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We need more information about crashes. I added a recent crash, from Melbourne Australia [1], but someone deleted it because apparently the source is non-notable. There are a lot of lines in this article that sound like advertising, heaping praise on the Aero Commander. If you are going to include all that praise, you need to include crashes to balance it. 203.217.41.202 09:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC) EDIT Sorry, I misunderstood. The crash information is still there and wasn't deleted at all. (I read the History section which said it had been deleted). Cheers. 203.217.41.202 09:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi. One thing I would like to see in this article is more dates. We see that the Aero Commander was built from 1948. But when did it finish? Is it still in production? The 'Variants' section lists one or two dates, but it would be good to have dates next to all those models, that is, between what years were those models built? It's just a suggestion that I think would improve the article, though I realise it would take a lot of work to do. Cheers 203.217.41.202 21:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
This article really needs a lot of work, including the Turbine Powered Commanders under an article called aero commander 500 is amateurish and wrong. There is also no mention of Twin Commander Aircraft Corporation and the current usage of the birds. - 76.7.32.231 ( talk) 05:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
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The article has a name that misrepresents its content: "Aero Commander 500 family" In fact, many (perhaps most) of the discussion here is about aircraft that are not really part of that model family (the 500-series certified under FAA Type Certificate 6A1), but rather are the 600-series family -- significantly different aircraft certified under Type Certificate 2A4.
The range of aircraft here vary from:
It's simply absurd to class them all as the "500 family," just as it would be to class the Beech King Air and Beech Queen Air "families" with the Beech Twin Bonanza family from which they both evolved.
In fact, the FAA was rather charitable in grouping as many different models of "twin Commanders" under the original TC as they did, when, in reality, the various "500 family" models were very different from one another -- in engine configurations (geared vs. direct-drive; carbureted vs. injected vs. turbocharged), horsepower, fuel requirements, nacelles (round vs. flat), landing gear (straight-retract vs. rotating), max cruise speeds and altitudes, and physical weights and dimensions.
If this article is to remain basically intact, as is -- without massive editing, and relocation of most of its text to other articles (many of them new) for appropriate model numbers, and other changes -- then a change of name is really called for (IMHO).
These planes have had countless "official" manufacturer brand names: Aero Design, Aero Commander, Rockwell Commander, Rockwell, Gulfstream -- and are currently remanufactured (rebuilt to "as new") by the "Twin Commander Aircraft Corp." -- but are all commonly referred to, in normal aviation-pro conversations, as "Aero Commanders" or "twin Commanders")
I propose one of these three names for this article, in order from what I think is most relevant to what is least relevant:
I don't want to take this drastic step without support. What say you?
~ Zxtxtxz ( talk) 10:17, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Certainly dont take to Aero Commander twins, if it was me I would suggest:
~ Zxtxtxz ( talk) 12:30, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
@ Ahunt, MilborneOne, and Zxtxtxz: The discussion has been stalled here for several weeks. The best proposal I see is the following by Milb1:
Can we move forward on these splits, bearing in mind that consensus isn't unanimity? Thanks. - BilCat ( talk) 18:12, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Note there is also an article at Rockwell 685, which was just created last week. Should that be incorporated into one of the above options, perhaps by a move to one of those titles for expansion? - BilCat ( talk) 18:25, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
In the "Single engine safety" subsection, I put the "100,000 hours" numbers in words ("hundred-thousand hours"), rather than numerals, so those plentiful digits (which would otherwise have been repeated throughout the section) did not distract from the numbers for which they provided context (the various crash rates). Normally I'd use numerals, but in this case they would have undermined the clarity and readability of the essential data, undermining the whole point of the paragraph (see: "But adjacent quantities not comparable should usually be in different formats" in WP:NUMNOTES). ~ Zxtxtxz ( talk) 12:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
I took some time to curate an illustrative gallery at Commons:Aero Commander 500 family. The current main picture is OK but points away from the text and is a little bland, here are three possible alternates:
I think the Jetprop 1000 picture is interesting, a little from above, it better depict the aircraft configuration, but it points away from the text. Any other thoughts?-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 11:31, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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We need more information about crashes. I added a recent crash, from Melbourne Australia [1], but someone deleted it because apparently the source is non-notable. There are a lot of lines in this article that sound like advertising, heaping praise on the Aero Commander. If you are going to include all that praise, you need to include crashes to balance it. 203.217.41.202 09:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC) EDIT Sorry, I misunderstood. The crash information is still there and wasn't deleted at all. (I read the History section which said it had been deleted). Cheers. 203.217.41.202 09:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi. One thing I would like to see in this article is more dates. We see that the Aero Commander was built from 1948. But when did it finish? Is it still in production? The 'Variants' section lists one or two dates, but it would be good to have dates next to all those models, that is, between what years were those models built? It's just a suggestion that I think would improve the article, though I realise it would take a lot of work to do. Cheers 203.217.41.202 21:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
This article really needs a lot of work, including the Turbine Powered Commanders under an article called aero commander 500 is amateurish and wrong. There is also no mention of Twin Commander Aircraft Corporation and the current usage of the birds. - 76.7.32.231 ( talk) 05:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
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The article has a name that misrepresents its content: "Aero Commander 500 family" In fact, many (perhaps most) of the discussion here is about aircraft that are not really part of that model family (the 500-series certified under FAA Type Certificate 6A1), but rather are the 600-series family -- significantly different aircraft certified under Type Certificate 2A4.
The range of aircraft here vary from:
It's simply absurd to class them all as the "500 family," just as it would be to class the Beech King Air and Beech Queen Air "families" with the Beech Twin Bonanza family from which they both evolved.
In fact, the FAA was rather charitable in grouping as many different models of "twin Commanders" under the original TC as they did, when, in reality, the various "500 family" models were very different from one another -- in engine configurations (geared vs. direct-drive; carbureted vs. injected vs. turbocharged), horsepower, fuel requirements, nacelles (round vs. flat), landing gear (straight-retract vs. rotating), max cruise speeds and altitudes, and physical weights and dimensions.
If this article is to remain basically intact, as is -- without massive editing, and relocation of most of its text to other articles (many of them new) for appropriate model numbers, and other changes -- then a change of name is really called for (IMHO).
These planes have had countless "official" manufacturer brand names: Aero Design, Aero Commander, Rockwell Commander, Rockwell, Gulfstream -- and are currently remanufactured (rebuilt to "as new") by the "Twin Commander Aircraft Corp." -- but are all commonly referred to, in normal aviation-pro conversations, as "Aero Commanders" or "twin Commanders")
I propose one of these three names for this article, in order from what I think is most relevant to what is least relevant:
I don't want to take this drastic step without support. What say you?
~ Zxtxtxz ( talk) 10:17, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Certainly dont take to Aero Commander twins, if it was me I would suggest:
~ Zxtxtxz ( talk) 12:30, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
@ Ahunt, MilborneOne, and Zxtxtxz: The discussion has been stalled here for several weeks. The best proposal I see is the following by Milb1:
Can we move forward on these splits, bearing in mind that consensus isn't unanimity? Thanks. - BilCat ( talk) 18:12, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Note there is also an article at Rockwell 685, which was just created last week. Should that be incorporated into one of the above options, perhaps by a move to one of those titles for expansion? - BilCat ( talk) 18:25, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
In the "Single engine safety" subsection, I put the "100,000 hours" numbers in words ("hundred-thousand hours"), rather than numerals, so those plentiful digits (which would otherwise have been repeated throughout the section) did not distract from the numbers for which they provided context (the various crash rates). Normally I'd use numerals, but in this case they would have undermined the clarity and readability of the essential data, undermining the whole point of the paragraph (see: "But adjacent quantities not comparable should usually be in different formats" in WP:NUMNOTES). ~ Zxtxtxz ( talk) 12:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
I took some time to curate an illustrative gallery at Commons:Aero Commander 500 family. The current main picture is OK but points away from the text and is a little bland, here are three possible alternates:
I think the Jetprop 1000 picture is interesting, a little from above, it better depict the aircraft configuration, but it points away from the text. Any other thoughts?-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 11:31, 17 May 2021 (UTC)