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Is there a version of this son with Clapton, Carlos Santana and Jimi Hendrix together? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.20.250 ( talk) 23:49, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
The Cale version needs an infobox, in the manner of Cocaine (song), I Shot the Sheriff, and countless others Anarchangel ( talk) 04:49, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Of the two songs on which we have articles, this would appear to be the primary meaning and no evidence to the contrary has been presented. DrKiernan ( talk) 18:31, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
After Midnight (song) → ? – Eric Clapton's version is well known, but I read that J.J. Cale did his own demo version first. There is After Midnight (Blink-182 song), so should this article be After Midnight (Eric Clapton song) or something else? --Relisted Armbrust The Homunculus 09:05, 25 January 2013 (UTC) -- George Ho ( talk) 00:25, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
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The article begins "After Midnight" is a rock song by J. J. Cale, issued by him as a single in 1966" and then goes on to say "The single by Cale reached #42 on the Billboard Hot 100 in 1972."
However, if I understand the history of the song correctly, the "slow tempo" version released by Cale in 1972 was not the same recording as the 1966 original, which had a faster tempo. For clarity, perhaps the article should read "Cale released a re-recorded version of the single in 1972, which reached #42" etc. Muzilon ( talk) 11:55, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
After Midnight (J. J. Cale song) →
After Midnight (song) – I was unaware of the discussed move two years ago. The previous RM result in "not moved". Somehow, the consensus was ignored, and the article was disambiguated further without another discussion. After reversion, the renaming shall be re-discussed.
George Ho (
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23:41, 26 November 2016 (UTC) See below.
The result of the move request was: NOT MOVED — UY Scuti Talk 03:54, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
After Midnight (J. J. Cale song) → After Midnight (Eric Clapton song) – The rationale is too lengthy for the bot and for those browsing at WP:RM. In short, Eric Clapton is more recognized by the masses than J.J. Cale. WP:DABSONG says use the name of the original performer. However, WP:GUIDES and WP:Criteria shall triumph WP:DABSONG and be utilized for the name change. Also, the results of my failed RM proposal on Somebody to Love (Jefferson Airplane song) shall be used as precedent to this discussion. See my full rationale at the "Discussion" section. George Ho ( talk) 01:40, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
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Wikipedia's policy on article titles.Originally, I requested the previous title After Midnight (song) to be re-used. However, the wide consensus would not approve the partial disambiguation. Therefore, I'm going for the alternative and am proposing the name change instead. I recently read WP:DABSONG, a shortcut to a section of WP:MUSICDAB. Per guideline, the name of the original performer shall be used. However, per WP:GUIDES, a policy about "guidelines" themselves, common sense can be utilized for exceptions. Now I shall make an exception to that guideline and use a policy to triumph that guideline.
Per WP:Criteria, since choosing the title for the song is not easy, at least one criterion can apply but should be strong enough for name change or retention. The present title might fail "recognizability" because J. J. Cale is less recognized than Eric Clapton, though both artists recorded the song. Neither the present title nor the proposed one is concise, but "conciseness" doesn't apply due to statistics and After Midnight as a dabpage. Both titles are precise, but "preciseness" is redundant because the parenthetical disambiguation is already used. "Naturalness"... I can't tell whether a reader can exactly type the parenthetical title, so I might push the criterion aside. "Consistency" is very tricky. The present title follows other titles disambiguated by the names of original performers, like Fever (Little Willie John song). However, I did a failed RM proposal on Somebody to Love (Jefferson Airplane song). The result was "not moved"; the opposers found "Darby Slick", "Grace Slick", and "The Great Society" less recognizable than "Jefferson Airplane".
"Consistency" might be important for disambiguation. However, I can't strictly interpret it to retain the present title. I found "recognizability" the strongest criterion of all five criteria, which the policy calls "goals, not [r]ules." Therefore, "Eric Clapton" shall be part of the title. George Ho ( talk) 01:40, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Proof that Eric Clapton is more popular than JJ Cale. George Ho ( talk) 01:48, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Statistics on the target page and redirect page. George Ho ( talk) 02:50, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
I added another entry in the stats, Ryan. Combine JJ and J. J., so the total will be higher than the Blink 182 song. George Ho ( talk) 02:54, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Never mind partial disambiguation or primacy, which I am not mainly proposing. What about another precedent, All Through the Night (Cyndi Lauper song)? What is the difference between the two articles? George Ho ( talk) 03:03, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Cale's 1972 re-recording was charted, not his original version. That was two years after Clapton's successful version. Also, Gordon, Billboard Hot 100 was the '72 version's only chart. I tried finding other charts of Cale's versions but came empty-handed, even when Cale's versions were released domestically and sparsely internationally. At least I can find some reviews. George Ho ( talk) 08:03, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
@ Ryan and Gordon: I reworked the article into the present condition. Thoughts? George Ho ( talk) 10:11, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
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Is there a version of this son with Clapton, Carlos Santana and Jimi Hendrix together? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.20.250 ( talk) 23:49, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
The Cale version needs an infobox, in the manner of Cocaine (song), I Shot the Sheriff, and countless others Anarchangel ( talk) 04:49, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Of the two songs on which we have articles, this would appear to be the primary meaning and no evidence to the contrary has been presented. DrKiernan ( talk) 18:31, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
After Midnight (song) → ? – Eric Clapton's version is well known, but I read that J.J. Cale did his own demo version first. There is After Midnight (Blink-182 song), so should this article be After Midnight (Eric Clapton song) or something else? --Relisted Armbrust The Homunculus 09:05, 25 January 2013 (UTC) -- George Ho ( talk) 00:25, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
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After Midnight (JJ Cale song). Please take a moment to review
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 21:38, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
The article begins "After Midnight" is a rock song by J. J. Cale, issued by him as a single in 1966" and then goes on to say "The single by Cale reached #42 on the Billboard Hot 100 in 1972."
However, if I understand the history of the song correctly, the "slow tempo" version released by Cale in 1972 was not the same recording as the 1966 original, which had a faster tempo. For clarity, perhaps the article should read "Cale released a re-recorded version of the single in 1972, which reached #42" etc. Muzilon ( talk) 11:55, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
After Midnight (J. J. Cale song) →
After Midnight (song) – I was unaware of the discussed move two years ago. The previous RM result in "not moved". Somehow, the consensus was ignored, and the article was disambiguated further without another discussion. After reversion, the renaming shall be re-discussed.
George Ho (
talk)
23:41, 26 November 2016 (UTC) See below.
The result of the move request was: NOT MOVED — UY Scuti Talk 03:54, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
After Midnight (J. J. Cale song) → After Midnight (Eric Clapton song) – The rationale is too lengthy for the bot and for those browsing at WP:RM. In short, Eric Clapton is more recognized by the masses than J.J. Cale. WP:DABSONG says use the name of the original performer. However, WP:GUIDES and WP:Criteria shall triumph WP:DABSONG and be utilized for the name change. Also, the results of my failed RM proposal on Somebody to Love (Jefferson Airplane song) shall be used as precedent to this discussion. See my full rationale at the "Discussion" section. George Ho ( talk) 01:40, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.Originally, I requested the previous title After Midnight (song) to be re-used. However, the wide consensus would not approve the partial disambiguation. Therefore, I'm going for the alternative and am proposing the name change instead. I recently read WP:DABSONG, a shortcut to a section of WP:MUSICDAB. Per guideline, the name of the original performer shall be used. However, per WP:GUIDES, a policy about "guidelines" themselves, common sense can be utilized for exceptions. Now I shall make an exception to that guideline and use a policy to triumph that guideline.
Per WP:Criteria, since choosing the title for the song is not easy, at least one criterion can apply but should be strong enough for name change or retention. The present title might fail "recognizability" because J. J. Cale is less recognized than Eric Clapton, though both artists recorded the song. Neither the present title nor the proposed one is concise, but "conciseness" doesn't apply due to statistics and After Midnight as a dabpage. Both titles are precise, but "preciseness" is redundant because the parenthetical disambiguation is already used. "Naturalness"... I can't tell whether a reader can exactly type the parenthetical title, so I might push the criterion aside. "Consistency" is very tricky. The present title follows other titles disambiguated by the names of original performers, like Fever (Little Willie John song). However, I did a failed RM proposal on Somebody to Love (Jefferson Airplane song). The result was "not moved"; the opposers found "Darby Slick", "Grace Slick", and "The Great Society" less recognizable than "Jefferson Airplane".
"Consistency" might be important for disambiguation. However, I can't strictly interpret it to retain the present title. I found "recognizability" the strongest criterion of all five criteria, which the policy calls "goals, not [r]ules." Therefore, "Eric Clapton" shall be part of the title. George Ho ( talk) 01:40, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Proof that Eric Clapton is more popular than JJ Cale. George Ho ( talk) 01:48, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Statistics on the target page and redirect page. George Ho ( talk) 02:50, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
I added another entry in the stats, Ryan. Combine JJ and J. J., so the total will be higher than the Blink 182 song. George Ho ( talk) 02:54, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Never mind partial disambiguation or primacy, which I am not mainly proposing. What about another precedent, All Through the Night (Cyndi Lauper song)? What is the difference between the two articles? George Ho ( talk) 03:03, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Cale's 1972 re-recording was charted, not his original version. That was two years after Clapton's successful version. Also, Gordon, Billboard Hot 100 was the '72 version's only chart. I tried finding other charts of Cale's versions but came empty-handed, even when Cale's versions were released domestically and sparsely internationally. At least I can find some reviews. George Ho ( talk) 08:03, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
@ Ryan and Gordon: I reworked the article into the present condition. Thoughts? George Ho ( talk) 10:11, 27 November 2016 (UTC)