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I'm all for this, but I'm very busy in real life. I'd like to take a straw poll to see exactly what our various opinions are, so we can fix things, and/or pick a good time to nominate this during which we can defend our work. Therefore...
I passed the article, after making some very minor edits, all to do with language. I cant make any suggestions for improvement, since I'm not an expert in the field, but I see no reason why it shouldnt make FA as is. Great work! Druworos 14:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
For some reason, the tomb equipment of Ahhotep is not showing up, even though it's still in the actual code of the page... Does anyone know exactly why? Thanatosimii 00:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Is a creepy mummy photo really the best thing to use for the front page image of this guy? I mean, sure, its him... but thats kinda like putting a jar of ashes as the photo for Gandhi, aint it? Murple 01:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I concur. As soon as I saw this I was a little creeped out. It's like using autopsy photos of JFK off of rotten.com for his article. 68.55.58.183 03:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Could someone fix the Ahhotep dab? I'm not sure which queen is supposed to be. -- Brand спойт 00:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible to put the info box on the right? Some pharoah articles have these and it seems a neater way to get to the textual information quickly. If this wall-to-wall layout is not 'style' and putting it on the right is, can someone change it and explain how it's done please? Julia Rossi 00:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Has this connection ever been entertained? certainly a Pharoah under the name Ahmoses, leading nearly 100,000 semites thru the desert to Canaan might possibly have lead an impression on later generations? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.215.154.31 ( talk) 05:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC). -- 71.215.154.31 05:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
It has not been seriously entertained by scholars, although some non scholars produced a documentary about it. Further, Ahmose's army could not have been near 100,000. Minor raid at best. Thanatosimii 05:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Have you seen the history channel special on Moses being during this pharoah's reign? "The Exodus decoded"
Moses of the Bible was seen as a liberator of the Hebrews. Amoses I, was seen as a liberator of the Egyptians.
Moses freed the Hebrews from bondage, and led them through the desert to Canaan. Amoses I, freed the Egyptians from Semite bondage, and expelled the Semites from Egypt through the desert into Canaan.
The names "Amoses", and "Moses" are identical names. Historical Kernels indicate we are talking about the same man, a figure who had profound effect on the ancestors of the Hebrews and Canaanites--and was reshaped for religious and political needs of the time. -- 71.215.154.31 23:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Jehovas Eyewitness have said the exode was in 1513 bevor our timeline. But the name mose and Ahmose are not the same. In the new translation the pharaons are not named.
Rene nguyen 2008-04-14 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.62.229.47 ( talk) 10:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
The new photo of Ahmose's statue looks great now, however the location where it says it comes from is not one of the three places which have statues according to the article. I have to wonder, is it the source which is incorrect, and has the wrong locations, or is it simply out of date and this is a fourth piece of statuary? Thanatosimii 21:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
"It was he who confronted Moses, many evidence are found in cairo museum today... most shocking is his stela,now lies in the basement of Cairo museum, which tells the whole incident of darkness, hail ,sea turning to blood, locust ,and in wich order it came just as the bible state.. evidence sorrounding his pyramids tombs ,his empire basicaly, concludes that the Exodus indeed happen... also he kept a journal like monument telling the whole story in his point of view... by the way if you translate Ahmose in hebrew, it means the brother of Moses"
Any reason to keep this anon. contribution to the sum of human knowledge? Lou 01:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible to have a normal size info box...I came to this page and looked really wrong 172.213.201.227 21:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm just putting this up for future reference. I'm hoping this doesn't actually warrant a discussion. This thing came up in the thoroughly debunked 'Exodus Decoded' documentary. Apparently, in Hebrew 'Ah' means brother, and 'Mose' means Moses, which is used to support the conjecture that Ahmose I was the pharaoh of the Exodus. There are numerous problems with this claim:
1. The actual hieroglyphics in the guy's name read
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The name is traditionally read by Egyptologists today as Yahmes. 'Ahmose' is a mangled obsolete misreading of the name, still used traditionally. The actual pronunciation during the pharaoh's lifetime could have been different. Still, Yahmes has nothing to do with Hebrew Ah Mose, and means something like 'moon born' or 'moon is born', etc.
2. Even the very Hebrew conjecture is suspect, since Moses is an English version of the Greek variant of the traditionally Hebrew Mosheh. Egyptian would have differentiated between 's' and 'sh' in Mose / Mosheh. ---
3. Absolutely no other research points to Ahmose's reign of 1550–1525 BC as the supposed time of the Exodus, and research used by the documentary has been universally rejected not just by the scientific community, but even by biblical scholars convinced that each word of the Bible is the literal truth.
It's really sad that the History Channel continues to run this fiction. Nice production values, but a complete mockery of science. It's mind boggling. Sad to see wikipedia get polluted with this nonsense. Flyboy Will ( talk) 00:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC) ---
The Egyptian name is spelled in Egyptian hieroglyphs with a crescent moon, which makes it clear that it refers to the Egyptian word for Moon, certainly not to the Hebrew word for "brother" (which is akh - with a guttural sound that is not in the Egyptian name). Furthermore, the name is given to Egyptian nobility of both genders and various centuries. In short: The claim of the name being related to Moses is nonsensical. Das Baz 17:28, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
4.248.217.40 ( talk) 14:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
References
OK, folks, (men, women, (and the young and bold)), here are some facts:
first, there was "Kamose", pharaoh-(Ka-Mes)
then, there was Ahmose-(Ah-Mes)
I was going to start defending the name 'Moon-Born', but here is my
Epiphany (feeling), (which is actually:
Epiphany (realiazation)). ...Since these two fellows followed one another: 'Ka-Born' , then 'Ah-Born' , there was probably some focus on some society changes. "Ka-(spirit)-Born", implies this 'heavenly', ethereal, untouchable stuff, but switching to something we see, and feel, a monthly moon that goes through its changes of getting brighter and weaker (during its closest approaches in orbits, I think the recent numbers given are: up to 14 percent larger (at close approach), and 30 percent brighter)),....
...it might be totally easier to think of "Moon-Born" as a return to Earthly problems and responsibilities. (If a society only focusses on the religion, and untouchable, ethereal stuff, then the problems of an organized, agricultural, political, human society, may get ignored). I am Not saying the Moon-Born is a better name for "Ah-mose I". I am saying: His name is 'Moon-Born'; he followed a predecessor named: 'Spirit-Born' .
An evaluation of these pharaohs, their "states of the Union"-(of ancient Egypt), could sway opinions, ..about their names. (From the HotDesert..SonoranDesertArizona)..
Mmcannis (
talk) 15:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I fixed the link problems that a bot was complaining about at the top of this page. I removed the references to Iah, because while iah may be the Egyptian word in Ahmose's name, it's not necessarily the specific moon god intended; I've seen scholars wonder if the "moon" in question might really be a reference to Thoth, given the later Thutmosids. There also doesn't seem to be a specific place in mummy which it would be appropriate to section-link, so I removed the broken section links entirely. Thanatosimii ( talk) 18:10, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
A 2010 article in Archaeometry shows that the Hyksos expulsion comes very near the time of the explosion of Thera. For Ahmose to be involved, he cannot have reigned in the 1500s BCE. If you can get hold of the following in a university library or through interlibrary loan, read it. I paid to get a copy and it was worth every penny. Manning, S.W., and B. Kromer, “Radiocarbon Dating Archaeological Samples In The Eastern Mediterranean, 1730 To 1480 Bc: Further Exploring The Atmospheric Radiocarbon Calibration Record And The Archaeological Implications”, Archaeometry, Vol. 53, Issue 2, pp. 413-439, April 2011 4.248.217.40 ( talk) 14:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
100.15.117.207 ( talk) 19:21, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
The syllable Ah in the name Ahmose is a theophoric syllable. Ahmose I. was the first pharao in the ruling dynasty which was named after him, the Ahmosides. The deity of this ruling dynasty was Iah, a moon deity.
Theoporic syllables were very common in ancient Egypt. See: Ramesses_I Ra-moses -> Born of Ra and not Born of the Sun
-- Basti Schneider ( talk) 17:30, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
The picture for the Conquest of the Hyksos section is not Ahmose I and the Hyksos, but actually a depiction of Ramesses II at the battle of Kadesh, taken from a modern mural. It also appears incorrectly labelled in a few other articles, there I’d suggest changing ‘Hyksos’ to ‘Hittites’ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.225.93.152 ( talk) 21:46, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
After it is clear now, that Senakhtenre had the nomen Ahmose, we should rename the article to Ahmose II. 82.16.170.193 ( talk) 03:56, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
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Was this actually the pharaoh that Moses dealt with,as stated in the History Channels
Decoding the Exodus?
Is the Hebrew translation of Ahmose really (Brother of Moses)?
Hebrew didn't exist at the time of Ahmose, I'm not sure that is the right question.-- Doug Weller ( talk) 10:17, 18 March 2008 (UTC) What is the hebrew translation of Kamose , Ahmose's older brother and was his name changed?
Where might I be able to see a picture of the golden artifact in the greek museum depicting the ark of the covenant? I have found pictures showing the parting of the sea there,National Archaeological Museum of Athens Greece.(online) Will most of the text of this dynasty need changed to reflect the findings found in the ( Decoding of the Exodus )?
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Should we add an Ahmose in Literature section, or put it in its own section, or... something? I'm not sure erat the usual protocol here is. It's a very interesting claim from a very ancient source (and interestingly, Ahmose's Crown Prince did predecease him, just like according to Moses.) I don't want to make this into a theological discussion, I just think that it's an important enough claim (thousands of years old, and from an ancient historian) to add to his page, but I'm not sure how/where to do it. Tabbycatlove ( talk) 05:49, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
The official accepted scholarship here ignores most of this information from Manetho. Even here in the article it says "all we know about this comes from the mathematical papyrus", which is false, much more is learned from the Manetho epitome than goes in to the conclusion reached by the scholars presented here on the matter. The relation between the Hyksos and Joseph and his people sojourning in egypt and their expulsion with the Exodus it is blatant, and it is systematically downplayed by scholars. The biblical chronology places Joseph the sojourn and the Exodus exactly parallel to where the Egyptian chronology places the story of the Hyksos. I have never seen people so afraid that something so obviously true might actually be true. 2600:1004:B05B:1D18:15E3:7AD6:EC65:9B24 ( talk) 21:29, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
G'day all, there appear to be a few parts of this article that aren't referenced. Given that the article is currently rated as a featured article, I think it is pretty important that this gets rectified, if possible. As such, I have marked where I think more citations are needed with Cn tags, with this edit: [5] If there is anyone who is able to assist with adding these, I am sure the effort would be greatly appreciated. @ Cplakidas and Iazyges: G'day, not sure if you can help, but figured I'd ask given that you may have some references applicable to this area based on other articles you have edited in the past. Thanks for your time. Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 06:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@ Iazyges: are you interested in returning to address the rest of the citation needed templates? If not, would you like to notice this and start the FAR process? Z1720 ( talk) 02:49, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
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I'm all for this, but I'm very busy in real life. I'd like to take a straw poll to see exactly what our various opinions are, so we can fix things, and/or pick a good time to nominate this during which we can defend our work. Therefore...
I passed the article, after making some very minor edits, all to do with language. I cant make any suggestions for improvement, since I'm not an expert in the field, but I see no reason why it shouldnt make FA as is. Great work! Druworos 14:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
For some reason, the tomb equipment of Ahhotep is not showing up, even though it's still in the actual code of the page... Does anyone know exactly why? Thanatosimii 00:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Is a creepy mummy photo really the best thing to use for the front page image of this guy? I mean, sure, its him... but thats kinda like putting a jar of ashes as the photo for Gandhi, aint it? Murple 01:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I concur. As soon as I saw this I was a little creeped out. It's like using autopsy photos of JFK off of rotten.com for his article. 68.55.58.183 03:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Could someone fix the Ahhotep dab? I'm not sure which queen is supposed to be. -- Brand спойт 00:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible to put the info box on the right? Some pharoah articles have these and it seems a neater way to get to the textual information quickly. If this wall-to-wall layout is not 'style' and putting it on the right is, can someone change it and explain how it's done please? Julia Rossi 00:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Has this connection ever been entertained? certainly a Pharoah under the name Ahmoses, leading nearly 100,000 semites thru the desert to Canaan might possibly have lead an impression on later generations? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.215.154.31 ( talk) 05:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC). -- 71.215.154.31 05:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
It has not been seriously entertained by scholars, although some non scholars produced a documentary about it. Further, Ahmose's army could not have been near 100,000. Minor raid at best. Thanatosimii 05:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Have you seen the history channel special on Moses being during this pharoah's reign? "The Exodus decoded"
Moses of the Bible was seen as a liberator of the Hebrews. Amoses I, was seen as a liberator of the Egyptians.
Moses freed the Hebrews from bondage, and led them through the desert to Canaan. Amoses I, freed the Egyptians from Semite bondage, and expelled the Semites from Egypt through the desert into Canaan.
The names "Amoses", and "Moses" are identical names. Historical Kernels indicate we are talking about the same man, a figure who had profound effect on the ancestors of the Hebrews and Canaanites--and was reshaped for religious and political needs of the time. -- 71.215.154.31 23:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Jehovas Eyewitness have said the exode was in 1513 bevor our timeline. But the name mose and Ahmose are not the same. In the new translation the pharaons are not named.
Rene nguyen 2008-04-14 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.62.229.47 ( talk) 10:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
The new photo of Ahmose's statue looks great now, however the location where it says it comes from is not one of the three places which have statues according to the article. I have to wonder, is it the source which is incorrect, and has the wrong locations, or is it simply out of date and this is a fourth piece of statuary? Thanatosimii 21:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
"It was he who confronted Moses, many evidence are found in cairo museum today... most shocking is his stela,now lies in the basement of Cairo museum, which tells the whole incident of darkness, hail ,sea turning to blood, locust ,and in wich order it came just as the bible state.. evidence sorrounding his pyramids tombs ,his empire basicaly, concludes that the Exodus indeed happen... also he kept a journal like monument telling the whole story in his point of view... by the way if you translate Ahmose in hebrew, it means the brother of Moses"
Any reason to keep this anon. contribution to the sum of human knowledge? Lou 01:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible to have a normal size info box...I came to this page and looked really wrong 172.213.201.227 21:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm just putting this up for future reference. I'm hoping this doesn't actually warrant a discussion. This thing came up in the thoroughly debunked 'Exodus Decoded' documentary. Apparently, in Hebrew 'Ah' means brother, and 'Mose' means Moses, which is used to support the conjecture that Ahmose I was the pharaoh of the Exodus. There are numerous problems with this claim:
1. The actual hieroglyphics in the guy's name read
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The name is traditionally read by Egyptologists today as Yahmes. 'Ahmose' is a mangled obsolete misreading of the name, still used traditionally. The actual pronunciation during the pharaoh's lifetime could have been different. Still, Yahmes has nothing to do with Hebrew Ah Mose, and means something like 'moon born' or 'moon is born', etc.
2. Even the very Hebrew conjecture is suspect, since Moses is an English version of the Greek variant of the traditionally Hebrew Mosheh. Egyptian would have differentiated between 's' and 'sh' in Mose / Mosheh. ---
3. Absolutely no other research points to Ahmose's reign of 1550–1525 BC as the supposed time of the Exodus, and research used by the documentary has been universally rejected not just by the scientific community, but even by biblical scholars convinced that each word of the Bible is the literal truth.
It's really sad that the History Channel continues to run this fiction. Nice production values, but a complete mockery of science. It's mind boggling. Sad to see wikipedia get polluted with this nonsense. Flyboy Will ( talk) 00:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC) ---
The Egyptian name is spelled in Egyptian hieroglyphs with a crescent moon, which makes it clear that it refers to the Egyptian word for Moon, certainly not to the Hebrew word for "brother" (which is akh - with a guttural sound that is not in the Egyptian name). Furthermore, the name is given to Egyptian nobility of both genders and various centuries. In short: The claim of the name being related to Moses is nonsensical. Das Baz 17:28, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
4.248.217.40 ( talk) 14:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
References
OK, folks, (men, women, (and the young and bold)), here are some facts:
first, there was "Kamose", pharaoh-(Ka-Mes)
then, there was Ahmose-(Ah-Mes)
I was going to start defending the name 'Moon-Born', but here is my
Epiphany (feeling), (which is actually:
Epiphany (realiazation)). ...Since these two fellows followed one another: 'Ka-Born' , then 'Ah-Born' , there was probably some focus on some society changes. "Ka-(spirit)-Born", implies this 'heavenly', ethereal, untouchable stuff, but switching to something we see, and feel, a monthly moon that goes through its changes of getting brighter and weaker (during its closest approaches in orbits, I think the recent numbers given are: up to 14 percent larger (at close approach), and 30 percent brighter)),....
...it might be totally easier to think of "Moon-Born" as a return to Earthly problems and responsibilities. (If a society only focusses on the religion, and untouchable, ethereal stuff, then the problems of an organized, agricultural, political, human society, may get ignored). I am Not saying the Moon-Born is a better name for "Ah-mose I". I am saying: His name is 'Moon-Born'; he followed a predecessor named: 'Spirit-Born' .
An evaluation of these pharaohs, their "states of the Union"-(of ancient Egypt), could sway opinions, ..about their names. (From the HotDesert..SonoranDesertArizona)..
Mmcannis (
talk) 15:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I fixed the link problems that a bot was complaining about at the top of this page. I removed the references to Iah, because while iah may be the Egyptian word in Ahmose's name, it's not necessarily the specific moon god intended; I've seen scholars wonder if the "moon" in question might really be a reference to Thoth, given the later Thutmosids. There also doesn't seem to be a specific place in mummy which it would be appropriate to section-link, so I removed the broken section links entirely. Thanatosimii ( talk) 18:10, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
A 2010 article in Archaeometry shows that the Hyksos expulsion comes very near the time of the explosion of Thera. For Ahmose to be involved, he cannot have reigned in the 1500s BCE. If you can get hold of the following in a university library or through interlibrary loan, read it. I paid to get a copy and it was worth every penny. Manning, S.W., and B. Kromer, “Radiocarbon Dating Archaeological Samples In The Eastern Mediterranean, 1730 To 1480 Bc: Further Exploring The Atmospheric Radiocarbon Calibration Record And The Archaeological Implications”, Archaeometry, Vol. 53, Issue 2, pp. 413-439, April 2011 4.248.217.40 ( talk) 14:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
100.15.117.207 ( talk) 19:21, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
The syllable Ah in the name Ahmose is a theophoric syllable. Ahmose I. was the first pharao in the ruling dynasty which was named after him, the Ahmosides. The deity of this ruling dynasty was Iah, a moon deity.
Theoporic syllables were very common in ancient Egypt. See: Ramesses_I Ra-moses -> Born of Ra and not Born of the Sun
-- Basti Schneider ( talk) 17:30, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
The picture for the Conquest of the Hyksos section is not Ahmose I and the Hyksos, but actually a depiction of Ramesses II at the battle of Kadesh, taken from a modern mural. It also appears incorrectly labelled in a few other articles, there I’d suggest changing ‘Hyksos’ to ‘Hittites’ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.225.93.152 ( talk) 21:46, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
After it is clear now, that Senakhtenre had the nomen Ahmose, we should rename the article to Ahmose II. 82.16.170.193 ( talk) 03:56, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Ahmose I/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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Was this actually the pharaoh that Moses dealt with,as stated in the History Channels
Decoding the Exodus?
Is the Hebrew translation of Ahmose really (Brother of Moses)?
Hebrew didn't exist at the time of Ahmose, I'm not sure that is the right question.-- Doug Weller ( talk) 10:17, 18 March 2008 (UTC) What is the hebrew translation of Kamose , Ahmose's older brother and was his name changed?
Where might I be able to see a picture of the golden artifact in the greek museum depicting the ark of the covenant? I have found pictures showing the parting of the sea there,National Archaeological Museum of Athens Greece.(online) Will most of the text of this dynasty need changed to reflect the findings found in the ( Decoding of the Exodus )?
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Should we add an Ahmose in Literature section, or put it in its own section, or... something? I'm not sure erat the usual protocol here is. It's a very interesting claim from a very ancient source (and interestingly, Ahmose's Crown Prince did predecease him, just like according to Moses.) I don't want to make this into a theological discussion, I just think that it's an important enough claim (thousands of years old, and from an ancient historian) to add to his page, but I'm not sure how/where to do it. Tabbycatlove ( talk) 05:49, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
The official accepted scholarship here ignores most of this information from Manetho. Even here in the article it says "all we know about this comes from the mathematical papyrus", which is false, much more is learned from the Manetho epitome than goes in to the conclusion reached by the scholars presented here on the matter. The relation between the Hyksos and Joseph and his people sojourning in egypt and their expulsion with the Exodus it is blatant, and it is systematically downplayed by scholars. The biblical chronology places Joseph the sojourn and the Exodus exactly parallel to where the Egyptian chronology places the story of the Hyksos. I have never seen people so afraid that something so obviously true might actually be true. 2600:1004:B05B:1D18:15E3:7AD6:EC65:9B24 ( talk) 21:29, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
G'day all, there appear to be a few parts of this article that aren't referenced. Given that the article is currently rated as a featured article, I think it is pretty important that this gets rectified, if possible. As such, I have marked where I think more citations are needed with Cn tags, with this edit: [5] If there is anyone who is able to assist with adding these, I am sure the effort would be greatly appreciated. @ Cplakidas and Iazyges: G'day, not sure if you can help, but figured I'd ask given that you may have some references applicable to this area based on other articles you have edited in the past. Thanks for your time. Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 06:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@ Iazyges: are you interested in returning to address the rest of the citation needed templates? If not, would you like to notice this and start the FAR process? Z1720 ( talk) 02:49, 22 October 2022 (UTC)