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This article is heavily biased with no criticism of his hanging by reputable human right organizations. There is blatant white washing by calling people "left wing sympathizers" or in the name of "neutral point of view" by users like Robofish.
There is no mention of:
At least put a god damn "Neutrality of this article is disputed" tag. ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.61.101.133 ( talk) 21:14, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
The links provided by the IP (exactly why he hates Jimbo Wales is funny) do not correlate to the text. An op-ed made by a noted left-wing sympathizer is hardly any proof of Afzal's "innocence". There is a considerable amount of WP:OR in the text, and the persistent use of Praful Bidwai to base a whole article violates WP:Undue weight. Baka man 17:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Propaniac ( talk) 17:33, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Mohammad Afzal → Afzal Guru — Common name. Arjun codename024 13:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
"Ram Jethmalani holds that it is completely within the President's power to commute the Death sentence and is not a mercy plea. He says, "It’s a misnomer to call it a mercy petition. It leads to total misunderstanding of the constitutional power. The constitutional power is that the President has the power to disagree with the Supreme Court both with its findings of fact and law."[5]
But other are of the view that such a sweeping Constitutional power cannot be given to the President inasmuch as it would subvert the concept of justice enshrined in the Constitution"
does this fit in a biographical article. shouldnt it be removed. after all a discussion on the powers of the president are not the point of the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.242.81.152 ( talk) 15:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Why is this note relevant? Anyone who joins the security forces knows they are putting their life at risk, be they man or woman. I feel this aside creates a bias against Guru, as it perpetuates the stereotype that Muslim men oppress women, and it also somehow plays to the patriarchal concept that a woman killed is noteworthy, whereas a man killed is just business as usual. This needs to be removed immediately. 105.236.249.212 ( talk) 08:07, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Tariq of Anantnag , who motivated him to join Jihad
should say
Tariq of Anantnag, who motivated him to join the jihad
Also, the material at the beginning of that paragraph is repeated later in different words:
It was his business that led to a meeting with one Tariq, who claimed to be a doctor. This resident of Anantnag convinced Afzal to aid some Pakistan-trained terrorists in their deadly mission.
Rybec ( talk) 01:54, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rybec ( talk • contribs) 01:50, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
I removed the last section of this article, titled 'Criticism About the Glaring Denial of Last Available Legal Relief to Afzal Guru'. This was not written in a manner consistent with Wikipedia's policies on neutral point of view. Criticism of the decision to execute him does belong in the article, but only if it is written in a neutral way and reporting criticisms made in reliable sources. Robofish ( talk) 00:00, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
The sources cited is that of
Times of India and
Zee News. While the former is directly summarised/ paraphrased for the section you removed, the latter is used only get more elaborate inputs about Saibanna, a convicted murder, who was sentenced to death by the judiciary and whose clemency was refused by
Pranab Mukherjee. Post-refusal, the convict moved to court and secured and secured stay from the execution. Had the central government not acted hastily for Guru, there was a chance that he could also secure stay. Are these inputs not under
policies on neutral point of view?
I suggest you reinclude the section with any "reasonable change of words" or point the words / phrases, which you feel, needs moderation. But the section is needed as you've yourself admitted "Criticism of the decision to execute him does belong in the article". Hindustanilanguage ( talk) 05:26, 12 February 2013 (UTC).
I think that the section should be included however be reworded as there has been a lot of criticism about the hanging process and facts shouldn't be removed. Naveed ( talk) 06:18, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Friends, I've changed the heading, tone, etc. I've removed all personal inference sentences and except "Although the Press in India has been supportive of Afzal Guru's hanging, a section of the press raised apprehension on the manner in which the execution was carried out." this sentence all other are from the sources -- So no such thing like "Glaring Denial of Last Available Legal Relief to Afzal Guru" but only press reaction and some background information. Hindustanilanguage ( talk) 07:48, 12 February 2013 (UTC).
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It is important to incorporate his lawyer's comments in the article viz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6-ohUBjIK0
Drtahir76 ( talk) 00:28, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
I have removed the references made to Zee News and other articles which was quite elaborate. The references made are good from legal point of view but ought not to be a part of this discussion. I belong to legal field posses specific details on this issue.
I have also changed the language: A major point highlighted by Times of India to Times of India highlighted.-- MohitSingh ( talk) 15:37, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Good to know that your an advocate. But you're still missing out one major edit based on ToI article and Zee News input - Saibanna, even after presidential clemency rejection had time for judicial review appeal and is still alive on the basis of it. In the Guru's case things moved speedily and the guy, good or bad, had to face the noose almost instantly (in less than a week). I'll see for a while if your articulation can highlight this aspect as well along with other things for which you've worked with great zeal and dedication. Hindustanilanguage ( talk).
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This article does not quote amnesty international's stand on unfair trial received by Afzal Guru. Article is very one sided, representing only the view of Indian government. 173.65.210.48 ( talk) 02:16, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Have added the views of amnesty international Naveed ( talk) 05:38, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
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This article does not quote amnesty international's stand on unfair trial received by Afzal Guru( http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/india-new-execution-points-worrying-and-regressive-trend-2013-02-09). Article is very one sided, representing only the view of Indian government. 173.65.210.48 ( talk) 02:18, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
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-> Document only details selective material that indict Afzal Guru as a terrorist. This article is authored who supports BJP, a political party that actively campaigned for Afzal Guru's hanging. -> This article does not cite Afzal's letter to his lawyer of obtaining confession under duress.( http://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/afzal/afzal2.htm)
-> This article makes the issue of no legal aide provided to Afzal guru as no issue.
-> This article does not cite the evidence that got Afzal Guru indicted. The only evidence recorded was his confession, and Supreme court of India agreed that the confession was obtained in duress.
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User:Shafaq123 has been using this line "Afzal later claimed that he had been subjected to extreme torture which included electric shocks in private parts and being beaten up for hours alongwith threats regarding his family after his arrest" which a website titled Kashmir News has used from an interview by Vindo K Jose. Also the language used by the user was wrong. I have used the reference of the original interview posted by him on the Caravan Magazine but the User has been indulged in the activity or reverting it. I have been making several attempts asking him to first discuss the issue here on the talk page but he has not been paying any heed.-- Mohit Singh ( talk) 19:18, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
User:MohitSingh plz check your talk page, I have sent you a message regarding this page. And secondly your reference of Carvan magazine and my reference of Kashmirnews are exactly same, down to every word. Now plz be specific in what language i am using wrong because you too have written "Guru had said that he had been subjected to extreme torture which included electric shocks in private parts and being beaten up for hours alongwith threats regarding his family after his arrest".Kindly stop reverting this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shafaq123 ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
This article is biased against Afzal Guru. It should be marked so.
This article is made by BJP workers who don't want the truth out. Wikipedia would do better without political parties molding it's articles in their favor. [1] [2] [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shafaq123 ( talk • contribs) 07:06, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Afzal Guru's wife's letter which clearly states that he was tortured before and after his arrest, no official of his torture is available for obvious reasons. Serious aspersions have been cast on the legality of Afzal Guru's hanging by legal experts all over India but this issue has been mentioned just in passing and not dealt with properly. Also, firstly I did not know being associated with BJP is an 'allegation bad in taste' and secondly I never said anything about religion.This article should be marked biased because it violates
Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. — Preceding
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If Afzal Guru was born in 1969 than how he can complete his graduation in 1934. Please make the required changes. 203.143.188.11 ( talk) 05:05, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Ahem, the first line:
What a
tautologies in the very first line!! And to rub insult to injury the
WP:OWN morons slam a lock down on this article so people with a modicum of writing ability can't get in here and fix such piss-poor poor English.
No wonder this site is an internet joke and the people who write this stuff are mocked on message boards.
You see the difference! Wikipedia is written by young white 16 year old aspies who live in their parents' basement.
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Afzal Guru was a islamic terrorist who was later executed by legal trial by supreme court of India and hang till death. So kindly ad that he was a terrorist Sankalpavirjaan ( talk) 09:07, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
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This article is heavily biased with no criticism of his hanging by reputable human right organizations. There is blatant white washing by calling people "left wing sympathizers" or in the name of "neutral point of view" by users like Robofish.
There is no mention of:
At least put a god damn "Neutrality of this article is disputed" tag. ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.61.101.133 ( talk) 21:14, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
The links provided by the IP (exactly why he hates Jimbo Wales is funny) do not correlate to the text. An op-ed made by a noted left-wing sympathizer is hardly any proof of Afzal's "innocence". There is a considerable amount of WP:OR in the text, and the persistent use of Praful Bidwai to base a whole article violates WP:Undue weight. Baka man 17:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Propaniac ( talk) 17:33, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Mohammad Afzal → Afzal Guru — Common name. Arjun codename024 13:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
"Ram Jethmalani holds that it is completely within the President's power to commute the Death sentence and is not a mercy plea. He says, "It’s a misnomer to call it a mercy petition. It leads to total misunderstanding of the constitutional power. The constitutional power is that the President has the power to disagree with the Supreme Court both with its findings of fact and law."[5]
But other are of the view that such a sweeping Constitutional power cannot be given to the President inasmuch as it would subvert the concept of justice enshrined in the Constitution"
does this fit in a biographical article. shouldnt it be removed. after all a discussion on the powers of the president are not the point of the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.242.81.152 ( talk) 15:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Why is this note relevant? Anyone who joins the security forces knows they are putting their life at risk, be they man or woman. I feel this aside creates a bias against Guru, as it perpetuates the stereotype that Muslim men oppress women, and it also somehow plays to the patriarchal concept that a woman killed is noteworthy, whereas a man killed is just business as usual. This needs to be removed immediately. 105.236.249.212 ( talk) 08:07, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Tariq of Anantnag , who motivated him to join Jihad
should say
Tariq of Anantnag, who motivated him to join the jihad
Also, the material at the beginning of that paragraph is repeated later in different words:
It was his business that led to a meeting with one Tariq, who claimed to be a doctor. This resident of Anantnag convinced Afzal to aid some Pakistan-trained terrorists in their deadly mission.
Rybec ( talk) 01:54, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rybec ( talk • contribs) 01:50, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
I removed the last section of this article, titled 'Criticism About the Glaring Denial of Last Available Legal Relief to Afzal Guru'. This was not written in a manner consistent with Wikipedia's policies on neutral point of view. Criticism of the decision to execute him does belong in the article, but only if it is written in a neutral way and reporting criticisms made in reliable sources. Robofish ( talk) 00:00, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
The sources cited is that of
Times of India and
Zee News. While the former is directly summarised/ paraphrased for the section you removed, the latter is used only get more elaborate inputs about Saibanna, a convicted murder, who was sentenced to death by the judiciary and whose clemency was refused by
Pranab Mukherjee. Post-refusal, the convict moved to court and secured and secured stay from the execution. Had the central government not acted hastily for Guru, there was a chance that he could also secure stay. Are these inputs not under
policies on neutral point of view?
I suggest you reinclude the section with any "reasonable change of words" or point the words / phrases, which you feel, needs moderation. But the section is needed as you've yourself admitted "Criticism of the decision to execute him does belong in the article". Hindustanilanguage ( talk) 05:26, 12 February 2013 (UTC).
I think that the section should be included however be reworded as there has been a lot of criticism about the hanging process and facts shouldn't be removed. Naveed ( talk) 06:18, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Friends, I've changed the heading, tone, etc. I've removed all personal inference sentences and except "Although the Press in India has been supportive of Afzal Guru's hanging, a section of the press raised apprehension on the manner in which the execution was carried out." this sentence all other are from the sources -- So no such thing like "Glaring Denial of Last Available Legal Relief to Afzal Guru" but only press reaction and some background information. Hindustanilanguage ( talk) 07:48, 12 February 2013 (UTC).
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It is important to incorporate his lawyer's comments in the article viz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6-ohUBjIK0
Drtahir76 ( talk) 00:28, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
I have removed the references made to Zee News and other articles which was quite elaborate. The references made are good from legal point of view but ought not to be a part of this discussion. I belong to legal field posses specific details on this issue.
I have also changed the language: A major point highlighted by Times of India to Times of India highlighted.-- MohitSingh ( talk) 15:37, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Good to know that your an advocate. But you're still missing out one major edit based on ToI article and Zee News input - Saibanna, even after presidential clemency rejection had time for judicial review appeal and is still alive on the basis of it. In the Guru's case things moved speedily and the guy, good or bad, had to face the noose almost instantly (in less than a week). I'll see for a while if your articulation can highlight this aspect as well along with other things for which you've worked with great zeal and dedication. Hindustanilanguage ( talk).
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This article does not quote amnesty international's stand on unfair trial received by Afzal Guru. Article is very one sided, representing only the view of Indian government. 173.65.210.48 ( talk) 02:16, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Have added the views of amnesty international Naveed ( talk) 05:38, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
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This article does not quote amnesty international's stand on unfair trial received by Afzal Guru( http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/india-new-execution-points-worrying-and-regressive-trend-2013-02-09). Article is very one sided, representing only the view of Indian government. 173.65.210.48 ( talk) 02:18, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
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-> Document only details selective material that indict Afzal Guru as a terrorist. This article is authored who supports BJP, a political party that actively campaigned for Afzal Guru's hanging. -> This article does not cite Afzal's letter to his lawyer of obtaining confession under duress.( http://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/afzal/afzal2.htm)
-> This article makes the issue of no legal aide provided to Afzal guru as no issue.
-> This article does not cite the evidence that got Afzal Guru indicted. The only evidence recorded was his confession, and Supreme court of India agreed that the confession was obtained in duress.
173.65.210.48 ( talk) 02:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
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User:Shafaq123 has been using this line "Afzal later claimed that he had been subjected to extreme torture which included electric shocks in private parts and being beaten up for hours alongwith threats regarding his family after his arrest" which a website titled Kashmir News has used from an interview by Vindo K Jose. Also the language used by the user was wrong. I have used the reference of the original interview posted by him on the Caravan Magazine but the User has been indulged in the activity or reverting it. I have been making several attempts asking him to first discuss the issue here on the talk page but he has not been paying any heed.-- Mohit Singh ( talk) 19:18, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
User:MohitSingh plz check your talk page, I have sent you a message regarding this page. And secondly your reference of Carvan magazine and my reference of Kashmirnews are exactly same, down to every word. Now plz be specific in what language i am using wrong because you too have written "Guru had said that he had been subjected to extreme torture which included electric shocks in private parts and being beaten up for hours alongwith threats regarding his family after his arrest".Kindly stop reverting this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shafaq123 ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
This article is biased against Afzal Guru. It should be marked so.
This article is made by BJP workers who don't want the truth out. Wikipedia would do better without political parties molding it's articles in their favor. [1] [2] [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shafaq123 ( talk • contribs) 07:06, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Afzal Guru's wife's letter which clearly states that he was tortured before and after his arrest, no official of his torture is available for obvious reasons. Serious aspersions have been cast on the legality of Afzal Guru's hanging by legal experts all over India but this issue has been mentioned just in passing and not dealt with properly. Also, firstly I did not know being associated with BJP is an 'allegation bad in taste' and secondly I never said anything about religion.This article should be marked biased because it violates
Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. — Preceding
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If Afzal Guru was born in 1969 than how he can complete his graduation in 1934. Please make the required changes. 203.143.188.11 ( talk) 05:05, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Ahem, the first line:
What a
tautologies in the very first line!! And to rub insult to injury the
WP:OWN morons slam a lock down on this article so people with a modicum of writing ability can't get in here and fix such piss-poor poor English.
No wonder this site is an internet joke and the people who write this stuff are mocked on message boards.
You see the difference! Wikipedia is written by young white 16 year old aspies who live in their parents' basement.
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Would request User:Msec109 to not indulge in edit wars, and resolve conflicts here on talk page. ChunnuBhai ( talk) 10:41, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
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Afzal Guru was a islamic terrorist who was later executed by legal trial by supreme court of India and hang till death. So kindly ad that he was a terrorist Sankalpavirjaan ( talk) 09:07, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
fhyjyjgjytjuyjku — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.159.155.238 ( talk) 18:14, 10 April 2022 (UTC)