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Does anybody know for sure when Boult died? Various online sources say Feb 22, Feb 23 or Mar 24. -- Camembert
The article says that Boult gave the British premiere of Mahler's fifth symphony. However, Symphony No. 5 (Mahler) says that Heinz Unger gave that premiere - my source for this info is Kenneth Thompson's A Dictionary of 20th Century Composers (published in the mid 1970s, if memory serves) - if somebody knows better and can say for sure that Bould really did give the premiere, then the article on the symphony needs to be changed as well as this article. -- Camembert
I found a transcript of a lecture by Richard Witts which talks about the Thomas Russell affair, at this link: http://www.witts.me.uk/pdf/Boult__Russell.pdf
I have not included this yet in the Boult wikipedia article, as an external link, partly because it has not been published in any formal journal that I can see, but also because some of Witts' comments about Boult are at best snarky, at worst possibly libelous. In fact, in a pdf from the Institute for Historical Research (London), Witts makes no bones about his thinking in the title of the talk there: http://www.history.ac.uk/annual/annrep01_02.pdf
"Richard Witts: 'Adrian Boult, witchfinder general: musical McCarthyism in post-war Britain'". To me, the irony is that in accusing Boult of Joseph McCarthy-like slander, Witts himself seems to be using the same "character assassination" tactics in some of his comments on Boult, even if it's more "personal" than "political". So, to include or not to include? Thanks, DJRafe 23:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I think I read somewhere that Horenstein had been scheduled to do the Everest Mahler 1 session (& perhaps others too) in 1958 but got sick, and Boult came in to cover for him, which accounts for the unusual Boult recorded repertory of Hindemith, Shostakovich, & Mahler. Can anyone confirm this? -- Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 01:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
As we are allowed only one under WP fair use rules I thought the colour photograph familiar from the cover of Sir Adrian's memoirs and the associated EMI recording was more suitable than the black and white photo with the NBC logo with which Sir Adrian is not normally associated. But happy to go along with the majority. This article is at PR. Comments invited. Reverted to the colour image, pro tem. - Tim riley ( talk) 18:55, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks to Parrot for suggestions just before FAC discussionwas closed. Comments here:
Looking forward to more of your acute and well-judged suggestions. Tim riley ( talk) 22:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Parrot of Doom 20:08, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Having just started the article
Ditchling Unitarian Chapel, I found that Boult was married there in 1933. The source—the History page of the chapel's own website—is of moderate usereliability; I'll look for a better one.
Hassocks
5489 (tickets please!)
22:44, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning a tiny bit more about his late ballet performances - I can find reference to Job, Enigma Variations and Song of the Earth at Covent Garden in the 1970s? Cg2p0B0u8m ( talk) 18:03, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Would anyone object if I separated footnotes from references? That is, discursive comment from plain source citations? Tim riley ( talk) 21:37, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
An editor recently added this (uncited) statement:
I added this hidden comment, which an editor has removed without explanation: "Is this really notable in the context of the large number of premieres Boult gave?"
Grateful for comments on whether to leave or remove the sentence. Tim riley ( talk) 07:53, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Concerto for Two Pianos and Orchestra (Bartók) (which redirects to Sonata for Two Pianos and Percussion) says it was premiered in New York by the composer and Ditta Pásztory-Bartók with the New York Philharmonic under Fritz Reiner. Here we're saying Adrian Boult was the conductor, and presumably somewhere in London. They can't both be right. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 12:09, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
The Times (14 Nov 1942) states that Boult conducted the world premiere at a Royal Philharmonic Society concert at the Albert Hall on 14 November 1942. Grove confirms that this was the world premiere. I'll put the Sonata for Two Pianos and Percussion article on my to-do list, and correct the wrong info currently there. Tim riley ( talk) 13:45, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Adrian Boult, not surprisingly given their professional association, gets quite a few mentions at Edward Clark (conductor). Clark was profoundly influential in promoting contemporary music including that of the Second Viennese School, and Boult was involved with Clark in at least one world premiere (Hindemith's Trauermusik) and some British premieres (Berg, Busoni). Clark was also intimately involved in the founding of the BBC SO - it wasn't just the conductors who did all the establishment work, although they usually get all the credit.
I seek guidance as to what mention should be made here of Edward Clark's role in Boult's career. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 12:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Later: I find I had already had given Clark and co their due in the BBC SO article, but had forgotten. I've now mentioned Clark and colleagues briefly in the BBC section of the Boult article. Tim riley ( talk) 13:26, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
This entry on Sir Adrian Boult should most certainly mention that, in 1984, the year after his death, a memorial stone in his honour was installed in the north choir aisle of Westminster Abbey. It reads "1889 Adrian Cedric Boult CH Conductor 1983." This great memorial to Boult serves as his grave. For Sir Adrian actually willed his body to science. A photograph of Boult's memorial stone can be seen in Westminster Abbey's website (www.westminster-abbey.org/our-history/people/sir-adrian-boult).
There is a claim in Charles Rafter that says that Boult conducted the Birmingham City Police band; this is not too fanciful, as his predecessor Appleby Matthews certainly did, and the source adds that "members of the police band were controversially used to supplement the Orchestra's ranks in its early days". Can anyone help with a citation for Boult doing so, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:28, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
...but still not conclusive. The British Library obliged with Crescendo! – 75 years of the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra by Beresford King-Smith (London, Methuen, 1995, ISBN 0413697401) and an anonymous booklet from 1947 published by the orchestra, City of Birmingham Orchestra, OCLC 558171870. The latter is short and sketchy, but the former covers the matter of the Police Band:
But the long and short of it is that I have found no firm evidence that Boult ever conducted the Band or had members of it as extras in his CBO. Tim riley ( talk) 13:28, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Surely "Peter Hepworth" should be "Peter Heyworth", as in this Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Heyworth 85.210.157.28 ( talk) 19:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Why is it unimportant to mention that Adrian Boult was the president of the Modern Symphony Orchestra for two decades and conducted it several times? The Modern SO is a notable English orchestra which performed several world and English premieres. So why is that irrelevant for the article? Best, Tobias @ Tim riley:
Can I propose that in 'Bibliography' the word (autobiography) be inserted after My Own Trumpet. London: Hamish Hamilton, otherwise some people may think it is a brass manual? Cg2p0B0u8m ( talk) 19:54, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
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Does anybody know for sure when Boult died? Various online sources say Feb 22, Feb 23 or Mar 24. -- Camembert
The article says that Boult gave the British premiere of Mahler's fifth symphony. However, Symphony No. 5 (Mahler) says that Heinz Unger gave that premiere - my source for this info is Kenneth Thompson's A Dictionary of 20th Century Composers (published in the mid 1970s, if memory serves) - if somebody knows better and can say for sure that Bould really did give the premiere, then the article on the symphony needs to be changed as well as this article. -- Camembert
I found a transcript of a lecture by Richard Witts which talks about the Thomas Russell affair, at this link: http://www.witts.me.uk/pdf/Boult__Russell.pdf
I have not included this yet in the Boult wikipedia article, as an external link, partly because it has not been published in any formal journal that I can see, but also because some of Witts' comments about Boult are at best snarky, at worst possibly libelous. In fact, in a pdf from the Institute for Historical Research (London), Witts makes no bones about his thinking in the title of the talk there: http://www.history.ac.uk/annual/annrep01_02.pdf
"Richard Witts: 'Adrian Boult, witchfinder general: musical McCarthyism in post-war Britain'". To me, the irony is that in accusing Boult of Joseph McCarthy-like slander, Witts himself seems to be using the same "character assassination" tactics in some of his comments on Boult, even if it's more "personal" than "political". So, to include or not to include? Thanks, DJRafe 23:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I think I read somewhere that Horenstein had been scheduled to do the Everest Mahler 1 session (& perhaps others too) in 1958 but got sick, and Boult came in to cover for him, which accounts for the unusual Boult recorded repertory of Hindemith, Shostakovich, & Mahler. Can anyone confirm this? -- Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 01:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
As we are allowed only one under WP fair use rules I thought the colour photograph familiar from the cover of Sir Adrian's memoirs and the associated EMI recording was more suitable than the black and white photo with the NBC logo with which Sir Adrian is not normally associated. But happy to go along with the majority. This article is at PR. Comments invited. Reverted to the colour image, pro tem. - Tim riley ( talk) 18:55, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks to Parrot for suggestions just before FAC discussionwas closed. Comments here:
Looking forward to more of your acute and well-judged suggestions. Tim riley ( talk) 22:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Parrot of Doom 20:08, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Having just started the article
Ditchling Unitarian Chapel, I found that Boult was married there in 1933. The source—the History page of the chapel's own website—is of moderate usereliability; I'll look for a better one.
Hassocks
5489 (tickets please!)
22:44, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning a tiny bit more about his late ballet performances - I can find reference to Job, Enigma Variations and Song of the Earth at Covent Garden in the 1970s? Cg2p0B0u8m ( talk) 18:03, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Would anyone object if I separated footnotes from references? That is, discursive comment from plain source citations? Tim riley ( talk) 21:37, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
An editor recently added this (uncited) statement:
I added this hidden comment, which an editor has removed without explanation: "Is this really notable in the context of the large number of premieres Boult gave?"
Grateful for comments on whether to leave or remove the sentence. Tim riley ( talk) 07:53, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Concerto for Two Pianos and Orchestra (Bartók) (which redirects to Sonata for Two Pianos and Percussion) says it was premiered in New York by the composer and Ditta Pásztory-Bartók with the New York Philharmonic under Fritz Reiner. Here we're saying Adrian Boult was the conductor, and presumably somewhere in London. They can't both be right. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 12:09, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
The Times (14 Nov 1942) states that Boult conducted the world premiere at a Royal Philharmonic Society concert at the Albert Hall on 14 November 1942. Grove confirms that this was the world premiere. I'll put the Sonata for Two Pianos and Percussion article on my to-do list, and correct the wrong info currently there. Tim riley ( talk) 13:45, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Adrian Boult, not surprisingly given their professional association, gets quite a few mentions at Edward Clark (conductor). Clark was profoundly influential in promoting contemporary music including that of the Second Viennese School, and Boult was involved with Clark in at least one world premiere (Hindemith's Trauermusik) and some British premieres (Berg, Busoni). Clark was also intimately involved in the founding of the BBC SO - it wasn't just the conductors who did all the establishment work, although they usually get all the credit.
I seek guidance as to what mention should be made here of Edward Clark's role in Boult's career. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 12:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Later: I find I had already had given Clark and co their due in the BBC SO article, but had forgotten. I've now mentioned Clark and colleagues briefly in the BBC section of the Boult article. Tim riley ( talk) 13:26, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
This entry on Sir Adrian Boult should most certainly mention that, in 1984, the year after his death, a memorial stone in his honour was installed in the north choir aisle of Westminster Abbey. It reads "1889 Adrian Cedric Boult CH Conductor 1983." This great memorial to Boult serves as his grave. For Sir Adrian actually willed his body to science. A photograph of Boult's memorial stone can be seen in Westminster Abbey's website (www.westminster-abbey.org/our-history/people/sir-adrian-boult).
There is a claim in Charles Rafter that says that Boult conducted the Birmingham City Police band; this is not too fanciful, as his predecessor Appleby Matthews certainly did, and the source adds that "members of the police band were controversially used to supplement the Orchestra's ranks in its early days". Can anyone help with a citation for Boult doing so, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:28, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
...but still not conclusive. The British Library obliged with Crescendo! – 75 years of the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra by Beresford King-Smith (London, Methuen, 1995, ISBN 0413697401) and an anonymous booklet from 1947 published by the orchestra, City of Birmingham Orchestra, OCLC 558171870. The latter is short and sketchy, but the former covers the matter of the Police Band:
But the long and short of it is that I have found no firm evidence that Boult ever conducted the Band or had members of it as extras in his CBO. Tim riley ( talk) 13:28, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Surely "Peter Hepworth" should be "Peter Heyworth", as in this Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Heyworth 85.210.157.28 ( talk) 19:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Why is it unimportant to mention that Adrian Boult was the president of the Modern Symphony Orchestra for two decades and conducted it several times? The Modern SO is a notable English orchestra which performed several world and English premieres. So why is that irrelevant for the article? Best, Tobias @ Tim riley:
Can I propose that in 'Bibliography' the word (autobiography) be inserted after My Own Trumpet. London: Hamish Hamilton, otherwise some people may think it is a brass manual? Cg2p0B0u8m ( talk) 19:54, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
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