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Please replace the heading "1.1 Slavery Era" with "1.1 Colonial Period" and at the corresponding section, "Slavery Era" with "Colonial Period." The resoning is that this section includes period of non-Slavery (indentured servitude) and partial freedom. Also, as an Era, Colonial Period is more accurate.
BGirlLibrarian ( talk) 01:30, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
I really find very strange that anyone hasn’t pointed out this issue yet.
Here in Africa, there are many people who don’t like the usage of “African American” by Americans. For them, “African American” means something that is simultaneously from Africa and America (the continent) or something that is simultaneously from Africa and United States. For them, black people in the United States are Americans first and black after. For them, the usage of the expression “African American” will only perpetuate the racist idea that “anything black is African” or “anything African is black”. Some of those people even find offensive that black Americans try to identify themseelves with people of Africa when black Americans have nothing to do (culturally) with Africa. Yes, the ancestors of black Americans were Africans, but present day black Americans are not.
Could anyone be so kind to develop this issue, please?
Ten Islands ( talk) 14:26, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
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I am asking for an edit to delete one sentence of information from this article. Under Contemporary Issues, the second to last sentence in the second paragraph says "African American males are more likely to be killed by police" which is an inaccurate assessment of the source information, an article written by The Guardian(which happens to be highly biased and politically motivated). In this article, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/ , it is shown that the number of police shooting deaths in 2015 of people who identify as white Americans was 732 while the number of African Americans killed was 381 which is about 50% less than whites. This data from the FBI, https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43 , shows that whites commit about 50% more crime than African Americans. So if whites are killed about 50% more often and commit about 50% more crime, then the conclusion reached here is that African Americans criminals are killed by police officers at almost the exact same rate as white criminals. This means that the statement "African American males are more likely to be killed by police" is simply not true. So I ask whoever is reading this to make the appropriate edit.
AaronsWikipedia ( talk) 14:55, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
"But as data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population.
According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers."
It would seem then, based on your own source, that the phrase you would like to be deleted is actually correct. This is how I read the article, but maybe I'm missing something so I'll leave this open for other editors to comment. Topher385 ( talk) 16:25, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
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The "Sexuality" section is based on a single source which discusses a 2012 survey. The original link is dead, but you can read the same article here. It seems that African Americans are mentioned only a single sentence ("According to the survey, which was conducted between June and September, 4.6 percent of African-Americans identify as LGBT, 4 percent of Hispanics, 4.3 percent of Asians and 3.2 percent of whites"). It seems obvious to me that a single mention in a single source that describes a single survey does not merit its own section. Further, there do not seem to be "Sexuality" sections in such similar articles as White Americans or Hispanic and Latino Americans. I do not understand what purpose this section serves, other than to highlight a factoid from that one survey. Nigel Pap ( talk) 23:06, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
The definition nor the references support calling non-Citizens African Americans. Eodcarl ( talk) 21:16, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
BTW. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/african-american By actual definition one does have to be an American to be an African American. Eodcarl ( talk) 21:55, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
I have been in multiple discussions on several articles that use the term African American to describe slaves who were never Americans as African American. I understand the inclination to avoid the term black or other language, but Dred Scott, Nat Turner, among others were not Africa Americans, so they should not be described as such. Precision is the most important thing. Eodcarl ( talk) 23:47, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Enjoy your alternate reality that uses the fake term African American to refer even to people who were never Americans. I prefer accuracy and precision, neither of which have ever been important on Wikipedia. Enjoy your alternate reality supported by academic elitists who have never done anything. Eodcarl ( talk) 03:52, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
As seen here (followup edit here), I reverted this edit by Rjensen because this matter was previously discussed and settled. As seen at Talk:African Americans/Archive 19#"Negro-American", a discussion which included me, DD2K (Dave Dial) and Soupforone, there was agreement to leave "negro" out of the lead because it's no longer a significant alternative term for a black person and runs afoul the WP:Offensive material guideline. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 03:05, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
In the terms of the WP:Offensive material guideline, I don't see how the omission of "negro" or "negroes" from the lead is detrimental to the article. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 03:13, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
I would ask everyone who has this page on their watchlist to please take a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HipHopVisionary. To me, it feels like these socks have been appearing at an increasing rate. Also, not every sockpuppet is as obvious as Illuminati89 was just now. WP:BEANS and all, but these socks most often push their POV in the form of drive-by tagging and adding negative statistics, and outside of this page there also seems to be an interest in hip hop musicians (Drake in particular). It's important to remember to WP:AGF, but just be wary when it comes to new accounts who match that description making suspicious edits to this article. Sro23 ( talk) 21:19, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Is there a reason why both terms don't have their own pages? I only ask because there are two different pages for White Americans and European Americans and maybe we should also do the same to refer to native Black Americans from the U.S. and African Americans who migrate from Africa. I'm just curious and wanted to know if we should separate the two terms or if on the contrary, we should merge both the White Americans and European Americans pages into one. AquilaXIII ( talk) 09:21, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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I would like the sentence " In 2008, Barack Obama became the first African American to be elected President of the United States." replaced by " In 2008, Barack Obama became the first African American to be elected President of the United States, going on to be re-elected in 2012." 128.62.54.171 ( talk) 19:51, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
I have some friends that are blacks that are deeply offended by the term African-Americans, saying that it makes them feel different from everyone else, also that they are not even African, and wonder why whites aren't called "European-Americans". Stuff like this should be noted in the article. - ZLEA ( Talk, Contribs) 21:34, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
"nor do we have a category "Caucasian (or White) American people". (Which also raises the question, why isn't there?"
We have articles about European Americans and White Americans, but not Caucasian Americans. The closest thing to Caucasian we have is Caucasian race, where the term is defined as obsolete. :First introduced in early racial science and anthropometry, the term denoted one of the three purported major races of humankind (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid). Many social scientists have argued that such analyses are rooted in sociopolitical and historical processes rather than in empirical observation."
We have Category:American people of European descent and Category:White Americans. Dimadick ( talk) 00:51, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Mitchumch, regarding this edit you made, what is erroneous about having that link? Civil rights does redirect to the Civil and political rights article. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 03:02, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
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may you please put this cite down under related ethnic group The Kingdom of Koya (Liberia)[s://micronations.wiki/wiki/The_Kingdom_of_Koya_(Liberia) The Kingdom of Koya (Liberia)] this is african americans closest related ethnic group the current monarch is a african american hip hop artist https://www.cdbaby.com/cd/youngwhite1 please study the micronation site first king fondren bai ll stage name is young white 64.183.42.90 ( talk) 21:52, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Emmett Till#RfC: Should we include the "accused of showing an interest in a white woman" aspect in the lead or specifically the lead sentence?. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 19:39, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
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In the article it states that African Americans are "African Americans of 73.2–80.9% West African, 18–24% European, and 0.8–0.9% Native American genetic heritage, with large variation between individuals". This is not true for most African Americans. Some African Americans have less than 73.2% African DNA and some have more European and Native American DNA. There are different percentages of DNA for African Americans why is one specific percentage being used? I think this should be changed and all the different African American DNA percentages should be listed like below.
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Most African Americans are of West and Central African descent and are descendants of enslaved peoples within the boundaries of the present United States.[11][12] Many African Americans have some European and Native American ancestry as well. According to US Census Bureau data, African immigrants generally do not self-identify as African American.
Groupuscule, you stated you have not "seen the published literature address the question of whether some African Americans have all-African ancestry." That's the issue. I'm not sure that we should use a qualifier in this case when the literature seems to indicate that all African Americans have European DNA. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 23:19, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
The percentage values should be changed as they are false. Many tests show that some African Americans have less than 70% sub-Saharan DNA, more European and Native DNA. Some African Americans have higher Native American DNA like Snoop Dogg who has 23%. This is also another reason it should be changed as well because the percent values on the page boxes every African American in the same category. The percent values for sub-Saharan DNA should range between 65%-79%,the European 19%-30%, and the Native American 0.6%-12.5%. Sarahann26125 ( talk) 08:06, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Let's put the percentages of african, european and native ancestry back in the openeing paragraph. "some european and native american ancestry" is too vague and not accurate as african americans have far more european than native ancestry. its misleading. put all the sources percentages together eg 65-80 percent african, 18-25 percent european and 0.5-5 percent native. its important its at the top of the article because thats where most people read the article. (Underbelly 50).
I was using the percentages as an example. I said eg... Well I agree lets do that, Put lower degree of native american ancestry. (Underbelly 50) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Underbelly 50 ( talk • contribs)
The black Americans whose Ancestors were Slaves are an Amalgam of many different Ethnities from Western African and Western Central African countries and Angola. The Slaves were originally a very heterogenous Group.-- 95.113.225.46 ( talk) 10:19, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
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Add want to add the Kingdom of Koya as a related ethnic group because it is the Kingdom of Sierra Leon crio and Americo Liberians 204.102.74.248 ( talk) 23:31, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Subject matter experts are requested to peruse Definitions of whiteness in the United States#African_Americans, which requires expansion and (like the rest of the article) needs to be checked for accuracy and neutrality. Coretheapple ( talk) 14:38, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
The Terminology section says that "negro" was not used after the mid-1960s and "African American" was not used before 1988. What was used in between? I think the answer is "black" but this should be stated explicitly. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 01:51, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
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"According to US Census Bureau data, African immigrants generally do not self-identify as African American. The overwhelming majority of African immigrants identify instead with their own respective ethnicities (~95%)."
This is a bit misleading because it very quickly strays from the primary topic. It's not immediately clear that the report in question (which used data from 1980, 1990, and 2000) was only about foreign-born first generation African immigrants.
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Hi James343e, I think you are misunderstanding WP:BRD. If your edit is reverted, the onus is on you, and not the editors reverting you, to get consensus for the change before reinstating it. Sro23 ( talk) 02:22, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Sro23. But look at this: "Consider reverting only when necessary. BRD does not encourage reverting, but recognizes that reversions happen. When reverting, be specific about your reasons in the edit summary and use links if needed." Source: WP:BRD.
Also: "It is usually preferable to make an edit that retains at least some elements of a prior edit than to revert the prior edit." Source: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Revert_only_when_necessary
The onus is on you since you are the one who fully (not partially) reverted it without giving a reason.
I mean, I do not consider the "not consensus in the talk page" a genuine "reason", since a lot of editions are made on Wikipedia everyday without any kind of discussion in the talk page. In other words, to discuss in the talk page is not always a necessary condition to make editions. If you want to revert my edition, please be specific on why do you consider it wrong the sentence "enslaved sub-Saharan Africans". What is wrong with my edition? Any reason? James343e ( talk) 02:32, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes. Please read WP:No original research, one of Wikipedia's core content policies. You keep trying to change the first few sentences of this article, but they have four sources between them. Do any of the sources specifically mention "sub-Saharan Africa"? If not, you need to cite sources of your own—you can't add it to the sentences if the sources that support what's already there don't include it. So long as you keep adding original research, I will keep removing it. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 04:14, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Some of the slaves were taken from around Mauritania in the Maghreb, which is a trans-saharan area [3]. Soupforone ( talk) 04:35, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi everyone, sorry late reply. I was a bit stressed last month. Thank you so much for all your responses.
Hello Sro23, how are you? Well, I was looking on the internet and I couldn't find any reference indicating that slaves in the US were traded from North Africa.
Hi Soupforone . Thank you for the interesting reference! As you well know, the U.S Census defines North Africa as Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Morocco and Tunisia. Mauritania would not be there. More importantly, Mauritania is part of Sub-Saharan Africa: /info/en/?search=Sub-Saharan_Africa https://books.google.es/books?id=8DEpoST71d0C&pg=PA193&dq=mauritania+is+part+of+sub-saharan+africa&hl=es&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjer93n7NfZAhXCvxQKHduDBk84FBDoAQgyMAI#v=onepage&q=mauritania%20is%20part%20of%20sub-saharan%20africa&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by James343e ( talk • contribs) 13:57, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
Hello Malik Shabazz. Well, in the 7th reference of the article it is explicity said that "African American refers to descendants of enslaved Black people who are from the United States". So I do not think I am doing original research if I write the same as the source :). I think it is clear that the term African American refers to individuals who are descendants of Black African slaves, rather than Berber or Arab hypothetical slaves.
That's why I want to put the term black or sub-saharan African, to be more specific and avoid confusion. African American refers to blacks reather than Arabs or Berbers, and the term "enslaved Africans" can be ambigous.
I will put the same as the original source: "African American refers to descendants of enslaved Black people who are from the United States"
What do you think? Do you agree? Feel free to change it if you disagree. James343e ( talk) 03:02, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
The text says "in the 17th century... to English colonies". This is about slaves. Elizabeth and Francis Drake were involved in the slave trade in the 16th century. So were Towerson and Lock. The implication that English slavery only started in the 17th century is untrue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.53.53.170 ( talk) 12:52, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
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YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME BROUGHT IN 1619 AS INDENTURED SERVANTS OH PLEASE YOU PEOPLE LOVE TRYING TO ERASE YOUR SHAMEFUL HISTORY THAT WAS CHATTEL SLAVERY BLACKS DID NOT COME INTO THIS COUNTRY AS INDENTURED SERVANTS YOU PEOPLE NEED TO CHANGE THIS LIE BLACKS WERE BROUGHT TO THIS COUNTRY BY FORCE LIARS
The first sentence of this article is wrong, in that all Americans have ancestry in sub-Saharan African, since all humans originally came from Africa. In fact, the term "African American" is used to distinguish those Americans whose ancestors left sub-Saharan African in the 16th century or later. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 02:57, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
I think the article should start off something like this: African Americans are an ethnic group of Americans with total or partial recent ancestry from any of the black racial groups of Africa. It generally refers to Americans whose total or partial ancestry left sub-Saharan Africa in the 16th century or later. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 21:34, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
I agree that the admixture in Europe is not included in the ethnic group "African-American" as the term is commonly used. What I am saying that this article should state that clearly. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 23:29, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
I get that the Black, Pan-African, and African American community recognizes Obama as the first president from their race. However this page description: This article is about the U.S. population of Americans of West/Central African ancestry. For the population of recent African origins, see African immigration to the United States.
does not fit with this sentence at the end of the lead:
In 2008, Barack Obama became the first African American to be elected President of the United States.
Obama has only East African ancestry, and his African ancestry is descended from recent immigration.
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Funny, the Q&A you point to contradicts the second sentence of this article. It says all with black African ancestry are African-American, regardless of when they came to the US. But I guess you don't care about Wikipedia articles contradicting each other when you edit. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 16:49, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
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Change African Americans (also referred to as Black Americans or Afro-Americans[3]) to African Americans (also referred to as Black Americans or Black[3])
African Americans no longer use the term "Afro- American." Afro is a hairstyle in the USA and not a people group. People in the Caribbean or South American tend to use the term "Afro" in front of the country name to denote someone of African descent.
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template. While you're undoubtedly right that the term has become far less common, I wonder if your claim that "African Americans no longer use the term" is overstating things a bit. Can you provide a source to support your claim? In any event, this has been in the lead sentence in one form or another since 2005, so there needs to be clear consensus for changing it.
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Is anyone going to get bent out of shape if the following or something similar is posted as a hatnote? It reflects what was discussed previously under /info/en/?search=Talk:African_Americans/Archive_16#Hyphen and /info/en/?search=Talk:African_Americans/Archive_13#Hyphen
I think this might help avoid errors, of which there are plenty, in many other articles. I correct them when I find them. deisenbe ( talk) 10:08, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
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I would suggest the following addition to the section on the black church Additionally, 50% of american seventh-day-adventists are black. Rkgrant ( talk) 00:29, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Many African Americans marry Japanese people [4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.247.210.4 ( talk • contribs) 23:44, August 11, 2018 (UTC)
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Please replace the heading "1.1 Slavery Era" with "1.1 Colonial Period" and at the corresponding section, "Slavery Era" with "Colonial Period." The resoning is that this section includes period of non-Slavery (indentured servitude) and partial freedom. Also, as an Era, Colonial Period is more accurate.
BGirlLibrarian ( talk) 01:30, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
I really find very strange that anyone hasn’t pointed out this issue yet.
Here in Africa, there are many people who don’t like the usage of “African American” by Americans. For them, “African American” means something that is simultaneously from Africa and America (the continent) or something that is simultaneously from Africa and United States. For them, black people in the United States are Americans first and black after. For them, the usage of the expression “African American” will only perpetuate the racist idea that “anything black is African” or “anything African is black”. Some of those people even find offensive that black Americans try to identify themseelves with people of Africa when black Americans have nothing to do (culturally) with Africa. Yes, the ancestors of black Americans were Africans, but present day black Americans are not.
Could anyone be so kind to develop this issue, please?
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I am asking for an edit to delete one sentence of information from this article. Under Contemporary Issues, the second to last sentence in the second paragraph says "African American males are more likely to be killed by police" which is an inaccurate assessment of the source information, an article written by The Guardian(which happens to be highly biased and politically motivated). In this article, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/ , it is shown that the number of police shooting deaths in 2015 of people who identify as white Americans was 732 while the number of African Americans killed was 381 which is about 50% less than whites. This data from the FBI, https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43 , shows that whites commit about 50% more crime than African Americans. So if whites are killed about 50% more often and commit about 50% more crime, then the conclusion reached here is that African Americans criminals are killed by police officers at almost the exact same rate as white criminals. This means that the statement "African American males are more likely to be killed by police" is simply not true. So I ask whoever is reading this to make the appropriate edit.
AaronsWikipedia ( talk) 14:55, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
"But as data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population.
According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers."
It would seem then, based on your own source, that the phrase you would like to be deleted is actually correct. This is how I read the article, but maybe I'm missing something so I'll leave this open for other editors to comment. Topher385 ( talk) 16:25, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
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The "Sexuality" section is based on a single source which discusses a 2012 survey. The original link is dead, but you can read the same article here. It seems that African Americans are mentioned only a single sentence ("According to the survey, which was conducted between June and September, 4.6 percent of African-Americans identify as LGBT, 4 percent of Hispanics, 4.3 percent of Asians and 3.2 percent of whites"). It seems obvious to me that a single mention in a single source that describes a single survey does not merit its own section. Further, there do not seem to be "Sexuality" sections in such similar articles as White Americans or Hispanic and Latino Americans. I do not understand what purpose this section serves, other than to highlight a factoid from that one survey. Nigel Pap ( talk) 23:06, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
The definition nor the references support calling non-Citizens African Americans. Eodcarl ( talk) 21:16, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
BTW. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/african-american By actual definition one does have to be an American to be an African American. Eodcarl ( talk) 21:55, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
I have been in multiple discussions on several articles that use the term African American to describe slaves who were never Americans as African American. I understand the inclination to avoid the term black or other language, but Dred Scott, Nat Turner, among others were not Africa Americans, so they should not be described as such. Precision is the most important thing. Eodcarl ( talk) 23:47, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Enjoy your alternate reality that uses the fake term African American to refer even to people who were never Americans. I prefer accuracy and precision, neither of which have ever been important on Wikipedia. Enjoy your alternate reality supported by academic elitists who have never done anything. Eodcarl ( talk) 03:52, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
As seen here (followup edit here), I reverted this edit by Rjensen because this matter was previously discussed and settled. As seen at Talk:African Americans/Archive 19#"Negro-American", a discussion which included me, DD2K (Dave Dial) and Soupforone, there was agreement to leave "negro" out of the lead because it's no longer a significant alternative term for a black person and runs afoul the WP:Offensive material guideline. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 03:05, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
In the terms of the WP:Offensive material guideline, I don't see how the omission of "negro" or "negroes" from the lead is detrimental to the article. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 03:13, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
I would ask everyone who has this page on their watchlist to please take a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HipHopVisionary. To me, it feels like these socks have been appearing at an increasing rate. Also, not every sockpuppet is as obvious as Illuminati89 was just now. WP:BEANS and all, but these socks most often push their POV in the form of drive-by tagging and adding negative statistics, and outside of this page there also seems to be an interest in hip hop musicians (Drake in particular). It's important to remember to WP:AGF, but just be wary when it comes to new accounts who match that description making suspicious edits to this article. Sro23 ( talk) 21:19, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Is there a reason why both terms don't have their own pages? I only ask because there are two different pages for White Americans and European Americans and maybe we should also do the same to refer to native Black Americans from the U.S. and African Americans who migrate from Africa. I'm just curious and wanted to know if we should separate the two terms or if on the contrary, we should merge both the White Americans and European Americans pages into one. AquilaXIII ( talk) 09:21, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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I would like the sentence " In 2008, Barack Obama became the first African American to be elected President of the United States." replaced by " In 2008, Barack Obama became the first African American to be elected President of the United States, going on to be re-elected in 2012." 128.62.54.171 ( talk) 19:51, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
I have some friends that are blacks that are deeply offended by the term African-Americans, saying that it makes them feel different from everyone else, also that they are not even African, and wonder why whites aren't called "European-Americans". Stuff like this should be noted in the article. - ZLEA ( Talk, Contribs) 21:34, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
"nor do we have a category "Caucasian (or White) American people". (Which also raises the question, why isn't there?"
We have articles about European Americans and White Americans, but not Caucasian Americans. The closest thing to Caucasian we have is Caucasian race, where the term is defined as obsolete. :First introduced in early racial science and anthropometry, the term denoted one of the three purported major races of humankind (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid). Many social scientists have argued that such analyses are rooted in sociopolitical and historical processes rather than in empirical observation."
We have Category:American people of European descent and Category:White Americans. Dimadick ( talk) 00:51, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Mitchumch, regarding this edit you made, what is erroneous about having that link? Civil rights does redirect to the Civil and political rights article. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 03:02, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
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may you please put this cite down under related ethnic group The Kingdom of Koya (Liberia)[s://micronations.wiki/wiki/The_Kingdom_of_Koya_(Liberia) The Kingdom of Koya (Liberia)] this is african americans closest related ethnic group the current monarch is a african american hip hop artist https://www.cdbaby.com/cd/youngwhite1 please study the micronation site first king fondren bai ll stage name is young white 64.183.42.90 ( talk) 21:52, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Emmett Till#RfC: Should we include the "accused of showing an interest in a white woman" aspect in the lead or specifically the lead sentence?. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 19:39, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
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In the article it states that African Americans are "African Americans of 73.2–80.9% West African, 18–24% European, and 0.8–0.9% Native American genetic heritage, with large variation between individuals". This is not true for most African Americans. Some African Americans have less than 73.2% African DNA and some have more European and Native American DNA. There are different percentages of DNA for African Americans why is one specific percentage being used? I think this should be changed and all the different African American DNA percentages should be listed like below.
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Most African Americans are of West and Central African descent and are descendants of enslaved peoples within the boundaries of the present United States.[11][12] Many African Americans have some European and Native American ancestry as well. According to US Census Bureau data, African immigrants generally do not self-identify as African American.
Groupuscule, you stated you have not "seen the published literature address the question of whether some African Americans have all-African ancestry." That's the issue. I'm not sure that we should use a qualifier in this case when the literature seems to indicate that all African Americans have European DNA. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 23:19, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
The percentage values should be changed as they are false. Many tests show that some African Americans have less than 70% sub-Saharan DNA, more European and Native DNA. Some African Americans have higher Native American DNA like Snoop Dogg who has 23%. This is also another reason it should be changed as well because the percent values on the page boxes every African American in the same category. The percent values for sub-Saharan DNA should range between 65%-79%,the European 19%-30%, and the Native American 0.6%-12.5%. Sarahann26125 ( talk) 08:06, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Let's put the percentages of african, european and native ancestry back in the openeing paragraph. "some european and native american ancestry" is too vague and not accurate as african americans have far more european than native ancestry. its misleading. put all the sources percentages together eg 65-80 percent african, 18-25 percent european and 0.5-5 percent native. its important its at the top of the article because thats where most people read the article. (Underbelly 50).
I was using the percentages as an example. I said eg... Well I agree lets do that, Put lower degree of native american ancestry. (Underbelly 50) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Underbelly 50 ( talk • contribs)
The black Americans whose Ancestors were Slaves are an Amalgam of many different Ethnities from Western African and Western Central African countries and Angola. The Slaves were originally a very heterogenous Group.-- 95.113.225.46 ( talk) 10:19, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
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Add want to add the Kingdom of Koya as a related ethnic group because it is the Kingdom of Sierra Leon crio and Americo Liberians 204.102.74.248 ( talk) 23:31, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Subject matter experts are requested to peruse Definitions of whiteness in the United States#African_Americans, which requires expansion and (like the rest of the article) needs to be checked for accuracy and neutrality. Coretheapple ( talk) 14:38, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
The Terminology section says that "negro" was not used after the mid-1960s and "African American" was not used before 1988. What was used in between? I think the answer is "black" but this should be stated explicitly. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 01:51, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
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"According to US Census Bureau data, African immigrants generally do not self-identify as African American. The overwhelming majority of African immigrants identify instead with their own respective ethnicities (~95%)."
This is a bit misleading because it very quickly strays from the primary topic. It's not immediately clear that the report in question (which used data from 1980, 1990, and 2000) was only about foreign-born first generation African immigrants.
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Hi James343e, I think you are misunderstanding WP:BRD. If your edit is reverted, the onus is on you, and not the editors reverting you, to get consensus for the change before reinstating it. Sro23 ( talk) 02:22, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Sro23. But look at this: "Consider reverting only when necessary. BRD does not encourage reverting, but recognizes that reversions happen. When reverting, be specific about your reasons in the edit summary and use links if needed." Source: WP:BRD.
Also: "It is usually preferable to make an edit that retains at least some elements of a prior edit than to revert the prior edit." Source: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Revert_only_when_necessary
The onus is on you since you are the one who fully (not partially) reverted it without giving a reason.
I mean, I do not consider the "not consensus in the talk page" a genuine "reason", since a lot of editions are made on Wikipedia everyday without any kind of discussion in the talk page. In other words, to discuss in the talk page is not always a necessary condition to make editions. If you want to revert my edition, please be specific on why do you consider it wrong the sentence "enslaved sub-Saharan Africans". What is wrong with my edition? Any reason? James343e ( talk) 02:32, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes. Please read WP:No original research, one of Wikipedia's core content policies. You keep trying to change the first few sentences of this article, but they have four sources between them. Do any of the sources specifically mention "sub-Saharan Africa"? If not, you need to cite sources of your own—you can't add it to the sentences if the sources that support what's already there don't include it. So long as you keep adding original research, I will keep removing it. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 04:14, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Some of the slaves were taken from around Mauritania in the Maghreb, which is a trans-saharan area [3]. Soupforone ( talk) 04:35, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi everyone, sorry late reply. I was a bit stressed last month. Thank you so much for all your responses.
Hello Sro23, how are you? Well, I was looking on the internet and I couldn't find any reference indicating that slaves in the US were traded from North Africa.
Hi Soupforone . Thank you for the interesting reference! As you well know, the U.S Census defines North Africa as Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Morocco and Tunisia. Mauritania would not be there. More importantly, Mauritania is part of Sub-Saharan Africa: /info/en/?search=Sub-Saharan_Africa https://books.google.es/books?id=8DEpoST71d0C&pg=PA193&dq=mauritania+is+part+of+sub-saharan+africa&hl=es&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjer93n7NfZAhXCvxQKHduDBk84FBDoAQgyMAI#v=onepage&q=mauritania%20is%20part%20of%20sub-saharan%20africa&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by James343e ( talk • contribs) 13:57, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
Hello Malik Shabazz. Well, in the 7th reference of the article it is explicity said that "African American refers to descendants of enslaved Black people who are from the United States". So I do not think I am doing original research if I write the same as the source :). I think it is clear that the term African American refers to individuals who are descendants of Black African slaves, rather than Berber or Arab hypothetical slaves.
That's why I want to put the term black or sub-saharan African, to be more specific and avoid confusion. African American refers to blacks reather than Arabs or Berbers, and the term "enslaved Africans" can be ambigous.
I will put the same as the original source: "African American refers to descendants of enslaved Black people who are from the United States"
What do you think? Do you agree? Feel free to change it if you disagree. James343e ( talk) 03:02, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
The text says "in the 17th century... to English colonies". This is about slaves. Elizabeth and Francis Drake were involved in the slave trade in the 16th century. So were Towerson and Lock. The implication that English slavery only started in the 17th century is untrue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.53.53.170 ( talk) 12:52, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
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YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME BROUGHT IN 1619 AS INDENTURED SERVANTS OH PLEASE YOU PEOPLE LOVE TRYING TO ERASE YOUR SHAMEFUL HISTORY THAT WAS CHATTEL SLAVERY BLACKS DID NOT COME INTO THIS COUNTRY AS INDENTURED SERVANTS YOU PEOPLE NEED TO CHANGE THIS LIE BLACKS WERE BROUGHT TO THIS COUNTRY BY FORCE LIARS
The first sentence of this article is wrong, in that all Americans have ancestry in sub-Saharan African, since all humans originally came from Africa. In fact, the term "African American" is used to distinguish those Americans whose ancestors left sub-Saharan African in the 16th century or later. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 02:57, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
I think the article should start off something like this: African Americans are an ethnic group of Americans with total or partial recent ancestry from any of the black racial groups of Africa. It generally refers to Americans whose total or partial ancestry left sub-Saharan Africa in the 16th century or later. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 21:34, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
I agree that the admixture in Europe is not included in the ethnic group "African-American" as the term is commonly used. What I am saying that this article should state that clearly. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 23:29, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
I get that the Black, Pan-African, and African American community recognizes Obama as the first president from their race. However this page description: This article is about the U.S. population of Americans of West/Central African ancestry. For the population of recent African origins, see African immigration to the United States.
does not fit with this sentence at the end of the lead:
In 2008, Barack Obama became the first African American to be elected President of the United States.
Obama has only East African ancestry, and his African ancestry is descended from recent immigration.
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Funny, the Q&A you point to contradicts the second sentence of this article. It says all with black African ancestry are African-American, regardless of when they came to the US. But I guess you don't care about Wikipedia articles contradicting each other when you edit. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 16:49, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
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Change African Americans (also referred to as Black Americans or Afro-Americans[3]) to African Americans (also referred to as Black Americans or Black[3])
African Americans no longer use the term "Afro- American." Afro is a hairstyle in the USA and not a people group. People in the Caribbean or South American tend to use the term "Afro" in front of the country name to denote someone of African descent.
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template. While you're undoubtedly right that the term has become far less common, I wonder if your claim that "African Americans no longer use the term" is overstating things a bit. Can you provide a source to support your claim? In any event, this has been in the lead sentence in one form or another since 2005, so there needs to be clear consensus for changing it.
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Is anyone going to get bent out of shape if the following or something similar is posted as a hatnote? It reflects what was discussed previously under /info/en/?search=Talk:African_Americans/Archive_16#Hyphen and /info/en/?search=Talk:African_Americans/Archive_13#Hyphen
I think this might help avoid errors, of which there are plenty, in many other articles. I correct them when I find them. deisenbe ( talk) 10:08, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
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I would suggest the following addition to the section on the black church Additionally, 50% of american seventh-day-adventists are black. Rkgrant ( talk) 00:29, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Many African Americans marry Japanese people [4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.247.210.4 ( talk • contribs) 23:44, August 11, 2018 (UTC)