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Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/03/25/the-growing-diversity-of-black-america/ White American 2023 ( talk) 09:20, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Question: I propose this slight modification:
According to Pew Research, in 2019 Texas had the largest non-Hispanic black population in the United States, followed by the states Georgia, Florida, New York and North Carolina.
However, the same source seems to disagree with this statement in the article: California, the nation's most populous state, has the fifth largest African American population, only behind New York, Texas, Georgia, and Florida.
According to the "Top five states of residence for the US black population" chart, the ranking for all African Americans from most to least is Texas, Florida, Georgia, New York, California.
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Source: https://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/omh/browse.aspx?lvl=3&lvlid=61 White American 2023 ( talk) 09:22, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Not done: This doesn't seem to be supported by the given source, which says In 2021, most of the US population livedin the South (38.4 percent of the total U.S. population).The ten states with the largest non-Hispanic black population in 2020 were Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Georgia, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia.
It also seems to conflict with Pew.
Xan747 (
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Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/03/25/the-growing-diversity-of-black-america/#:~:text=The%20New%20York%20metropolitan%20area%20has%20the%20largest%20Black%20metropolitan%20population White American 2023 ( talk) 09:24, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Done, added "As of 2019" qualifier. Xan747 ( talk) 19:28, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Not done: I'll need at least one good citation to support those edits. Xan747 ( talk) 19:28, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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African Americans have the highest death rate for cancer. Add this information to the health section.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/health-equity/groups/african-american.htm#:~:text=Black%20people%20have%20the%20highest,cancers%20at%20a%20late%20stage. White American 2023 ( talk) 01:21, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Not done: Again this is a factoid bereft of context. Why do AAs have a higher rate of cancer? The link you give contains some answers. So does the next article on the page: How Racism Leads to Cancer Health Disparities. Perhaps that could do with a mention. Please a little more time with your sources so you can better represent what they say. Xan747 ( talk) 21:13, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
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African Americans are more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia than whites. Add this information to the mental health section.
Source: https://www.mhanational.org/issues/black-and-african-american-communities-and-mental-health
Source: https://www.psycom.net/schizophrenia-racial-disparities-black-people White American 2023 ( talk) 01:11, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Not done: While the sources you provide do support the edits you wish to make, they leave out other information in the same sources which give context. For example, the first sentence of your first citation reads, Overall, mental health conditions occur in Black and African American (B/AA) people in America at about the same or less frequency than in White Americans.
However, the edit you wish to make only mentions that AA's have a higher incidence of a serious mental illness. Needless to say, this is not terribly
WP:NPOV. I suggest you spend a little more time with your sources and suggest edits that are more thoughtful and inclusive of what is in them.
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African Americans are more likely to die from smoke related illnesses than whites.
85% of non-Hispanic African Americans who smoke smoke menthol cigarettes.
Source: https://smokingcessationleadership.ucsf.edu/raceethnicity
Also add Tobacco marketing targeting African Americans to health section. White American 2023 ( talk) 01:28, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Not done: The headline of your first citation is, "African American Communities Experience a Health Burden from Commercial Tobacco". So how about something like, African Americans are more likely to die from smoke related illnesses than whites, because they are more likely to smoke, or be exposed to second-hand smoke. This is due to a number of factors, including ....
and then from here, summarize this:
Tobacco companies have a long history of trying to influence African American people by donating to historically Black colleges and universities and sponsoring scholarships for African American students.3,6 They also give money to influential African American people, officials, and organizations.5 Tobacco companies have also advertised more heavily in magazines with larger numbers of African American readers.9
Then your requested link to Tobacco marketing targeting African Americans will make more sense. Xan747 ( talk) 21:31, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
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92% of African Americans felt discriminatio against black Americans
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/10/25/559015355/how-black-americans-see-discrimination Fajita Biscuit ( talk) 05:01, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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African Americans lose their virginities at a young age and have the highest rates of unplanned pregnancies.
By age 15, 33% of black males have already lost their virginity.
Source: https://anthrosource.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/maq.12047
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Black Americans have a increasing rate of mental illnesses such as depression and anxiety. Blacks are 20% more likely to experience serious mental health problems, such as Major Depressive Disorder or Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Many African Americans develope anxiety from discrimination. Black Americans comprise 40% of the homeless population, 50% of the prison population, and 45% of children in the foster care system in the United States. Add this important information to the mental heatlh section.
Source: https://www.columbiapsychiatry.org/news/addressing-mental-health-black-community 2600:6C50:7EF0:4A70:A18B:CCFA:3C30:D93D ( talk) 03:55, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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Why isn’t there a discrimination section? Add a discrimination section to the article.
80% of Americans say there is discrimination against Black Americans in the US: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/03/18/majorities-of-americans-see-at-least-some-discrimination-against-black-hispanic-and-asian-people-in-the-u-s/
Black men are less likely to get a job due to discrimination: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-are-employment-rates-so-low-among-black-men/
71% of Black Americans felt discrimination against and treated unfairly by other races: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2016/06/27/5-personal-experiences-with-discrimination/ 103.164.138.55 ( talk) 07:57, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
The image legend reads: "New York City is home by a significant margin to the world's largest Black population of any city outside Africa, at over 2.2 million". This is not true by a significant margin. São Paulo is home according to 2022 estimate of 4.25 million black people. See https://censo2022.ibge.gov.br/panorama/indicadores.html?localidade=3550308 and https://www.nossasaopaulo.org.br/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Mapa-da-Desigualdade-2022_TABELAS_23.pdf
Both Rio de Janeiro and Salvador I think have more black people than New York too. Brazil's black population is overall much larger than the US's. El Chemaniaco ( talk) 19:31, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
This fact in quotes below was removed despite the accuracy. (I can add more sources).
-”Ancestry.com also states that although they utilize African countries in their genetic results, it is to be interpreted as the regions where those modern day countries are located that hold their genetics since the modern day African countries were not formed until after the slave trade was over. This leads to why the ethnic group is called African American - their African ancestors are from mostly the entire West Coast and Central Africa, not from different countries, but several ethnic groups.An individual African American person can have over fifteen African ethnic groups in their genetic makeup alone due to the slave trade covering such vast areas.”-
This is common knowledge that African Americans are from several ethnic groups and not modern day countries, both by Ancestry and more sources. Modern day African countries didn’t exist until after TransAtlantic slave trade ended. See this link (2nd paragraph)
African Americans’ ethnic genetic history started prior to the formation of modern day countries. see 1500s map of West Africa at the start of the slave trade.
I can add these citations. This is important because it shows how the genetics are so vast in the African American ethnic group when they were sold into slavery. Most African ethnic groups who remained on the continent didn’t have this type of huge variety of genetic mixing because they remained mostly within their respective groups. This is why African American genetics are quite different and a wider variety according to the government here.
This paragraph should be included in as it breaks down the background of the genetics and it’s sourced well. WayMaQueen ( talk) 13:57, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
An “ethnic nation” would be made of only that ethnicity of ppl (ethnic group). African nations back then were defined in terms of their ethnicity. More explained in detail at the source below
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/ethnicity-an-african-predicament/
Black immigrants are added to the lede that “some will call themselves African American”. Should this sentence be here without context because Black Immigrants are not African Americans and the essay is about African Americans, not what Black Immigrants may or may not later call themselves?
If a Black immigrant assimilated into African American culture, that is a cultural assimilation, not ethnic, and should be stated as such being that they have adopted the culture of African Americans, not became an African American.
Moving doesn’t change an ethnicity. It changes a nationality. Immigrants are proud of their ethnicities because they have a whole other history, culture and languages than African Americans, including different emancipation dates and holidays.
Either the statement should be removed or placed in context of “cultural assimilation” because it’s obvious that an ethnic German can’t move and become an ethnic Italian like a Zulu can’t move and suddenly become Igbo or Yoruba, Egyptian or African American. Cultures and histories are different and should be respected and treated as such realistically and factually. About four citations can be added to clarify that sentence, and I can add quickly “via cultural assimilation” with newspaper citations and PhD researchers as it has been studied extensively. WayMaQueen ( talk) 16:12, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
Black immigrants are not African Americans? Your ideas seem to imply that ethnicity is something static which cannot be changed and which is independent from how people identify / call themselves. Rsk6400 ( talk) 16:17, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
The notion that ethnicity is immutable is incorrect and outdated academically. Ethnicity is a malleable social construct. As our article
Ethnicity says, By way of language shift, acculturation, adoption, and religious conversion, individuals or groups may over time shift from one ethnic group to another.
This definitely applies to African and Caribbean African immigrants over a few generations. Blended ethnicity and multiethnicity is also a thing.
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The article isn’t about Barack Obama. It is about African Americans. WayMaQueen ( talk) 19:22, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Copying a comment over from my user talk page:
What you removed wasn’t complicated nor confusing. It actually added to and didn’t rehash any information that was already there. It also utilized a a credible source which is already being used but for different information. WayMaQueen ( talk) 19:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Which was in reference to this removal.
I don't disagree that Zakharia is a credible source. We're already using and citing it. I don't think we should use it to reiterate that African American genetic populations differ from African genetic populations, as this is already mentioned. I don't think we should introduce the term "architecture" without explanation. I'm not sure what you meant with "This is due to the mating patterns brought about through the TransAtlantic slave trade", but it's hard to read it in a way that doesn't duplicate existing info, which mentions European admixture and intra-African sexual contact. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 20:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Nothing was reiterated. This was addition information. You stated “I don't think we should use it to reiterate that African American genetic populations differ from African genetic populations, as this is already mentioned.” This was not stated in the Wikipedia article already unless I missed it. The paragraph you removed, neatly included all points backing up genetics of AA.
As you stated, the source is credible. Your opinion is that it shouldn’t be there, yet it is fact. Does Wikipedia allow removing facts just because?
WayMaQueen ( talk) 21:19, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Is there reason to use the dash or not? I noticed use is mixed through this article (and also throughout other articles) and I don’t have a preference one way or the other, but it should probably be consistent, no? — HTGS ( talk) 21:04, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
@ MonsenorNouel: Your additions about "Black Americans of multigeneral [multigenerational ?] American origin" seem to be your own interpretation of the American census and the term itself seems to be unsourced. Rsk6400 ( talk) 14:32, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
"Black Americans of multigenerational American origin, Americans of distant African origins whose families been in the US since as far back as the 1600s, make up the vast majority of Blacks in the United States, estimated at about 75–80%"? Could you quote the source? Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 16:04, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm opening up a new thread to discuss my recent WP:BOLD addition of the clause "though this usage is not universally accepted." The previous wording was:
The term "African American" generally denotes descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States. [1] [2]
My updated version was
The term "African American" generally denotes descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States, [1] [2] though this usage is not universally accepted. [3]
My addition comports with well-sourced information in the following paragraph (thus avoiding an apparent contradiction), and is itself well sourced. The reference I added is by subject-matter expert Ira Berlin, a rather renowned scholar of African-American history. He was a president of the Organization of American Historians and the recipient of numerous prestigious awards and honors, including election to the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. His view on the contested definition of the term African-American, published in Smithsonian Magazine as an excerpt from his book The Making of African America: The Four Great Migrations, is the kind of gold-standard WP:SECONDARY source upon which we should be basing this article.
WayMaQueen reverted my addition, so I ask them to discuss the matter here. Thanks, Generalrelative ( talk) 18:02, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
No where in that article did it state that the narrative of who African Americans actually are has changed at all. It actually stated the opposite. The article actually states that African American is rightfully its own ethnic group separate from others. What was proven is that the African American ethnic group stands on its own based on historical facts from 400 years of documented history.
As a matter of fact, the article’s word for word says that “African- Americans have rightly laid claim to a unique identity”.
WayMaQueen ( talk) 18:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
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most (but not all) Americans of African descent are grouped racially as Black; however, the term African American refers to an ethnic group, most often to people whose ancestors experienced slavery in the United States (Soberon, 1996). Thus, not all Blacks in the United States are African-American (for example, some are from Haiti and others are from the Caribbean).
African American refers to descendants of enslaved Black people who are from the United States. The reason we use an entire continent (Africa) instead of a country (e.g., Irish American) is because slave masters purposefully obliterated tribal ancestry, language, and family units in order to destroy the spirit of the people they enslaved, thereby making it impossible for their descendants to trace their history prior to being born into slavery.
I'm going to rewrite the lede so that its first two paragraphs read:
"African Americans, also known as Afro-Americans or Black Americans, are an ethnic group [1] [2] consisting specifically of descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States. [3] [4] [5] Because of intranational migration (or lack thereof), there are varying tribes which may determine how the ethic group self-identifies (for instance, the Gullah).
African Americans constitute the third largest racial group in the U.S. after White Americans and Hispanic and Latino Americans, and depending on the census, the largest ethnic group (vying for the top spot with German Americans)."
-- There are 3 (@ NotPeterParker, @ MonsenorNouel, @ WayMaQueen) against 2 (@ Rsk6400, @ Firefangledfeathers) here on getting the required 'consensus' that a specific editor keeps making a fuss about. NotPeterParker ( talk) 22:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
This is why MONTHS ago, I suggested the lede be changed because the topic is about African Americans, not Black immigrants. Why the sentence is there at all is baffling. Black immigrants come over and ASSIMILATE into African American culture. They don’t share the same history, lingo, foods, perspectives at all. The lede could say that “some Black immigrants tend to assimilate into African American culture, taking on a fully assimilated African American cultural identity, (so much so that it is difficult to tell them apart), but most do not.” The addition of the words FULLY ASSIMILATE would automatically show the difference between an actual African American and an immigrant who is or has assimilated without having to rewrite a full three paragraphs.
Assimilate means to resemble - “Assimilation is most often talked about in the context of “cultural assimilation,” which is when immigrant groups are encouraged to “adopt the culture, values, and social behaviors of their host nation.” This means shedding or hiding aspects of one's culture – including certain foods, clothing, language, religious traditions, etc – that the host nation is unfamiliar with. Supporters of assimilation claim it creates a more cohesive cultural identity, reduces cultural conflict, and helps immigrants gain more social and economic opportunities”
CULTURAL ASSIMILATION - Cultural assimilation refers to the process in which a minority group or culture assumes the behaviors, values, rituals, and beliefs of their host nation's majority group
In the USA, the ethnic group African American is the nation’s majority group when it comes to the African Diaspora. If there was an influx of AA migrants to Jamaica, that influx of AA would ASSIMILATE. There isn’t a great influx to Jamaica however.
WayMaQueen ( talk) 13:06, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm with experienced editors FFF and Rsk here. I think I understand the concerns that others have raised, but Rsk is right that the proposed changes amount to original synthesis and are disallowed. The current lead is both well-sourced and WP:DUE, which is another way of saying useful to the reader. I think it should remain as-is pending new arguments. Generalrelative ( talk) 15:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
WayMaQueen ( talk) 16:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Here are some quotes from the article: ”While they seemed impressed—but not surprised—that slaves had played a part in breaking their own chains, and were interested in the events that had brought Lincoln to his decision during the summer of 1862, they insisted it had nothing to do with them. Simply put, it was not their history.”
“ And so the “not my history” disclaimer by people of African descent seemed particularly pointed”
This article doubled down on the fact that AA is its own ethnicity.
WayMaQueen (
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17:10, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
New circumstances, it seems, require a new narrative. But it need not—and should not—deny or contradict the slavery-to-freedom story. As the more recent arrivals add their own chapters, the themes derived from these various migrations, both forced and free, grow in significance. They allow us to see the African-American experience afresh and sharpen our awareness that African-American history is, in the end, of one piece.
The rest are opinions (such as the one you added)that shouldn’t be in the lead at all. 500 years of AA versus a “handful” of 60 years of immigrants to the USA who may not have a clear understanding of AA history nor can even speak on it thoroughly does not and will never warrant a change in anything AA. The article clearly backs up firmly African American as its own ethnicity.
The article you cited states clearly and definitively —- “African- Americans have rightly laid claim to a unique identity“
WayMaQueen ( talk) 18:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
References
most (but not all) Americans of African descent are grouped racially as Black; however, the term African American refers to an ethnic group, most often to people whose ancestors experienced slavery in the United States (Soberon, 1996). Thus, not all Blacks in the United States are African-American (for example, some are from Haiti and others are from the Caribbean).
African American refers to descendants of enslaved Black people who are from the United States. The reason we use an entire continent (Africa) instead of a country (e.g., Irish American) is because slave masters purposefully obliterated tribal ancestry, language, and family units in order to destroy the spirit of the people they enslaved, thereby making it impossible for their descendants to trace their history prior to being born into slavery.
@ Hemiauchenia: I'm not sure about your recent change of the definition. While the term African American itself points to Africa, and while slavery and all its consequences surely are important in African-American history (as well as in the history of the enslavers), I'm not sure about its "definingness", i.e. should it be part of the WP:LEADSENTENCE ? Rsk6400 ( talk) 07:36, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
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Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/03/25/the-growing-diversity-of-black-america/ White American 2023 ( talk) 09:20, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Question: I propose this slight modification:
According to Pew Research, in 2019 Texas had the largest non-Hispanic black population in the United States, followed by the states Georgia, Florida, New York and North Carolina.
However, the same source seems to disagree with this statement in the article: California, the nation's most populous state, has the fifth largest African American population, only behind New York, Texas, Georgia, and Florida.
According to the "Top five states of residence for the US black population" chart, the ranking for all African Americans from most to least is Texas, Florida, Georgia, New York, California.
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Source: https://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/omh/browse.aspx?lvl=3&lvlid=61 White American 2023 ( talk) 09:22, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Not done: This doesn't seem to be supported by the given source, which says In 2021, most of the US population livedin the South (38.4 percent of the total U.S. population).The ten states with the largest non-Hispanic black population in 2020 were Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Georgia, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia.
It also seems to conflict with Pew.
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Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/03/25/the-growing-diversity-of-black-america/#:~:text=The%20New%20York%20metropolitan%20area%20has%20the%20largest%20Black%20metropolitan%20population White American 2023 ( talk) 09:24, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Done, added "As of 2019" qualifier. Xan747 ( talk) 19:28, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Not done: I'll need at least one good citation to support those edits. Xan747 ( talk) 19:28, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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African Americans have the highest death rate for cancer. Add this information to the health section.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/health-equity/groups/african-american.htm#:~:text=Black%20people%20have%20the%20highest,cancers%20at%20a%20late%20stage. White American 2023 ( talk) 01:21, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Not done: Again this is a factoid bereft of context. Why do AAs have a higher rate of cancer? The link you give contains some answers. So does the next article on the page: How Racism Leads to Cancer Health Disparities. Perhaps that could do with a mention. Please a little more time with your sources so you can better represent what they say. Xan747 ( talk) 21:13, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
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African Americans are more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia than whites. Add this information to the mental health section.
Source: https://www.mhanational.org/issues/black-and-african-american-communities-and-mental-health
Source: https://www.psycom.net/schizophrenia-racial-disparities-black-people White American 2023 ( talk) 01:11, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Not done: While the sources you provide do support the edits you wish to make, they leave out other information in the same sources which give context. For example, the first sentence of your first citation reads, Overall, mental health conditions occur in Black and African American (B/AA) people in America at about the same or less frequency than in White Americans.
However, the edit you wish to make only mentions that AA's have a higher incidence of a serious mental illness. Needless to say, this is not terribly
WP:NPOV. I suggest you spend a little more time with your sources and suggest edits that are more thoughtful and inclusive of what is in them.
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African Americans are more likely to die from smoke related illnesses than whites.
85% of non-Hispanic African Americans who smoke smoke menthol cigarettes.
Source: https://smokingcessationleadership.ucsf.edu/raceethnicity
Also add Tobacco marketing targeting African Americans to health section. White American 2023 ( talk) 01:28, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Not done: The headline of your first citation is, "African American Communities Experience a Health Burden from Commercial Tobacco". So how about something like, African Americans are more likely to die from smoke related illnesses than whites, because they are more likely to smoke, or be exposed to second-hand smoke. This is due to a number of factors, including ....
and then from here, summarize this:
Tobacco companies have a long history of trying to influence African American people by donating to historically Black colleges and universities and sponsoring scholarships for African American students.3,6 They also give money to influential African American people, officials, and organizations.5 Tobacco companies have also advertised more heavily in magazines with larger numbers of African American readers.9
Then your requested link to Tobacco marketing targeting African Americans will make more sense. Xan747 ( talk) 21:31, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
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92% of African Americans felt discriminatio against black Americans
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/10/25/559015355/how-black-americans-see-discrimination Fajita Biscuit ( talk) 05:01, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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African Americans lose their virginities at a young age and have the highest rates of unplanned pregnancies.
By age 15, 33% of black males have already lost their virginity.
Source: https://anthrosource.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/maq.12047
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Black Americans have a increasing rate of mental illnesses such as depression and anxiety. Blacks are 20% more likely to experience serious mental health problems, such as Major Depressive Disorder or Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Many African Americans develope anxiety from discrimination. Black Americans comprise 40% of the homeless population, 50% of the prison population, and 45% of children in the foster care system in the United States. Add this important information to the mental heatlh section.
Source: https://www.columbiapsychiatry.org/news/addressing-mental-health-black-community 2600:6C50:7EF0:4A70:A18B:CCFA:3C30:D93D ( talk) 03:55, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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Why isn’t there a discrimination section? Add a discrimination section to the article.
80% of Americans say there is discrimination against Black Americans in the US: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/03/18/majorities-of-americans-see-at-least-some-discrimination-against-black-hispanic-and-asian-people-in-the-u-s/
Black men are less likely to get a job due to discrimination: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-are-employment-rates-so-low-among-black-men/
71% of Black Americans felt discrimination against and treated unfairly by other races: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2016/06/27/5-personal-experiences-with-discrimination/ 103.164.138.55 ( talk) 07:57, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
The image legend reads: "New York City is home by a significant margin to the world's largest Black population of any city outside Africa, at over 2.2 million". This is not true by a significant margin. São Paulo is home according to 2022 estimate of 4.25 million black people. See https://censo2022.ibge.gov.br/panorama/indicadores.html?localidade=3550308 and https://www.nossasaopaulo.org.br/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Mapa-da-Desigualdade-2022_TABELAS_23.pdf
Both Rio de Janeiro and Salvador I think have more black people than New York too. Brazil's black population is overall much larger than the US's. El Chemaniaco ( talk) 19:31, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
This fact in quotes below was removed despite the accuracy. (I can add more sources).
-”Ancestry.com also states that although they utilize African countries in their genetic results, it is to be interpreted as the regions where those modern day countries are located that hold their genetics since the modern day African countries were not formed until after the slave trade was over. This leads to why the ethnic group is called African American - their African ancestors are from mostly the entire West Coast and Central Africa, not from different countries, but several ethnic groups.An individual African American person can have over fifteen African ethnic groups in their genetic makeup alone due to the slave trade covering such vast areas.”-
This is common knowledge that African Americans are from several ethnic groups and not modern day countries, both by Ancestry and more sources. Modern day African countries didn’t exist until after TransAtlantic slave trade ended. See this link (2nd paragraph)
African Americans’ ethnic genetic history started prior to the formation of modern day countries. see 1500s map of West Africa at the start of the slave trade.
I can add these citations. This is important because it shows how the genetics are so vast in the African American ethnic group when they were sold into slavery. Most African ethnic groups who remained on the continent didn’t have this type of huge variety of genetic mixing because they remained mostly within their respective groups. This is why African American genetics are quite different and a wider variety according to the government here.
This paragraph should be included in as it breaks down the background of the genetics and it’s sourced well. WayMaQueen ( talk) 13:57, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
An “ethnic nation” would be made of only that ethnicity of ppl (ethnic group). African nations back then were defined in terms of their ethnicity. More explained in detail at the source below
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/ethnicity-an-african-predicament/
Black immigrants are added to the lede that “some will call themselves African American”. Should this sentence be here without context because Black Immigrants are not African Americans and the essay is about African Americans, not what Black Immigrants may or may not later call themselves?
If a Black immigrant assimilated into African American culture, that is a cultural assimilation, not ethnic, and should be stated as such being that they have adopted the culture of African Americans, not became an African American.
Moving doesn’t change an ethnicity. It changes a nationality. Immigrants are proud of their ethnicities because they have a whole other history, culture and languages than African Americans, including different emancipation dates and holidays.
Either the statement should be removed or placed in context of “cultural assimilation” because it’s obvious that an ethnic German can’t move and become an ethnic Italian like a Zulu can’t move and suddenly become Igbo or Yoruba, Egyptian or African American. Cultures and histories are different and should be respected and treated as such realistically and factually. About four citations can be added to clarify that sentence, and I can add quickly “via cultural assimilation” with newspaper citations and PhD researchers as it has been studied extensively. WayMaQueen ( talk) 16:12, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
Black immigrants are not African Americans? Your ideas seem to imply that ethnicity is something static which cannot be changed and which is independent from how people identify / call themselves. Rsk6400 ( talk) 16:17, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
The notion that ethnicity is immutable is incorrect and outdated academically. Ethnicity is a malleable social construct. As our article
Ethnicity says, By way of language shift, acculturation, adoption, and religious conversion, individuals or groups may over time shift from one ethnic group to another.
This definitely applies to African and Caribbean African immigrants over a few generations. Blended ethnicity and multiethnicity is also a thing.
Cullen328 (
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04:09, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
The article isn’t about Barack Obama. It is about African Americans. WayMaQueen ( talk) 19:22, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Copying a comment over from my user talk page:
What you removed wasn’t complicated nor confusing. It actually added to and didn’t rehash any information that was already there. It also utilized a a credible source which is already being used but for different information. WayMaQueen ( talk) 19:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Which was in reference to this removal.
I don't disagree that Zakharia is a credible source. We're already using and citing it. I don't think we should use it to reiterate that African American genetic populations differ from African genetic populations, as this is already mentioned. I don't think we should introduce the term "architecture" without explanation. I'm not sure what you meant with "This is due to the mating patterns brought about through the TransAtlantic slave trade", but it's hard to read it in a way that doesn't duplicate existing info, which mentions European admixture and intra-African sexual contact. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 20:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Nothing was reiterated. This was addition information. You stated “I don't think we should use it to reiterate that African American genetic populations differ from African genetic populations, as this is already mentioned.” This was not stated in the Wikipedia article already unless I missed it. The paragraph you removed, neatly included all points backing up genetics of AA.
As you stated, the source is credible. Your opinion is that it shouldn’t be there, yet it is fact. Does Wikipedia allow removing facts just because?
WayMaQueen ( talk) 21:19, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Is there reason to use the dash or not? I noticed use is mixed through this article (and also throughout other articles) and I don’t have a preference one way or the other, but it should probably be consistent, no? — HTGS ( talk) 21:04, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
@ MonsenorNouel: Your additions about "Black Americans of multigeneral [multigenerational ?] American origin" seem to be your own interpretation of the American census and the term itself seems to be unsourced. Rsk6400 ( talk) 14:32, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
"Black Americans of multigenerational American origin, Americans of distant African origins whose families been in the US since as far back as the 1600s, make up the vast majority of Blacks in the United States, estimated at about 75–80%"? Could you quote the source? Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 16:04, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm opening up a new thread to discuss my recent WP:BOLD addition of the clause "though this usage is not universally accepted." The previous wording was:
The term "African American" generally denotes descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States. [1] [2]
My updated version was
The term "African American" generally denotes descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States, [1] [2] though this usage is not universally accepted. [3]
My addition comports with well-sourced information in the following paragraph (thus avoiding an apparent contradiction), and is itself well sourced. The reference I added is by subject-matter expert Ira Berlin, a rather renowned scholar of African-American history. He was a president of the Organization of American Historians and the recipient of numerous prestigious awards and honors, including election to the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. His view on the contested definition of the term African-American, published in Smithsonian Magazine as an excerpt from his book The Making of African America: The Four Great Migrations, is the kind of gold-standard WP:SECONDARY source upon which we should be basing this article.
WayMaQueen reverted my addition, so I ask them to discuss the matter here. Thanks, Generalrelative ( talk) 18:02, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
No where in that article did it state that the narrative of who African Americans actually are has changed at all. It actually stated the opposite. The article actually states that African American is rightfully its own ethnic group separate from others. What was proven is that the African American ethnic group stands on its own based on historical facts from 400 years of documented history.
As a matter of fact, the article’s word for word says that “African- Americans have rightly laid claim to a unique identity”.
WayMaQueen ( talk) 18:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
References
most (but not all) Americans of African descent are grouped racially as Black; however, the term African American refers to an ethnic group, most often to people whose ancestors experienced slavery in the United States (Soberon, 1996). Thus, not all Blacks in the United States are African-American (for example, some are from Haiti and others are from the Caribbean).
African American refers to descendants of enslaved Black people who are from the United States. The reason we use an entire continent (Africa) instead of a country (e.g., Irish American) is because slave masters purposefully obliterated tribal ancestry, language, and family units in order to destroy the spirit of the people they enslaved, thereby making it impossible for their descendants to trace their history prior to being born into slavery.
I'm going to rewrite the lede so that its first two paragraphs read:
"African Americans, also known as Afro-Americans or Black Americans, are an ethnic group [1] [2] consisting specifically of descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States. [3] [4] [5] Because of intranational migration (or lack thereof), there are varying tribes which may determine how the ethic group self-identifies (for instance, the Gullah).
African Americans constitute the third largest racial group in the U.S. after White Americans and Hispanic and Latino Americans, and depending on the census, the largest ethnic group (vying for the top spot with German Americans)."
-- There are 3 (@ NotPeterParker, @ MonsenorNouel, @ WayMaQueen) against 2 (@ Rsk6400, @ Firefangledfeathers) here on getting the required 'consensus' that a specific editor keeps making a fuss about. NotPeterParker ( talk) 22:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
This is why MONTHS ago, I suggested the lede be changed because the topic is about African Americans, not Black immigrants. Why the sentence is there at all is baffling. Black immigrants come over and ASSIMILATE into African American culture. They don’t share the same history, lingo, foods, perspectives at all. The lede could say that “some Black immigrants tend to assimilate into African American culture, taking on a fully assimilated African American cultural identity, (so much so that it is difficult to tell them apart), but most do not.” The addition of the words FULLY ASSIMILATE would automatically show the difference between an actual African American and an immigrant who is or has assimilated without having to rewrite a full three paragraphs.
Assimilate means to resemble - “Assimilation is most often talked about in the context of “cultural assimilation,” which is when immigrant groups are encouraged to “adopt the culture, values, and social behaviors of their host nation.” This means shedding or hiding aspects of one's culture – including certain foods, clothing, language, religious traditions, etc – that the host nation is unfamiliar with. Supporters of assimilation claim it creates a more cohesive cultural identity, reduces cultural conflict, and helps immigrants gain more social and economic opportunities”
CULTURAL ASSIMILATION - Cultural assimilation refers to the process in which a minority group or culture assumes the behaviors, values, rituals, and beliefs of their host nation's majority group
In the USA, the ethnic group African American is the nation’s majority group when it comes to the African Diaspora. If there was an influx of AA migrants to Jamaica, that influx of AA would ASSIMILATE. There isn’t a great influx to Jamaica however.
WayMaQueen ( talk) 13:06, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm with experienced editors FFF and Rsk here. I think I understand the concerns that others have raised, but Rsk is right that the proposed changes amount to original synthesis and are disallowed. The current lead is both well-sourced and WP:DUE, which is another way of saying useful to the reader. I think it should remain as-is pending new arguments. Generalrelative ( talk) 15:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
WayMaQueen ( talk) 16:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Here are some quotes from the article: ”While they seemed impressed—but not surprised—that slaves had played a part in breaking their own chains, and were interested in the events that had brought Lincoln to his decision during the summer of 1862, they insisted it had nothing to do with them. Simply put, it was not their history.”
“ And so the “not my history” disclaimer by people of African descent seemed particularly pointed”
This article doubled down on the fact that AA is its own ethnicity.
WayMaQueen (
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17:10, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
New circumstances, it seems, require a new narrative. But it need not—and should not—deny or contradict the slavery-to-freedom story. As the more recent arrivals add their own chapters, the themes derived from these various migrations, both forced and free, grow in significance. They allow us to see the African-American experience afresh and sharpen our awareness that African-American history is, in the end, of one piece.
The rest are opinions (such as the one you added)that shouldn’t be in the lead at all. 500 years of AA versus a “handful” of 60 years of immigrants to the USA who may not have a clear understanding of AA history nor can even speak on it thoroughly does not and will never warrant a change in anything AA. The article clearly backs up firmly African American as its own ethnicity.
The article you cited states clearly and definitively —- “African- Americans have rightly laid claim to a unique identity“
WayMaQueen ( talk) 18:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
References
most (but not all) Americans of African descent are grouped racially as Black; however, the term African American refers to an ethnic group, most often to people whose ancestors experienced slavery in the United States (Soberon, 1996). Thus, not all Blacks in the United States are African-American (for example, some are from Haiti and others are from the Caribbean).
African American refers to descendants of enslaved Black people who are from the United States. The reason we use an entire continent (Africa) instead of a country (e.g., Irish American) is because slave masters purposefully obliterated tribal ancestry, language, and family units in order to destroy the spirit of the people they enslaved, thereby making it impossible for their descendants to trace their history prior to being born into slavery.
@ Hemiauchenia: I'm not sure about your recent change of the definition. While the term African American itself points to Africa, and while slavery and all its consequences surely are important in African-American history (as well as in the history of the enslavers), I'm not sure about its "definingness", i.e. should it be part of the WP:LEADSENTENCE ? Rsk6400 ( talk) 07:36, 3 December 2023 (UTC)