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On 29 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Ai (disambiguation). The result of the discussion was not moved. |
Is there a good reason why you (near enough) reverted my previous edit? I've consulted Wikipedia:Abbr, but the problem here is that some of the meanings are real abbreviations, whilst others are words in themselves. On the guidelines page, it recommends
In this case, I don't think that is appropriate, as none of the articles for where ai is a word are particularly prominent, and therefore a disambig page would be needed anyway. I think the original split is appropriate, but would like to hear your reasoning. If I don't get a response in a day or two I will revert it, and move this comment to it's discussion page. HappyDog 02:00, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)
this does not include partial removals
Courtland 00:50, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
My wording of Game AI is a little off, I'm going to bed, but hopefully you guys can fix it.
Air ina Aminuxa43 ( talk) 14:32, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
This article is now many pages long, and lagging on supplying the 'quick and easy' navigation assistance set forth in WP:MOSDP. I think that Ai (disambiguation) and AI (disambiguation) should be separate. I have no position on whether Ai continue to be a disambiguation page versus an article. Thoughts? ENeville 20:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
IMO it would be a mistake to make substantive changes to the accompanying Dab without some brainstorming first. I'm about to start, in a separate edit w/in this section.
--
Jerzy•
t 17:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
(I started this as "Split by Casing?", but realized my error as i wrote.)
_ _ I consider to be a failure the concept of lumping the words and abbreviations together on one page, and subdividing by subject. It does not serve users' needs.
_ _ There is a general guideline at MoSDab#Introductory line reading #:
_ _ This suggests, but need not imply, that
In any case,
MoSDab#Break rules can apply here. And i expect most users to have a pretty good idea from the context, whether they are looking for a word/name or an abbreviation/initialism.
_ _ Thus my suggestion is two Dab pages:
Ai, covering everything written either Ai or ai:
AI, covering everything written otherwise, including AI, aI, and any punctuation that implies a non-word, plus any cases of Ai or ai that are not words:
BTW, i fully intend that the two pages overlap, even beyond "plus any cases of Ai or ai that are not words"; on the tip of my tongue is ".ai", which should be
--
Jerzy•
t 21:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
_ _ IMO, it is important to distinguish the uses of Dab pages in five situations of human names:
_ _ I think it is abundantly clear from
MoSDab/
Dab that Dabs must support cases 1-3.
_ _ IMO, it is desirable for Dabs to support case 4, not as part of the purpose of Dabs, but as a low-cost fringe benefit to users who prefer recognizing the given name within the Dab, over the effort of remembering, spelling, and/or typing the given name; IMO it must be done in a way that does not significantly impair cases 1-3.
_ _ There are editors who give significant effort to compiling lists of people (mostly notable ones) who share the same or related given names. IMO such lists are unencyclopedic (and harmful not just as clutter, but in encouraging other kinds of contributions motivated by forms of vanity, by catering to vanity of either of these two sorts:
But i have too little energy, and too little confidence in the feasibility of deleting those lists, to try to do much about them. I mention them here at all because of the many names beginning "Ai", which are mostly Japanese, and subject to the ambiguity of whether the first name mentioned is given or surname. I'd like to explore whether it suffices to move all the multi-word-name-of-person Ai entries into a (late!) section -- or better yet a page or two (one given names, one surnames) that can be linked (early, if any of them are surnames) from the Dab page.
--
Jerzy•
t 21:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
See the next three sections for the source of these numbers.
(There is some intentional overlap between these counts)
IMO, these numbers support the utility i was anticipating for the division between words and abbreviations, and then separating common nouns and place names from human names.
--
Jerzy•
t 21:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
(These are non-proper nouns, and single word proper names )
From a usability point of view, I'd prefer grouping by categories. Most of the time you're looking something up you have a general idea of what you're looking for (is it a person? a technology? etc.) so breaking it down per category or kind would facility fastest lookup, I think. Shinobu ( talk) 11:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Ai (あい、アイ、愛、藍、亜衣) is Japanese given name( 219.160.56.135 ( talk) 08:44, 10 July 2008 (UTC)).
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 07:55, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Rather than move to AI; given the size, wouldn't it be better to separate Ai (disambiguation) from AI (disambiguation) ? - Rod57 ( talk) 19:37, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I get it: Some high school in Delaware, Alexis I. duPont High School (whose initials should be AID anyway, it seems to me) – that qualifies as being listed in 'Ai (disambiguation)'; but the Appraisal Institute (to which I belong), the leading American organization in the field of real estate appraisal – which shows on their website that they have copyrighted "AI" (see http://www.appraisalinstitute.org/ ) – they do not. The second time I added the organization, I pointed that out; and someone still took them out of the list. What is the deal anyway? It is bad enough that I have to fight for 'notability' on albums and rock bands and artists that I have written entire articles on; but now, we have to keep the disambiguation lists short? When I first started writing in Wikipedia, it was a lot of fun; and I really felt like I was contributing. I am no big deal, but I am closing in on 3,000 edits and have written over 100 original articles. Now almost every time I put something in, somebody reverts it immediately – and just to rub it in, I get a message saying that this has happened. If you people are trying to run me off, it is working. Shocking Blue ( talk) 17:49, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) - 🔥 𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 23:29, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Ai → Ai (disambiguation) – In 2008, this page had the disambiguation name removed from the title due to WP:MDP. Given the rise of artificial intelligence, the reason no longer applies to the title and should be redirected to that article. 1989 ( talk) 16:28, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
A word is preferred to an abbreviation, for example Arm (disambiguation) over ARMwhich suggests 'Ai' is preferred over 'AI'. older ≠ wiser 02:35, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
AI is artificial intelligence, intellectual ability in machines and robots. Ai, AI or A.I. may also refer to ...It is also the target for AI (disambiguation) used as a hat note from the Artificial intelligence article. Artificial intelligence is fairly clearly the primary target for AI, however capitalised (including stops or spaces). By default, the disambiguation page is also the target for ai. WP:DABNAME states:
The title of a disambiguation page is the ambiguous term itself, provided there is no primary topic for that term. If there is a primary topic, then the tag "(disambiguation)" is added ...WP:SMALLDETAILS is a shortcut to Wikipedia:Article titles#When a spelling variant indicates a distinct topic. Ai is inherently not a distinct topic. Consequently, on considering the applicable guidance it is appropriate to add the disambiguation tag as proposed. I can also see a case exists for targeting the various permutations of ai (in that order) to the Artificial intelligence article; though that is a separate question, I see it is already raised above. Cinderella157 ( talk) 02:22, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
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On 29 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Ai (disambiguation). The result of the discussion was not moved. |
Is there a good reason why you (near enough) reverted my previous edit? I've consulted Wikipedia:Abbr, but the problem here is that some of the meanings are real abbreviations, whilst others are words in themselves. On the guidelines page, it recommends
In this case, I don't think that is appropriate, as none of the articles for where ai is a word are particularly prominent, and therefore a disambig page would be needed anyway. I think the original split is appropriate, but would like to hear your reasoning. If I don't get a response in a day or two I will revert it, and move this comment to it's discussion page. HappyDog 02:00, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)
this does not include partial removals
Courtland 00:50, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
My wording of Game AI is a little off, I'm going to bed, but hopefully you guys can fix it.
Air ina Aminuxa43 ( talk) 14:32, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
This article is now many pages long, and lagging on supplying the 'quick and easy' navigation assistance set forth in WP:MOSDP. I think that Ai (disambiguation) and AI (disambiguation) should be separate. I have no position on whether Ai continue to be a disambiguation page versus an article. Thoughts? ENeville 20:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
IMO it would be a mistake to make substantive changes to the accompanying Dab without some brainstorming first. I'm about to start, in a separate edit w/in this section.
--
Jerzy•
t 17:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
(I started this as "Split by Casing?", but realized my error as i wrote.)
_ _ I consider to be a failure the concept of lumping the words and abbreviations together on one page, and subdividing by subject. It does not serve users' needs.
_ _ There is a general guideline at MoSDab#Introductory line reading #:
_ _ This suggests, but need not imply, that
In any case,
MoSDab#Break rules can apply here. And i expect most users to have a pretty good idea from the context, whether they are looking for a word/name or an abbreviation/initialism.
_ _ Thus my suggestion is two Dab pages:
Ai, covering everything written either Ai or ai:
AI, covering everything written otherwise, including AI, aI, and any punctuation that implies a non-word, plus any cases of Ai or ai that are not words:
BTW, i fully intend that the two pages overlap, even beyond "plus any cases of Ai or ai that are not words"; on the tip of my tongue is ".ai", which should be
--
Jerzy•
t 21:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
_ _ IMO, it is important to distinguish the uses of Dab pages in five situations of human names:
_ _ I think it is abundantly clear from
MoSDab/
Dab that Dabs must support cases 1-3.
_ _ IMO, it is desirable for Dabs to support case 4, not as part of the purpose of Dabs, but as a low-cost fringe benefit to users who prefer recognizing the given name within the Dab, over the effort of remembering, spelling, and/or typing the given name; IMO it must be done in a way that does not significantly impair cases 1-3.
_ _ There are editors who give significant effort to compiling lists of people (mostly notable ones) who share the same or related given names. IMO such lists are unencyclopedic (and harmful not just as clutter, but in encouraging other kinds of contributions motivated by forms of vanity, by catering to vanity of either of these two sorts:
But i have too little energy, and too little confidence in the feasibility of deleting those lists, to try to do much about them. I mention them here at all because of the many names beginning "Ai", which are mostly Japanese, and subject to the ambiguity of whether the first name mentioned is given or surname. I'd like to explore whether it suffices to move all the multi-word-name-of-person Ai entries into a (late!) section -- or better yet a page or two (one given names, one surnames) that can be linked (early, if any of them are surnames) from the Dab page.
--
Jerzy•
t 21:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
See the next three sections for the source of these numbers.
(There is some intentional overlap between these counts)
IMO, these numbers support the utility i was anticipating for the division between words and abbreviations, and then separating common nouns and place names from human names.
--
Jerzy•
t 21:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
(These are non-proper nouns, and single word proper names )
From a usability point of view, I'd prefer grouping by categories. Most of the time you're looking something up you have a general idea of what you're looking for (is it a person? a technology? etc.) so breaking it down per category or kind would facility fastest lookup, I think. Shinobu ( talk) 11:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Ai (あい、アイ、愛、藍、亜衣) is Japanese given name( 219.160.56.135 ( talk) 08:44, 10 July 2008 (UTC)).
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 07:55, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Rather than move to AI; given the size, wouldn't it be better to separate Ai (disambiguation) from AI (disambiguation) ? - Rod57 ( talk) 19:37, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I get it: Some high school in Delaware, Alexis I. duPont High School (whose initials should be AID anyway, it seems to me) – that qualifies as being listed in 'Ai (disambiguation)'; but the Appraisal Institute (to which I belong), the leading American organization in the field of real estate appraisal – which shows on their website that they have copyrighted "AI" (see http://www.appraisalinstitute.org/ ) – they do not. The second time I added the organization, I pointed that out; and someone still took them out of the list. What is the deal anyway? It is bad enough that I have to fight for 'notability' on albums and rock bands and artists that I have written entire articles on; but now, we have to keep the disambiguation lists short? When I first started writing in Wikipedia, it was a lot of fun; and I really felt like I was contributing. I am no big deal, but I am closing in on 3,000 edits and have written over 100 original articles. Now almost every time I put something in, somebody reverts it immediately – and just to rub it in, I get a message saying that this has happened. If you people are trying to run me off, it is working. Shocking Blue ( talk) 17:49, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) - 🔥 𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 23:29, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Ai → Ai (disambiguation) – In 2008, this page had the disambiguation name removed from the title due to WP:MDP. Given the rise of artificial intelligence, the reason no longer applies to the title and should be redirected to that article. 1989 ( talk) 16:28, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
A word is preferred to an abbreviation, for example Arm (disambiguation) over ARMwhich suggests 'Ai' is preferred over 'AI'. older ≠ wiser 02:35, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
AI is artificial intelligence, intellectual ability in machines and robots. Ai, AI or A.I. may also refer to ...It is also the target for AI (disambiguation) used as a hat note from the Artificial intelligence article. Artificial intelligence is fairly clearly the primary target for AI, however capitalised (including stops or spaces). By default, the disambiguation page is also the target for ai. WP:DABNAME states:
The title of a disambiguation page is the ambiguous term itself, provided there is no primary topic for that term. If there is a primary topic, then the tag "(disambiguation)" is added ...WP:SMALLDETAILS is a shortcut to Wikipedia:Article titles#When a spelling variant indicates a distinct topic. Ai is inherently not a distinct topic. Consequently, on considering the applicable guidance it is appropriate to add the disambiguation tag as proposed. I can also see a case exists for targeting the various permutations of ai (in that order) to the Artificial intelligence article; though that is a separate question, I see it is already raised above. Cinderella157 ( talk) 02:22, 5 November 2023 (UTC)