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But not exclusively not needed in lead. It not only looks tacky but it is also stated in the second paragraph that some Black immigrants come to be called AA due to assimilation. Furthermore, it was already concluded that the Black immigrant statement would be placed in the 2nd paragraph. Now someone is coming to state what is clear in the 2nd paragraph back in the first. ??????
The but not exclusively statement in the lead should be taken out.
We have had this discussion for a long time. African American is its own ethnicity and ppl assimilate to it if they are immigrants into the country. Citation: https://ipr.osu.edu/becoming-black-african-immigrant-integration-united-states
“Immigrants from Sub-Saharan Africa constitute the fastest growing group of immigrants in the United States today, yet we know less about their processes of assimilation and integration than other groups of immigrants. Research on black immigrants from the Caribbean suggests that the immigration experience of African immigrants will look quite different from many previous groups of immigrants, largely because assimilation for black immigrants risks exposure to the many forms of discrimination and inequalities faced by native-born black Americans.“
“African- Americans have rightly laid claim to a unique identity” Smithsonian Scholar (see previous thread)
Also see first paragraph at this link: https://scholarworks.umass.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1010&context=cfssr_publishedwork
Even genetics can point it out:
“Our results also indicate that the genetic architecture of African Americans is distinct from that of Africans”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2812948/
Ethnicity points it out by the whole fact it is an ETHNIC GROUP:
“Ethnicity is more than skin color or physical characteristics, more than language, song, and dance. It is the embodiment of values, institutions, and patterns of behavior, a composite whole representing a people’s historical experience, aspirations, and world view. Deprive a people of their ethnicity, their culture, and you deprive them of their sense of direction or purpose.”
The government and social studies has even noted how Black immigrants can HIGHLIGHT their own ethnicities to get ahead in some cases, meaning that Black immigrants do in fact have their OWN ETHNICITIES. “Several authors suggest that black immigrants’ ethnicity gives them an advantage over U.S.-born blacks in dealings with whites (Bashi Bobb and Clarke 2001; Foner 1985; Waters 1994). If this holds true, black immigrants may improve their residential outcomes by highlighting their ethnicity to distinguish themselves”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8713952/
Also see this link on assimilation: https://sociology.princeton.edu/events/black-immigrants-use-african-american-strategy-mobility-through-higher-education
WayMaQueen ( talk) 14:14, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Can we merge into the second sentence with something like"The term "African American" generally denotes descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States.
Most African Americans are descendants of enslaved people within the boundaries of the present United States."
Could use some more wordsmithing. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 19:45, 3 December 2023 (UTC)"The term "African American" generally denotes descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States, and most African Americans are such descendants."
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 August 2023 and 18 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Kananstark, Kylaalexander ( article contribs).
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Following this discussion, I created this map mostly to replace File:Absenceblacks.png, but also to complement File:Black Americans by county.png. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. M.Bitton ( talk) 02:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
@ Freee Contributor: First: Please read WP:BRD and don't edit war. Then: Why should we call African Americans a "North American" group ? Black Canadians and Afro-Mexicans are not called "African Americans". Then: "North American ethnic group consisting of Americans" sound a bit funny, doesn't it ? Rsk6400 ( talk) 12:19, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
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But not exclusively not needed in lead. It not only looks tacky but it is also stated in the second paragraph that some Black immigrants come to be called AA due to assimilation. Furthermore, it was already concluded that the Black immigrant statement would be placed in the 2nd paragraph. Now someone is coming to state what is clear in the 2nd paragraph back in the first. ??????
The but not exclusively statement in the lead should be taken out.
We have had this discussion for a long time. African American is its own ethnicity and ppl assimilate to it if they are immigrants into the country. Citation: https://ipr.osu.edu/becoming-black-african-immigrant-integration-united-states
“Immigrants from Sub-Saharan Africa constitute the fastest growing group of immigrants in the United States today, yet we know less about their processes of assimilation and integration than other groups of immigrants. Research on black immigrants from the Caribbean suggests that the immigration experience of African immigrants will look quite different from many previous groups of immigrants, largely because assimilation for black immigrants risks exposure to the many forms of discrimination and inequalities faced by native-born black Americans.“
“African- Americans have rightly laid claim to a unique identity” Smithsonian Scholar (see previous thread)
Also see first paragraph at this link: https://scholarworks.umass.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1010&context=cfssr_publishedwork
Even genetics can point it out:
“Our results also indicate that the genetic architecture of African Americans is distinct from that of Africans”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2812948/
Ethnicity points it out by the whole fact it is an ETHNIC GROUP:
“Ethnicity is more than skin color or physical characteristics, more than language, song, and dance. It is the embodiment of values, institutions, and patterns of behavior, a composite whole representing a people’s historical experience, aspirations, and world view. Deprive a people of their ethnicity, their culture, and you deprive them of their sense of direction or purpose.”
The government and social studies has even noted how Black immigrants can HIGHLIGHT their own ethnicities to get ahead in some cases, meaning that Black immigrants do in fact have their OWN ETHNICITIES. “Several authors suggest that black immigrants’ ethnicity gives them an advantage over U.S.-born blacks in dealings with whites (Bashi Bobb and Clarke 2001; Foner 1985; Waters 1994). If this holds true, black immigrants may improve their residential outcomes by highlighting their ethnicity to distinguish themselves”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8713952/
Also see this link on assimilation: https://sociology.princeton.edu/events/black-immigrants-use-african-american-strategy-mobility-through-higher-education
WayMaQueen ( talk) 14:14, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Can we merge into the second sentence with something like"The term "African American" generally denotes descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States.
Most African Americans are descendants of enslaved people within the boundaries of the present United States."
Could use some more wordsmithing. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 19:45, 3 December 2023 (UTC)"The term "African American" generally denotes descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States, and most African Americans are such descendants."
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 August 2023 and 18 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Kananstark, Kylaalexander ( article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by 752Sunvoices! ( talk) 21:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Following this discussion, I created this map mostly to replace File:Absenceblacks.png, but also to complement File:Black Americans by county.png. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. M.Bitton ( talk) 02:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
@ Freee Contributor: First: Please read WP:BRD and don't edit war. Then: Why should we call African Americans a "North American" group ? Black Canadians and Afro-Mexicans are not called "African Americans". Then: "North American ethnic group consisting of Americans" sound a bit funny, doesn't it ? Rsk6400 ( talk) 12:19, 12 March 2024 (UTC)