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According to this post on Aviation Week, "Atlas has a rotor diameter of 66.2ft, a total span of 153.9ft" whiich would give rotors diameters of about 20.2 m, half of what's mentionned in the article. And it looks visually more realistic to me, but I'm not sure.
By the way it's surprizing to see no "official" data on AeroVelo's website
Goulu 08:43, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
The rotor diameter is 66.2 ft and the total span is 190 ft. AvWeek is wrong. See reference 2: "Vertiflite, "Human Powered Helicopters Rise Higher"". AHS International. November-December, 2012. Retrieved July 12, 2013. This has a great table that compares the dimensions of all of the HPHs. If I had time, I would add all these to the HPH page!
Vertiflite (
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04:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
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help)</ref> I wondered if in editing the citations drifted around but see the same cite was used in
this edit which added the claim. The page at URL
http://vtol.org/hph-news is a list of articles. Which one(s) are the specific articles that support the "largest" claim?This issue has not yet been resolved.
Which is it? - AndrewDressel ( talk) 17:51, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Here's one source, Dezeen Magazine, that provides both dimensions without further comment: "Atlas weighs only 55kg, but spans 50 metres (162 feet)" and "Atlas spans an incredible 46.9 metres (154 feet) rotor tip to rotor tip, while weighing only 55kg." - AndrewDressel ( talk) 15:07, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, I contacted Meg Campbell, Communications & Marketing Director at AeroVelo, about the quandary, and her entire reply was "The correct dimension is 154 ft." And now, the AeroVelo Technical Information page also states "Maximum Dimension: 46.4m (154ft)". Apparently the 162 ft was a mistake that has now been corrected. - AndrewDressel ( talk) 13:22, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
I removed:
"...and the 2nd largest helicopter ever flown (after the Mil V-12)."
from the Operational History section, as this claim needs to be clarified. (A 120 lb. pedal-powered copter is second (in what?) only to a 214,000 lb., gas-turbine powered, heavy transport helicopter?) I also could not find anything about the Mil V-12 in the reference provided: [1] Perhaps whichever editor included this could clarify? Thanks. - thewolfchild 01:57, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
( I believe the edit was made by User:Vertiflite, perhaps he can confirm this and if so, provide the clarification I requested. - Wolf )
Helicopter | Number of Rotors | Diameter per Rotar | Overall Rotor Area |
---|---|---|---|
Atlas | 4 | 66'3" | 13800 sq. ft. |
Mil V-12 | 2 | 114'10" | 20700 sq. ft. |
Mil Mi-10 | 1 | 114'10" | 10350 sq. ft. |
Mil Mi-26 | 1 | 105'0" | 8659 sq. ft. |
Hughes XH-17 | 1 | 129'11" | 13273 sq. ft. |
V-22 Osprey | 2 | 38'0" | 4536 sq. ft. |
Making your own comparisons with other aircraft and then assigning this aircraft the title of "second biggest" or "second largest rotor area...etc" is strictly WP:OR. And the reason for that is that your inclusion of this or that other aircraft in the comparison may be incomplete or flawed. If you want the article to say this aircraft is the "second biggest..." or similar then you need to cite a ref that says that as per WP:V or not include this comparison. - Ahunt ( talk) 00:54, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
These may help:
- AndrewDressel ( talk) 15:33, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
References
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It seems relevant to insert that the Sikorski Prize is for a whopping $250,000 (which I found by enlarging the picture of the presentation). Dick Kimball ( talk) 12:59, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Not to belittle the achievement of the AVA Team, but maybe it should be noted in some way that a helicopter which is actually "flying" is someting quite different aerodynamically than some contraption which is hovering close to the ground. -- BjKa ( talk) 11:47, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
The Picture "AeroVelo_Atlas_top_view.jpg" which is currently included in Human-powered helicopter gives a much better impression of AVA, while "AHS Sikorsky Prize Winning Flight by AeroVelo.jpg" which is used here actually shows the human effort. I believe both articles would benefit from the pictures being swapped. -- BjKa ( talk) 11:47, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
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According to this post on Aviation Week, "Atlas has a rotor diameter of 66.2ft, a total span of 153.9ft" whiich would give rotors diameters of about 20.2 m, half of what's mentionned in the article. And it looks visually more realistic to me, but I'm not sure.
By the way it's surprizing to see no "official" data on AeroVelo's website
Goulu 08:43, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
The rotor diameter is 66.2 ft and the total span is 190 ft. AvWeek is wrong. See reference 2: "Vertiflite, "Human Powered Helicopters Rise Higher"". AHS International. November-December, 2012. Retrieved July 12, 2013. This has a great table that compares the dimensions of all of the HPHs. If I had time, I would add all these to the HPH page!
Vertiflite (
talk)
04:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
{{
cite web}}
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help)</ref> I wondered if in editing the citations drifted around but see the same cite was used in
this edit which added the claim. The page at URL
http://vtol.org/hph-news is a list of articles. Which one(s) are the specific articles that support the "largest" claim?This issue has not yet been resolved.
Which is it? - AndrewDressel ( talk) 17:51, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Here's one source, Dezeen Magazine, that provides both dimensions without further comment: "Atlas weighs only 55kg, but spans 50 metres (162 feet)" and "Atlas spans an incredible 46.9 metres (154 feet) rotor tip to rotor tip, while weighing only 55kg." - AndrewDressel ( talk) 15:07, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, I contacted Meg Campbell, Communications & Marketing Director at AeroVelo, about the quandary, and her entire reply was "The correct dimension is 154 ft." And now, the AeroVelo Technical Information page also states "Maximum Dimension: 46.4m (154ft)". Apparently the 162 ft was a mistake that has now been corrected. - AndrewDressel ( talk) 13:22, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
I removed:
"...and the 2nd largest helicopter ever flown (after the Mil V-12)."
from the Operational History section, as this claim needs to be clarified. (A 120 lb. pedal-powered copter is second (in what?) only to a 214,000 lb., gas-turbine powered, heavy transport helicopter?) I also could not find anything about the Mil V-12 in the reference provided: [1] Perhaps whichever editor included this could clarify? Thanks. - thewolfchild 01:57, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
( I believe the edit was made by User:Vertiflite, perhaps he can confirm this and if so, provide the clarification I requested. - Wolf )
Helicopter | Number of Rotors | Diameter per Rotar | Overall Rotor Area |
---|---|---|---|
Atlas | 4 | 66'3" | 13800 sq. ft. |
Mil V-12 | 2 | 114'10" | 20700 sq. ft. |
Mil Mi-10 | 1 | 114'10" | 10350 sq. ft. |
Mil Mi-26 | 1 | 105'0" | 8659 sq. ft. |
Hughes XH-17 | 1 | 129'11" | 13273 sq. ft. |
V-22 Osprey | 2 | 38'0" | 4536 sq. ft. |
Making your own comparisons with other aircraft and then assigning this aircraft the title of "second biggest" or "second largest rotor area...etc" is strictly WP:OR. And the reason for that is that your inclusion of this or that other aircraft in the comparison may be incomplete or flawed. If you want the article to say this aircraft is the "second biggest..." or similar then you need to cite a ref that says that as per WP:V or not include this comparison. - Ahunt ( talk) 00:54, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
These may help:
- AndrewDressel ( talk) 15:33, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
References
{{
cite web}}
: Check date values in: |date=
(
help)
It seems relevant to insert that the Sikorski Prize is for a whopping $250,000 (which I found by enlarging the picture of the presentation). Dick Kimball ( talk) 12:59, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Not to belittle the achievement of the AVA Team, but maybe it should be noted in some way that a helicopter which is actually "flying" is someting quite different aerodynamically than some contraption which is hovering close to the ground. -- BjKa ( talk) 11:47, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
The Picture "AeroVelo_Atlas_top_view.jpg" which is currently included in Human-powered helicopter gives a much better impression of AVA, while "AHS Sikorsky Prize Winning Flight by AeroVelo.jpg" which is used here actually shows the human effort. I believe both articles would benefit from the pictures being swapped. -- BjKa ( talk) 11:47, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
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