I know there is an entry in the Helsinki Commuter Rail section (if not in the English, than in the Finnish Wikipedia), and in Bucharest there is a direct rail link, using an existing track, to a station close to the Otopeni airport, and from there the passengers are taken by buses to the airport (the other airport in Bucharest, Băneasa, is inside the city and has direct access to several city public transportation lines). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.221.16.51 ( talk) 17:59, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Friedrihshafen airport FDH, a minor airport in Germany also has a rail link with regional trains. airport website or pdf outlining the train connections. FDH is a minor airport, but shouldn't it be included?. Ah, I'll just add it. -- 84.145.227.90 17:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
The "One-seat ride via main-line train" section starts out by describing its content as " Commuter rail-type services".
I don't think there is much commuter rail about the kind of trains that call at Frankfurt (Main) Flughafen Fernbahnhof ... in fact, for an airport served by an actual commuter rail service, I would tend to classify it as "local public transport".
How can we explain the distinction between these sections better? Is it possible to distinguish them at all? Perhaps it rather ought to be a three-way split between
Many airports have two of these, but not always the same two. Perhaps coalesce the two existing sections, and tag each item with which kinds of service exists? – Henning Makholm ( talk) 01:09, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
But its only from terminal to the main building and visa versa, dunno if it should be included.
Definition: "from an airport to a nearby city".
TGV in Paris CDG and Lyon-Saint Exupéry airports are not airport rail link considering the above definition. There are no TGV from Paris going to Paris CDG and no TGV or even trains from Lyon to Lyon-Saint Exupéry.
- For Paris CDG, there is currently the RER B, which is a commuter train / rapid transit for the suburbs of Paris. There is going to be a real airport rail link: CDG Express in 2016 (see official site). For Orly, there is the Orlyval which leads to a RER station but not to the city center of Paris. It's not widely used.
- For Lyon, there are only buses (Satobus) from Lyon to the airport (1 hour). There is also going to be a real airport rail link, RhônExpress in 2010 (25 minutes).
These are only clues to improve this article, as I'm a Frenchman not fluent in English and I could be wrong with these airport rail link. I suggest to switch from TGV to RER for Paris CDG. For Lyon, it can be removed or replace TGV by indicating RhônExpress for 2010. —Preceding
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Should San Francisco be under commuter rail? Or even one-seat ride? To get from CalTrain, you have to take BART, not exactly an airport train. In addition, once you get to the airport (including if you come from elsewhere on BART) you may want to transfer to AirTrain. Simply extending AirTrain and upgrading CalTrain would have been better than SFO BART, IMO.
Milwaukee's airport is under two categories in this list: "One-seat ride via main-line train," and "Rail to bus to airport". Clearly they both can't be right. To fall into the first category, the train station ought to be in or immediately adjacent to the terminal, and a passenger ought to customarily get from one to the other on foot. Please, can someone who's actually been to Milwaukee's airport clarify the situation there? -- Jfruh 19:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
This category is getting filled up with some services that don't really belong there, IMO. It seems to me that for something to actually qualify as train-to-the-plane service but still involve a bus, that bus service ought to be a short-run service entirely dedicated to bringing passengers between the terminal and the train station. I'm thinking here of things like the MBTA's free shuttle to Logan from Airport station on the Blue Line, or the AirBART bus that travels between Coliseum/Oakland Airport station on BART and the Oakland Airport terminal. To follow up on what Jason McHuff said above: in just about any big city with a rail transit infrastructure, it's going to be possible to take a bus from a rail station to the airport, which threatens to clutter this list with services that don't really qualify as plane-to-the-train -- both things like th Dulles Airporter (which is a miles-long trip run by a private company, not Dulles or the WMATA) or the M60 in New York (which is just an ordinary city bus line that happens to connect a train station to LGA).
My proposal would be that for a train-to-bus-to-airport service to qualify for this page it would need to:
What say you all? -- Jfruh 19:18, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
New categories please! These categories are confusing. There is no need to distinguish between people movers and not using people movers, since most airports are now large, multi-terminal and involve some sort of transfer to get to one's final gate. The point should be is it rail or a lurching bus? I suggest categories in declining order of rail-ness:
Mainline Train to the airport property (either to terminals or to peoplemover)
Mainline Train to a shuttle bus to the airport terminals (dedicated shuttle, not a local public transit route)
Subway/LRT to the airport property (either to terminals or to peoplemover)
Subway/LRT to a shuttle bus to the airport terminals (dedicated shuttle, not a local public transit route)
Dedicated transitway BRT to the airport property (either to terminals or to peoplemover)
Dedicated transitway BRT to a shuttle bus to the airport terminals (dedicated shuttle, not a local public transit route)
Local express buses to the airport (too numerous to bother listing, since every city has some version of it.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.131.121.86 ( talk) 15:30, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not happy with the title Train-to-the-plane. It sounds more like a marketing term than an encyclopedic article title, and googling suggests that its use is New York specific at least to some degree. Would anyone object to retitling it to Airport rail link instead? Henning Makholm 10:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
In Helsinki there is work in progress on extending the local commuter rail service to cover the airport (estimated to be ready in a few years); as far as I know there is an entry in the Helsinki Commuter Rail section (if not in the English, than in the Finnish Wikipedia), and in Bucharest there is a direct rail link, using an existing track, to a station close to the Otopeni airport, and from there the passengers are taken by buses to the airport (the other airport in Bucharest, Băneasa, is inside the city and has direct access to several city public transportation lines). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.221.16.51 ( talk) 17:59, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Friedrihshafen airport FDH, a minor airport in Germany also has a rail link with regional trains. airport website or pdf outlining the train connections. FDH is a minor airport, but shouldn't it be included?. Ah, I'll just add it. -- 84.145.227.90 17:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
The "One-seat ride via main-line train" section starts out by describing its content as " Commuter rail-type services".
I don't think there is much commuter rail about the kind of trains that call at Frankfurt (Main) Flughafen Fernbahnhof ... in fact, for an airport served by an actual commuter rail service, I would tend to classify it as "local public transport".
How can we explain the distinction between these sections better? Is it possible to distinguish them at all? Perhaps it rather ought to be a three-way split between
Many airports have two of these, but not always the same two. Perhaps coalesce the two existing sections, and tag each item with which kinds of service exists? – Henning Makholm ( talk) 01:09, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
But its only from terminal to the main building and visa versa, dunno if it should be included.
Definition: "from an airport to a nearby city".
TGV in Paris CDG and Lyon-Saint Exupéry airports are not airport rail link considering the above definition. There are no TGV from Paris going to Paris CDG and no TGV or even trains from Lyon to Lyon-Saint Exupéry.
- For Paris CDG, there is currently the RER B, which is a commuter train / rapid transit for the suburbs of Paris. There is going to be a real airport rail link: CDG Express in 2016 (see official site). For Orly, there is the Orlyval which leads to a RER station but not to the city center of Paris. It's not widely used.
- For Lyon, there are only buses (Satobus) from Lyon to the airport (1 hour). There is also going to be a real airport rail link, RhônExpress in 2010 (25 minutes).
These are only clues to improve this article, as I'm a Frenchman not fluent in English and I could be wrong with these airport rail link. I suggest to switch from TGV to RER for Paris CDG. For Lyon, it can be removed or replace TGV by indicating RhônExpress for 2010. —Preceding
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