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The character catches a bullet with his hands and seems to be capable of several other feats that surpass the abilities of a normal human being. I wonder how he manages to do that. Shouldn't that be mentioned? 134.106.199.1 09:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it's that he actually moves faster than a bullet, but he's able to anticipate where the bullet will hit and is able to move faster than the trigger is pulled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.32.174.24 ( talk) 16:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
He still has to move faster than the bullet to catch it. Even if he knew when the trigger was pulled, no human being can move quickly enough to intercept a bullet. It's super speed and reaction time without a doubt. 69.9.210.13 ( talk) 22:10, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
188.28.162.241 ( talk) 14:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC) Greenaum
I disagree with several points in this section. I don't think that Veidt likes to kill, but rather that his "sloppiness" surrounding the staged assassination attempt merely reflects his unbridled egotism. From his point of view, each of the deaths were logically necessary to achieve his goals, and I'm sure he felt that no one would be clever enough to trace his ownership of the businesses.
I'm not entirely sure analysis sections like these should even appear in articles, since they tend to be fannish and encourage speculation and "new research". - DynSkeet (talk) 11:42, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
It's also interesting to note that Veidt fits perfectly with the image of the ideal Aryan German. Ironically, he calls the Comedian "practically a Nazi," to which Rorschach points out that Veidt was more of a sell-out concerning the Keene Act. When Veidt finally teleports the monster, he is treating New York as the Nazis treated any group they persecuted. New York, with all of its weak citizens as pointed out through the book, becomes the sacrificial lamb for Veidt's plan. Veidt is also a profiteer of his own acts, using the attack to sell his already-planned "Millenium" line, featuring more Aryan imagery. Veidt is Truman, but also Hitler, Stalin and Henry Ford rolled in one. Is he right? Few people think that Hitler, Stalin and Ford were. Palexandridis 17:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Something else struck me while reading the series: it's the set of ads for perfume/cosmetics from Adrian's companies, which are initially set in a somber mood and, right after the explosion, replaced by a new product line illustrated by positive themes (see 'this is the time, these are the feelings'). This illustrates the depth of his thinking, also one step ahead of others in trade as weel as in his general "world saviour" plan. I think something should be added about it.
Tell the americans who glorify Ozymandias and Truman for dropping the nuclear bomb in Hiroshima and killing half the population of New York to FUCK OFF! 168.243.218.2
I'm not going to comment on the above statement, but I do notice an error in the comparison to the dropping of the A-bomb. Truman wasn't elected at the time, and so Rorschach was merely holding two men up to very different standards. 69.117.143.23
Well, *I* am going to comment on the first statement: I'm not from Japan, but it's debatable whether Truman dropped the bomb in order to end the war, or to test new war tech, or to impress the Soviets. So the comparison in the article is suspect... It's not clear WHY Truman dropped the bomb at all. Some people outside the US consider him a war criminal. I know I do. 201.235.51.167 23:48, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm an american, most of my friends have read Watchmen, and none of us support past or future atomic warfare, but we are less decisive about Veidt for one major reason: Watchmen's central idea is that human concepts of moral absolutism are basically worthless. So anybody glorifying Veidt AND Truman must have missed the point, not only because they are glorifying a character from Watchmen, but also because they have obviously read Watchmen and are still supporting a moral absolute. - Nietzscheanlie
I'm not convinced Ozymandias should be in this category, the comic has a more nuanced view of morality in both intent and action, and I don't think he is meant to be seen as an "evil" character per se. Thoughts? JoshuaZ 03:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
So I was reading anotehr finely written wikiarticle about the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and their music video for "Otherside". The inspiration for the visual style of it came from a groundbreaking German Expressionist film from the 1920's, called "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari". I was in the middle of watching it over at archive.org ( http://www.archive.org/stream/DasKabinettdesDoktorCaligariTheCabinetofDrCaligari/The_Cabinet_of_Dr._Caligari_256kb.mp4) and noticed in the opening credits, that the somnambulist, a key character in the film, is played by a man named Conrad Veidt. I didn't notice any mention of this in the article, but I think that there may be something to this.
While this is an interesting parallel drawn between Illuminatus and Watchmen, this is most likely due Alan Moore's influence from Wilson and Shea as strikingly themes from Illuminatus tend to pop up in his work repeatedly (numerology and philosophy on government in V for Vendetta; direct citation of RAW's work in the notes to From Hell, etc.) Since there's no mention of trancendental immortality in Watchmen, it would seem more likely that the eye in the pyramid is an homage to Illuminatus, if you could even say that since Wilson and Shea did not create the idea of the secret society, only popularized it (although, yeah the mass murder thing is still there). In any case, where's the Karen Berger comment?
Unfortunately, the comment is as yet unpublished outside of here. I hadn't read the part about DOCUMENTING sources for Wikipedia before I put this in. The exact conversation, as I recall it (it was @ 1987, Animal Man was out, and Chas. Truog was sitting beside me):
Karen (looking at 1st ILL! comic): Alan Moore would really like to see this.
Me: Yes, I noticed from reading Watchmen that he ws an Illuminatus! fan. Interesting how if you know about transcendental illumination how it totally changes the ending of Watchmen.
Karen (smiling, I believe): Yes, isn't it?
This took place at Chicago Comicon, since supplanted by Wizard World Chicago. ---- Icarus 23
BTW, thanks for the wording change -- it reads much better. -- I23!
I am sort of surprised that he Illuminati/Freemasonry theme is not explored further in the Ozymandias entry. At the very least it seems plausible that Ozymandias symbolizes the Illuminati/Freemasons. Here are some links coincidental or otherwise between the two.
I think there was a scene in of these issues where he (Vedit) was wearing traveler's clothes walking up a hill and an artist was painting a landscape. This reminds me of a scene from X-MEN vol 1 #117, page 6 panel 7.
23:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC) Enda80 ( talk)Enda80
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This article needs a picture of Ozymandias wearing his mask, in full costume. I added one but the image was removed because it is 'messy'. Snapshots from comic books often are, messy does not mean it needs to be removed. If you'd like to crop out the partial images of his teammates, go ahead. Or else, replace it with a cleaner-looking picture. Currently, Ozymandias is only shown in partial costume, it doesn't properly reflect the character. Tyciol ( talk) 21:12, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
This page seems to be in some sort of deletion war in which it is periodically converted to a redirect page and then periodically converted back.
As the talk page notes, there was a discussion on deletion of the article and the result was to keep this page. It has significantly more content than the Characters of Watchmen page. If you don't like the content of the page, edit it. But there does not appear to be any reason for deleting the article. Sligocki ( talk) 20:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
In the section on "Personality" Veidt is accurately described as a
liberal, which he is labeled as (by himself and others) throughout Watchmen. However, it then goes on to say that his "actions in destroying New York to save the world are extremely right-wing and
utilitarian."
Yes to the latter, no to the former. Aside from a lack of any sourcing, this statement reveals a fundamental ignorance of what it means to be
right-wing. Right-wingers are characterized by a strong aversion to change (or progress, depending on who you ask), intense nationalism, insular thinking and opposition to egalitarian social reordering.
Whatever you think of his methods, Ozymandias enacted his plan in order to change the world order, force international cooperation, broaden mankinds perspectives and shake up the world hierarchy. Does that sound right-wing?
Though they've been more common & visible in recent years, right-wingers do not have a monopoly on brutal actions.
Radical liberalism can lead to decisions as dangerous as any radical conservative's. I'm a liberal myself (and proud of it!), but it's irresponsible to think that the good aspects of Veidt can be listed as liberally motivated but the bad ones are right-wing. There's no evidence that his liberalism is a "facade" because he made the "right-wing" choice to kill millions. He's a radical liberal and that informs all his decisions, whether it's to be charitable, vegetarian or homicidal.
Long story short, I move to redact the comments on Ozymandias' violent decisions being right-wing and an inherent contradiction of his liberalism. He's a bad person, but that doesn't mean he's a bad liberal.
The Cap'n (
talk) 19:04, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Actually, from how the meeting went, it seems unlikely anybody joined Nelson's "Crimebusters". While Adrian stayed behind, I doubt the two of them went off fighting crime together. It was at this point that Adrian really understood that beating up purse-snatchers was not going to save the world. This is when he started The Plan! God I love this book!
So the bit about Crimebusters is wrong.
188.28.162.241 ( talk) 14:19, 15 November 2011 (UTC) Greenaum
That line in the comic is meant more as a description of Rorschach's shattered, angry mind than anything to do with Adrian's personal life. Mentioning this, and the rather accusatory way he's referred to as politically liberal in this article seems to be from the writing of an 11-year-old who didn't really understand the comic properly. I may take my scissors to this article, there are lots of chunks that really seem to need it.
188.28.162.241 ( talk) 14:52, 15 November 2011 (UTC) Greenaum
From the tone of the text I've replaced, it seemed that either the author was the ghost of Joe McCarthy, or a kid who doesn't understand politics. People are generally quite open about their political opinions. That makes Adrian a "liberal", not a "known" one! Dan and Laurie too seem like liberal people, so Adrian's not the "only" one of the group.
I added the bit about the Indian famine aid to back up the point on this.
I mentioned The Plan, to back up the original author's point about Adrian's high self-regard, and because really The Plan is the culmination of Adrian's personality and what's relevant about it.
I removed the bit about homosexual. He's not seen or mentioned to be romantically involved with anybody in the book. The only "source" for this opinion is Rorschach, who as a reliable witness is hardly "without stain", as you might say. And SAY, there's that stain on his overcoat! Just noticed that. Man I love that book!
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Who are Dreiberg and Laurie? For people who don't already know, they should be identified. Ileanadu ( talk) 17:50, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 10:24, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Ozymandias (character) → Ozymandias (Watchmen) – (or perhaps Ozymandias (DC Comics)). The current title is an incomplete disambiguation. There are many characters called Ozymandias: see Ozymandias (disambiguation). After the move, Ozymandias (character) should redirect to the disambiguation page. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 13:54, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Is there anyway you can move the "Events of Watchmen (HBO Series)" paragraph to "in other media"? His biography should just be his comic book history, ending at doomsday clock. You already have the events of the HBO series under "in other media," so there is no reason to include it twice.
-- 138.88.227.232 ( talk) 18:37, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. There were two main arguments at play in the discussion. The first is WP:COMMONNAME; this line of discussion led to disagreement over whether "Adrian Veidt" or "Ozymandias" is the subject's common name. As far as evidence for this claim, Google search results were provided, which showed around three times as many results for "Ozymandias" as for "Adrian Veidt" (663k vs. 203k when I checked the links); it was also alleged that the primary sources (the graphic novel and HBO series) predominantly use "Adrian Veidt". On the whole, neither side of the COMMONNAME argument appeared to make a strong case, and I would not have found a consensus from that alone. However, it was also pointed out that the title "Adrian Veidt" was preferable under WP:NATURAL, as it allowed for the removal of parenthetical disambiguation. This additional factor sways the balance of the arguments in favor of "Adrian Veidt". ( non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 20:33, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Ozymandias (Watchmen) → Adrian Veidt – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Primarily known as Veidt in comics and other media, and even in this article as currently written. U-Mos ( talk) 09:59, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Additionally, while I argue that the proposed title is the common name, it also provides WP:NATURAL disambiguation. U-Mos ( talk) 13:34, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
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The character catches a bullet with his hands and seems to be capable of several other feats that surpass the abilities of a normal human being. I wonder how he manages to do that. Shouldn't that be mentioned? 134.106.199.1 09:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it's that he actually moves faster than a bullet, but he's able to anticipate where the bullet will hit and is able to move faster than the trigger is pulled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.32.174.24 ( talk) 16:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
He still has to move faster than the bullet to catch it. Even if he knew when the trigger was pulled, no human being can move quickly enough to intercept a bullet. It's super speed and reaction time without a doubt. 69.9.210.13 ( talk) 22:10, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
188.28.162.241 ( talk) 14:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC) Greenaum
I disagree with several points in this section. I don't think that Veidt likes to kill, but rather that his "sloppiness" surrounding the staged assassination attempt merely reflects his unbridled egotism. From his point of view, each of the deaths were logically necessary to achieve his goals, and I'm sure he felt that no one would be clever enough to trace his ownership of the businesses.
I'm not entirely sure analysis sections like these should even appear in articles, since they tend to be fannish and encourage speculation and "new research". - DynSkeet (talk) 11:42, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
It's also interesting to note that Veidt fits perfectly with the image of the ideal Aryan German. Ironically, he calls the Comedian "practically a Nazi," to which Rorschach points out that Veidt was more of a sell-out concerning the Keene Act. When Veidt finally teleports the monster, he is treating New York as the Nazis treated any group they persecuted. New York, with all of its weak citizens as pointed out through the book, becomes the sacrificial lamb for Veidt's plan. Veidt is also a profiteer of his own acts, using the attack to sell his already-planned "Millenium" line, featuring more Aryan imagery. Veidt is Truman, but also Hitler, Stalin and Henry Ford rolled in one. Is he right? Few people think that Hitler, Stalin and Ford were. Palexandridis 17:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Something else struck me while reading the series: it's the set of ads for perfume/cosmetics from Adrian's companies, which are initially set in a somber mood and, right after the explosion, replaced by a new product line illustrated by positive themes (see 'this is the time, these are the feelings'). This illustrates the depth of his thinking, also one step ahead of others in trade as weel as in his general "world saviour" plan. I think something should be added about it.
Tell the americans who glorify Ozymandias and Truman for dropping the nuclear bomb in Hiroshima and killing half the population of New York to FUCK OFF! 168.243.218.2
I'm not going to comment on the above statement, but I do notice an error in the comparison to the dropping of the A-bomb. Truman wasn't elected at the time, and so Rorschach was merely holding two men up to very different standards. 69.117.143.23
Well, *I* am going to comment on the first statement: I'm not from Japan, but it's debatable whether Truman dropped the bomb in order to end the war, or to test new war tech, or to impress the Soviets. So the comparison in the article is suspect... It's not clear WHY Truman dropped the bomb at all. Some people outside the US consider him a war criminal. I know I do. 201.235.51.167 23:48, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm an american, most of my friends have read Watchmen, and none of us support past or future atomic warfare, but we are less decisive about Veidt for one major reason: Watchmen's central idea is that human concepts of moral absolutism are basically worthless. So anybody glorifying Veidt AND Truman must have missed the point, not only because they are glorifying a character from Watchmen, but also because they have obviously read Watchmen and are still supporting a moral absolute. - Nietzscheanlie
I'm not convinced Ozymandias should be in this category, the comic has a more nuanced view of morality in both intent and action, and I don't think he is meant to be seen as an "evil" character per se. Thoughts? JoshuaZ 03:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
So I was reading anotehr finely written wikiarticle about the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and their music video for "Otherside". The inspiration for the visual style of it came from a groundbreaking German Expressionist film from the 1920's, called "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari". I was in the middle of watching it over at archive.org ( http://www.archive.org/stream/DasKabinettdesDoktorCaligariTheCabinetofDrCaligari/The_Cabinet_of_Dr._Caligari_256kb.mp4) and noticed in the opening credits, that the somnambulist, a key character in the film, is played by a man named Conrad Veidt. I didn't notice any mention of this in the article, but I think that there may be something to this.
While this is an interesting parallel drawn between Illuminatus and Watchmen, this is most likely due Alan Moore's influence from Wilson and Shea as strikingly themes from Illuminatus tend to pop up in his work repeatedly (numerology and philosophy on government in V for Vendetta; direct citation of RAW's work in the notes to From Hell, etc.) Since there's no mention of trancendental immortality in Watchmen, it would seem more likely that the eye in the pyramid is an homage to Illuminatus, if you could even say that since Wilson and Shea did not create the idea of the secret society, only popularized it (although, yeah the mass murder thing is still there). In any case, where's the Karen Berger comment?
Unfortunately, the comment is as yet unpublished outside of here. I hadn't read the part about DOCUMENTING sources for Wikipedia before I put this in. The exact conversation, as I recall it (it was @ 1987, Animal Man was out, and Chas. Truog was sitting beside me):
Karen (looking at 1st ILL! comic): Alan Moore would really like to see this.
Me: Yes, I noticed from reading Watchmen that he ws an Illuminatus! fan. Interesting how if you know about transcendental illumination how it totally changes the ending of Watchmen.
Karen (smiling, I believe): Yes, isn't it?
This took place at Chicago Comicon, since supplanted by Wizard World Chicago. ---- Icarus 23
BTW, thanks for the wording change -- it reads much better. -- I23!
I am sort of surprised that he Illuminati/Freemasonry theme is not explored further in the Ozymandias entry. At the very least it seems plausible that Ozymandias symbolizes the Illuminati/Freemasons. Here are some links coincidental or otherwise between the two.
I think there was a scene in of these issues where he (Vedit) was wearing traveler's clothes walking up a hill and an artist was painting a landscape. This reminds me of a scene from X-MEN vol 1 #117, page 6 panel 7.
23:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC) Enda80 ( talk)Enda80
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This article needs a picture of Ozymandias wearing his mask, in full costume. I added one but the image was removed because it is 'messy'. Snapshots from comic books often are, messy does not mean it needs to be removed. If you'd like to crop out the partial images of his teammates, go ahead. Or else, replace it with a cleaner-looking picture. Currently, Ozymandias is only shown in partial costume, it doesn't properly reflect the character. Tyciol ( talk) 21:12, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
This page seems to be in some sort of deletion war in which it is periodically converted to a redirect page and then periodically converted back.
As the talk page notes, there was a discussion on deletion of the article and the result was to keep this page. It has significantly more content than the Characters of Watchmen page. If you don't like the content of the page, edit it. But there does not appear to be any reason for deleting the article. Sligocki ( talk) 20:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
In the section on "Personality" Veidt is accurately described as a
liberal, which he is labeled as (by himself and others) throughout Watchmen. However, it then goes on to say that his "actions in destroying New York to save the world are extremely right-wing and
utilitarian."
Yes to the latter, no to the former. Aside from a lack of any sourcing, this statement reveals a fundamental ignorance of what it means to be
right-wing. Right-wingers are characterized by a strong aversion to change (or progress, depending on who you ask), intense nationalism, insular thinking and opposition to egalitarian social reordering.
Whatever you think of his methods, Ozymandias enacted his plan in order to change the world order, force international cooperation, broaden mankinds perspectives and shake up the world hierarchy. Does that sound right-wing?
Though they've been more common & visible in recent years, right-wingers do not have a monopoly on brutal actions.
Radical liberalism can lead to decisions as dangerous as any radical conservative's. I'm a liberal myself (and proud of it!), but it's irresponsible to think that the good aspects of Veidt can be listed as liberally motivated but the bad ones are right-wing. There's no evidence that his liberalism is a "facade" because he made the "right-wing" choice to kill millions. He's a radical liberal and that informs all his decisions, whether it's to be charitable, vegetarian or homicidal.
Long story short, I move to redact the comments on Ozymandias' violent decisions being right-wing and an inherent contradiction of his liberalism. He's a bad person, but that doesn't mean he's a bad liberal.
The Cap'n (
talk) 19:04, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Actually, from how the meeting went, it seems unlikely anybody joined Nelson's "Crimebusters". While Adrian stayed behind, I doubt the two of them went off fighting crime together. It was at this point that Adrian really understood that beating up purse-snatchers was not going to save the world. This is when he started The Plan! God I love this book!
So the bit about Crimebusters is wrong.
188.28.162.241 ( talk) 14:19, 15 November 2011 (UTC) Greenaum
That line in the comic is meant more as a description of Rorschach's shattered, angry mind than anything to do with Adrian's personal life. Mentioning this, and the rather accusatory way he's referred to as politically liberal in this article seems to be from the writing of an 11-year-old who didn't really understand the comic properly. I may take my scissors to this article, there are lots of chunks that really seem to need it.
188.28.162.241 ( talk) 14:52, 15 November 2011 (UTC) Greenaum
From the tone of the text I've replaced, it seemed that either the author was the ghost of Joe McCarthy, or a kid who doesn't understand politics. People are generally quite open about their political opinions. That makes Adrian a "liberal", not a "known" one! Dan and Laurie too seem like liberal people, so Adrian's not the "only" one of the group.
I added the bit about the Indian famine aid to back up the point on this.
I mentioned The Plan, to back up the original author's point about Adrian's high self-regard, and because really The Plan is the culmination of Adrian's personality and what's relevant about it.
I removed the bit about homosexual. He's not seen or mentioned to be romantically involved with anybody in the book. The only "source" for this opinion is Rorschach, who as a reliable witness is hardly "without stain", as you might say. And SAY, there's that stain on his overcoat! Just noticed that. Man I love that book!
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The last full paragraph includes the following sentence:
Who are Dreiberg and Laurie? For people who don't already know, they should be identified. Ileanadu ( talk) 17:50, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 10:24, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Ozymandias (character) → Ozymandias (Watchmen) – (or perhaps Ozymandias (DC Comics)). The current title is an incomplete disambiguation. There are many characters called Ozymandias: see Ozymandias (disambiguation). After the move, Ozymandias (character) should redirect to the disambiguation page. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 13:54, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Is there anyway you can move the "Events of Watchmen (HBO Series)" paragraph to "in other media"? His biography should just be his comic book history, ending at doomsday clock. You already have the events of the HBO series under "in other media," so there is no reason to include it twice.
-- 138.88.227.232 ( talk) 18:37, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. There were two main arguments at play in the discussion. The first is WP:COMMONNAME; this line of discussion led to disagreement over whether "Adrian Veidt" or "Ozymandias" is the subject's common name. As far as evidence for this claim, Google search results were provided, which showed around three times as many results for "Ozymandias" as for "Adrian Veidt" (663k vs. 203k when I checked the links); it was also alleged that the primary sources (the graphic novel and HBO series) predominantly use "Adrian Veidt". On the whole, neither side of the COMMONNAME argument appeared to make a strong case, and I would not have found a consensus from that alone. However, it was also pointed out that the title "Adrian Veidt" was preferable under WP:NATURAL, as it allowed for the removal of parenthetical disambiguation. This additional factor sways the balance of the arguments in favor of "Adrian Veidt". ( non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 20:33, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Ozymandias (Watchmen) → Adrian Veidt – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Primarily known as Veidt in comics and other media, and even in this article as currently written. U-Mos ( talk) 09:59, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Additionally, while I argue that the proposed title is the common name, it also provides WP:NATURAL disambiguation. U-Mos ( talk) 13:34, 8 May 2023 (UTC)