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What's so historical about The Distillers?
Whats with all the talk of 'best work' about all the early albums and then the talk of selling out. It's not written in a generic style - it's all very subjective and without any references. Sounds like someone with a grudge. Fuck-off Hipsters. -- ben
The point of wikipedia is to represent a neutral point of view. It is clearly not universially known that Reinventing Axel Rose represents the band’s best work, music is subjective after all. Furthermore, wikipedia is not a place to discuss whether or not a band has "sold out". My own irrelevant opinion on the matter is that anyone who actually cares what label a band is signed to, needs to stop, and reevaluate their priorities. As well, it's quite clear that "everything stated in the articles" is NOT backed up by "legit sources", as there are only 3 sources, one of which only concerns the bands genre, the other the coffee house incident, the third only discusses the fan base’s reaction to the release of New Wave. Jacknife737 ( talk) 07:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that Against Me! as Tom Gabel's solo work started in college apartment complexes. My understanding is that he started it while still in Naples (a number of my friends recall seeing him playing outside of shows, and sometimes seeing them with Tom and various people on buckets)
I doubt that this statement in the article is true and should be changed or cited, because if it's false, it obviously doesn't belong in the article. KurtFF8 05:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
While it is true that Against Me! started in Naples, I was at the laundromat show, which was at College Manor Apartments in Gainesville on a Thursday night in fall 2000.
I, too, was at that show at College Manor Apartments in late 2000. AM! played with David Dondero, Sexual Chocolate, and the show was organized by Mikey Hot Sauce of Hot Sauce Records who lived in the complex at the time. Unfortunately, I don't have the flyer anymore. Mcas ( talk) 05:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I was at that laundromat show too and no one hated them, contrary to popular belief. In fact, the host of the CMC Poetry Jam (of which I was host for a year and a half) truncated that night's Jam to encourage everyone in attendance to go see Against Me!. Tom and Kevin rocked that laundromat with a fiddle player named James, if I'm not mistaken. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crashsites ( talk • contribs) 06:26, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Going to take that link from the External links... it2's just weird and irrevelant in my opinion. QzarBaron 21:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I've seen people say here and on the WTO Ministerial Conference of 1999 protest activity page say that "Baby I'm an Anarchist" is tounge-in-cheek or sarcastic. Is there any evidence of that? I thought it was serious, a bit funny, but serious. So do at least two of my friends? Perhaps my being an anarchist biases me into actually thinking it's serious, but yeah... The Ungovernable Force 04:08, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
He's obviously not an anarchist anymore, since he deals with those fucking bastards on MTV and FUSE- FionMacCumhail 07:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- FionMacCumhail 03:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I already changed it, but I'm having second thoughts... perhaps the best description would be "hyperbolic" - that way, regardless of whether it's toungue in cheek or not, people will realise it's not to be taken too literally.. -- naught101 09:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Against Me! will be releasing a live CD entitled "Americans Abroad!!! Against Me!!! Live in London!!!" This is the bands "goodbye" album to fat wreck chords so to speak. It will feature a new song called "Americans Abroad."
Who's this Vanessa character? I'm not saying she doesn't exist but whereas all the "Associates" are well established as working for the band (see the We're Not Going Home DVD), I've never seen mention of her before. Perhaps an interview link or something would be helpful.-- AgainstSteve 17:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
She could be the female voice in the song "Baby, I'm an Anarchist." If she isn't... Who is?
I know it's quite late, but the female Anarchist vocalist is Cassidy Rist from one of Tom's former bands. She also co-wrote the song. Nowah Balloon 07:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Anyone else remember Tom's old Naples band Adversaries? Smart Mark Greene 00:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC
yeah but i didnt know it was tom gabel till about 2 days ago. lol
okay i love Against Me but what dummy has the nearve to call them folk punk? I mean come on!! folk and punk as a combined genera? thats almost as smart as miltary intelgence. Against me kicks ass but i demand a rethinking of the critics. _peace_love_unity_ CHECK OUT ANTI-FLAG IF YOU LIKE AM! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Razor romance ( talk • contribs).
^^you are stupid.^^ ^^ ^^
Whoever was bringing up the issue of Against Me! not being a "folk punk band"... look up on the bands MySpace, they classify themselves as a "folk punk" band. Wow.
You know a band sucks with you got Anti-flag fans telling you shit about it. God I love WIKI! —Preceding
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^^^^^^ Agreed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.45.250 ( talk) 04:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Ok I like Anti-Flag and I see absolutely NO RELATION between these two bands other than they each play on a different branch of the punk family tree. If Against Me! was anything I think it would be Folk Punk or Punkabilly/Rockabilly. I Dont agree with them being just punk like it states right now. -- Blckhawk1234 ( talk) 15:13, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
I spent five minutes on Google and found these articles which all describe Against Me! as folk punk. [2] [3] [4] [5] -- Blckhawk1234 ( talk) 16:20, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
i don't consider this band as an anarkopunk band. Is it ok to remove it from that category? thanks for your input. Cacuija ( my talk) 03:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
After listening to the new album "folk punk" is a bit of a misnomer. I could accept that up to the point of "Searching or a Former Clarity" but with that album and "New Wave" it's pretty clear that it's much more indie and/or alternative than punk at all.
Yeah chill out there like punk rock with a twist. Cause punk rock is usually 3 chords and Against me isnt like that —Preceding
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Seems like a pretty biased thing to say. If anything they're embarassing to say out loud.
The "Type of Music" section is fairly subjective, and written very strangely. Also, I think the author of that section was confusing "soft rock" with "folk rock". I'd say that bit either needs to be wiped out, or cleaned up (ie. citing the comparison to Bob Dylan). Jeridus 21:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know if that's the correct spelling of that guy's name? I'm not seeing any reference to a Tom Serick in relation to Against Me!...other than a link to this article. --adamh 11:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
On the "Freegan" article, it says the drummer wrote a pamphlet in 1999 advocating freeganism as an appropriate lifestyle. It certainly goes to the politics of the band, and so I figured it could be included somewhere in the article. Whatcha think? 72.78.179.244 ( talk) 22:21, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm a little shocked that Tom Gabel doesn't have his own article. With all of the interviews available, the arrest, and marrying Heather Hannoura, one would think that it would be fairly easy to do (and interesting to read). Somebody should get bored and make one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.184.251 ( talk) 05:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
How can I stop Tom Gabels name from being redirected to the Against Me article when you search his name, so that I can make one specifically for him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam Wanamaker ( talk • contribs) 01:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
TrafficHaze,
Hey man. We seem to be going back and forth here with the edits. What's up? I don't know what your aversion is to the house show entry...but maybe if you clearly stated it...i could respond and through communication we could find something that suits us both?
Here's what i'm trying to do: include the house show entry in the broader against me page, with an accompanying picture from said house show. I'm new to wiki, dunno exactly how to do stuff....but i've uploaded a picture from the show over at the commons and was trying to include that in my latest edit. I don't think I did that correctly. Maybe, since you're obviously more well versed in wiki, you could do this for me? Obviously you have some sort of standard that i'm not meeting...otherwise the entry would have stayed. I hope we can correct this and come to terms with eachother.
Furthermore, If possible, I have a bevy of decent-quality images from the house show, maybe we could throwup a gallery? It would be cool looking, and I hope any personal opinions you have on the aesthetics of the page don't interfere with making the most visual/textual information available to the public. I know lots of people have intense, passionate feelings about AM! and things can get heated quite easily.
Hopefully you'll respond and we can work something out. I'm sure we're both tired of the faceless back and forth edits. I think the event itself is of enough significance to warrant a spot on the page, and that the accompanying picture/pictures is/are good enough as well. Please respond, I don't know how else to contact you. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vosentreste ( talk • contribs) 05:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Today Gabel publicly came out as transgender and announced his intention to live as a woman, eventually taking the name Laura Jane Grace. I won't bother providing a source, since it's all over the music news right now (Rolling Stone is running the exclusive, I believe). Before the inevitable barrage of IPs and SPAs hit the article, I think a few things should be hammered out:
It may be worth considering semi-protecting the article to prevent the inevitable onslaught of vandalism/unconstructive edits. -- IllaZilla ( talk) 05:11, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Hey folks, I can't edit this page as it is locked, so I just wanted to request that someone add a comma to the second to last sentence.
"That May Gabel publicly came out as transgender, having dealt with gender dysphoria for years." With those three capitalized words in a row, I had to read it several times to figure out that it meant the month of May, rather than addressing Gabel as May Gabel, as though that was the new name she has chosen. I suggest, "That May, Gabel" or even, "On May 9th, Gabel"
Just a suggestion for readability 72.74.134.42 ( talk) 00:02, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
I wanted to bring this up in case anybody opposes it, but somebody changed all of the references to "Tom Gabel" in every related article to "Laura Jane Grace." While that's fine for Transgender Dysphoria Blues and anything post-transition, the use of "Laura Jane Grace" in, say, " I Was a Teenage Anarchist" is factually wrong. For instance, this section: "The music video for the song features Laura Jane Grace in traditional punk clothing running through a park being chased by a police officer." This is incorrect, since it leads the reader to believe that the video features Grace post-transition, when in fact she was still Tom Gabel when it was filmed. The same goes for all of the album credits. In each of the album, Grace was still credited as "Tom Gabel," and wasn't credited as "Laura Jane Grace" until the most recent album. So unless anyone has any reasonable objections, I'll be changing these back shortly. Rwiggum ( Talk/ Contrib) 09:21, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
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What's so historical about The Distillers?
Whats with all the talk of 'best work' about all the early albums and then the talk of selling out. It's not written in a generic style - it's all very subjective and without any references. Sounds like someone with a grudge. Fuck-off Hipsters. -- ben
The point of wikipedia is to represent a neutral point of view. It is clearly not universially known that Reinventing Axel Rose represents the band’s best work, music is subjective after all. Furthermore, wikipedia is not a place to discuss whether or not a band has "sold out". My own irrelevant opinion on the matter is that anyone who actually cares what label a band is signed to, needs to stop, and reevaluate their priorities. As well, it's quite clear that "everything stated in the articles" is NOT backed up by "legit sources", as there are only 3 sources, one of which only concerns the bands genre, the other the coffee house incident, the third only discusses the fan base’s reaction to the release of New Wave. Jacknife737 ( talk) 07:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that Against Me! as Tom Gabel's solo work started in college apartment complexes. My understanding is that he started it while still in Naples (a number of my friends recall seeing him playing outside of shows, and sometimes seeing them with Tom and various people on buckets)
I doubt that this statement in the article is true and should be changed or cited, because if it's false, it obviously doesn't belong in the article. KurtFF8 05:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
While it is true that Against Me! started in Naples, I was at the laundromat show, which was at College Manor Apartments in Gainesville on a Thursday night in fall 2000.
I, too, was at that show at College Manor Apartments in late 2000. AM! played with David Dondero, Sexual Chocolate, and the show was organized by Mikey Hot Sauce of Hot Sauce Records who lived in the complex at the time. Unfortunately, I don't have the flyer anymore. Mcas ( talk) 05:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I was at that laundromat show too and no one hated them, contrary to popular belief. In fact, the host of the CMC Poetry Jam (of which I was host for a year and a half) truncated that night's Jam to encourage everyone in attendance to go see Against Me!. Tom and Kevin rocked that laundromat with a fiddle player named James, if I'm not mistaken. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crashsites ( talk • contribs) 06:26, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Going to take that link from the External links... it2's just weird and irrevelant in my opinion. QzarBaron 21:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I've seen people say here and on the WTO Ministerial Conference of 1999 protest activity page say that "Baby I'm an Anarchist" is tounge-in-cheek or sarcastic. Is there any evidence of that? I thought it was serious, a bit funny, but serious. So do at least two of my friends? Perhaps my being an anarchist biases me into actually thinking it's serious, but yeah... The Ungovernable Force 04:08, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
He's obviously not an anarchist anymore, since he deals with those fucking bastards on MTV and FUSE- FionMacCumhail 07:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- FionMacCumhail 03:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I already changed it, but I'm having second thoughts... perhaps the best description would be "hyperbolic" - that way, regardless of whether it's toungue in cheek or not, people will realise it's not to be taken too literally.. -- naught101 09:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Against Me! will be releasing a live CD entitled "Americans Abroad!!! Against Me!!! Live in London!!!" This is the bands "goodbye" album to fat wreck chords so to speak. It will feature a new song called "Americans Abroad."
Who's this Vanessa character? I'm not saying she doesn't exist but whereas all the "Associates" are well established as working for the band (see the We're Not Going Home DVD), I've never seen mention of her before. Perhaps an interview link or something would be helpful.-- AgainstSteve 17:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
She could be the female voice in the song "Baby, I'm an Anarchist." If she isn't... Who is?
I know it's quite late, but the female Anarchist vocalist is Cassidy Rist from one of Tom's former bands. She also co-wrote the song. Nowah Balloon 07:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Anyone else remember Tom's old Naples band Adversaries? Smart Mark Greene 00:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC
yeah but i didnt know it was tom gabel till about 2 days ago. lol
okay i love Against Me but what dummy has the nearve to call them folk punk? I mean come on!! folk and punk as a combined genera? thats almost as smart as miltary intelgence. Against me kicks ass but i demand a rethinking of the critics. _peace_love_unity_ CHECK OUT ANTI-FLAG IF YOU LIKE AM! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Razor romance ( talk • contribs).
^^you are stupid.^^ ^^ ^^
Whoever was bringing up the issue of Against Me! not being a "folk punk band"... look up on the bands MySpace, they classify themselves as a "folk punk" band. Wow.
You know a band sucks with you got Anti-flag fans telling you shit about it. God I love WIKI! —Preceding
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^^^^^^ Agreed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.45.250 ( talk) 04:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Ok I like Anti-Flag and I see absolutely NO RELATION between these two bands other than they each play on a different branch of the punk family tree. If Against Me! was anything I think it would be Folk Punk or Punkabilly/Rockabilly. I Dont agree with them being just punk like it states right now. -- Blckhawk1234 ( talk) 15:13, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
I spent five minutes on Google and found these articles which all describe Against Me! as folk punk. [2] [3] [4] [5] -- Blckhawk1234 ( talk) 16:20, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
i don't consider this band as an anarkopunk band. Is it ok to remove it from that category? thanks for your input. Cacuija ( my talk) 03:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
After listening to the new album "folk punk" is a bit of a misnomer. I could accept that up to the point of "Searching or a Former Clarity" but with that album and "New Wave" it's pretty clear that it's much more indie and/or alternative than punk at all.
Yeah chill out there like punk rock with a twist. Cause punk rock is usually 3 chords and Against me isnt like that —Preceding
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00:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Seems like a pretty biased thing to say. If anything they're embarassing to say out loud.
The "Type of Music" section is fairly subjective, and written very strangely. Also, I think the author of that section was confusing "soft rock" with "folk rock". I'd say that bit either needs to be wiped out, or cleaned up (ie. citing the comparison to Bob Dylan). Jeridus 21:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know if that's the correct spelling of that guy's name? I'm not seeing any reference to a Tom Serick in relation to Against Me!...other than a link to this article. --adamh 11:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
On the "Freegan" article, it says the drummer wrote a pamphlet in 1999 advocating freeganism as an appropriate lifestyle. It certainly goes to the politics of the band, and so I figured it could be included somewhere in the article. Whatcha think? 72.78.179.244 ( talk) 22:21, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm a little shocked that Tom Gabel doesn't have his own article. With all of the interviews available, the arrest, and marrying Heather Hannoura, one would think that it would be fairly easy to do (and interesting to read). Somebody should get bored and make one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.184.251 ( talk) 05:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
How can I stop Tom Gabels name from being redirected to the Against Me article when you search his name, so that I can make one specifically for him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam Wanamaker ( talk • contribs) 01:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
TrafficHaze,
Hey man. We seem to be going back and forth here with the edits. What's up? I don't know what your aversion is to the house show entry...but maybe if you clearly stated it...i could respond and through communication we could find something that suits us both?
Here's what i'm trying to do: include the house show entry in the broader against me page, with an accompanying picture from said house show. I'm new to wiki, dunno exactly how to do stuff....but i've uploaded a picture from the show over at the commons and was trying to include that in my latest edit. I don't think I did that correctly. Maybe, since you're obviously more well versed in wiki, you could do this for me? Obviously you have some sort of standard that i'm not meeting...otherwise the entry would have stayed. I hope we can correct this and come to terms with eachother.
Furthermore, If possible, I have a bevy of decent-quality images from the house show, maybe we could throwup a gallery? It would be cool looking, and I hope any personal opinions you have on the aesthetics of the page don't interfere with making the most visual/textual information available to the public. I know lots of people have intense, passionate feelings about AM! and things can get heated quite easily.
Hopefully you'll respond and we can work something out. I'm sure we're both tired of the faceless back and forth edits. I think the event itself is of enough significance to warrant a spot on the page, and that the accompanying picture/pictures is/are good enough as well. Please respond, I don't know how else to contact you. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vosentreste ( talk • contribs) 05:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Today Gabel publicly came out as transgender and announced his intention to live as a woman, eventually taking the name Laura Jane Grace. I won't bother providing a source, since it's all over the music news right now (Rolling Stone is running the exclusive, I believe). Before the inevitable barrage of IPs and SPAs hit the article, I think a few things should be hammered out:
It may be worth considering semi-protecting the article to prevent the inevitable onslaught of vandalism/unconstructive edits. -- IllaZilla ( talk) 05:11, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Hey folks, I can't edit this page as it is locked, so I just wanted to request that someone add a comma to the second to last sentence.
"That May Gabel publicly came out as transgender, having dealt with gender dysphoria for years." With those three capitalized words in a row, I had to read it several times to figure out that it meant the month of May, rather than addressing Gabel as May Gabel, as though that was the new name she has chosen. I suggest, "That May, Gabel" or even, "On May 9th, Gabel"
Just a suggestion for readability 72.74.134.42 ( talk) 00:02, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
I wanted to bring this up in case anybody opposes it, but somebody changed all of the references to "Tom Gabel" in every related article to "Laura Jane Grace." While that's fine for Transgender Dysphoria Blues and anything post-transition, the use of "Laura Jane Grace" in, say, " I Was a Teenage Anarchist" is factually wrong. For instance, this section: "The music video for the song features Laura Jane Grace in traditional punk clothing running through a park being chased by a police officer." This is incorrect, since it leads the reader to believe that the video features Grace post-transition, when in fact she was still Tom Gabel when it was filmed. The same goes for all of the album credits. In each of the album, Grace was still credited as "Tom Gabel," and wasn't credited as "Laura Jane Grace" until the most recent album. So unless anyone has any reasonable objections, I'll be changing these back shortly. Rwiggum ( Talk/ Contrib) 09:21, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
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