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Henrygb, can you please justify this recent change in the definition of AMS? It might be nice if AMS and MMP meant different things, but AFAIK that's simply not true, I have always been under the impression that when someone in Scotland says 'AMS' they are referring to the original definition ie: equivalent to MMP.
Even if the definition of AMS is to be changed, it would be better if the old page was moved to MMP rather than being edited in place, ie: change the title, not the content. As it stands most of its content is still specific to MMP, and the MMP branch has lost its history and much of its content.
Re Japan and Macedonia. Other wikipedia pages (eg: Table of voting systems by nation) state that Japan uses a parallel voting system, and a quick google suggests the same for Macedonia. Pm67nz 01:30, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
In Phil Hunt's Voting Systems FAQ, what is called Mixed Member System is called Parallel voting here. -- Dissident ( Talk) 21:39, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
I've deleted this text: and in New Zealand the other parties get compensatory seats to obtain the proportionality.
It's simply a big lie... uh... mistake. I've read the Electoral Act before (it's online if you want to check it) and the Electoral Commission website confirms my understanding [1]. In New Zealand, you just keep your overhang seats, no compensation for the other parties. I'd love to know where that idea came from though.
There is another quirk in the New Zealand system, the number of seats that are allocated proportionally can be less than 120, if some of the constituency seats have been won by people who were independent or effectively independent (their party didn't stand a list). Say there were 5 independents, then 115 seats would be allocated to parties proportionally. This means that independents do not cause an overhang. You only get overhang if a real party wins more constituency seats that it would have been otherwise entitled to.
This is all academic (so far) because we have never had an independent elected, and never had an overhang, although it's conceivable that the Maori Party may overhang at the election next year.
Another piece of speculation just occurred to me. There's a grubby piece of legislation called the Electoral Integrity Act, whereby a rebellious MP can be kicked out of parliament if they "interfere with the proportionality of Parliament" (or wording to that effect). The idea is if you leave your party you have to continue to vote along with your party or they can have you expelled. Constitutionally dubious, but the drafters of the bill must have known that, because they build a sunset clause into it. Anyway... if a party was in overhang, presumably their rebels would be free to leave, because their party had too many MPs anyway.
Sorry this is way off-topic, I got carried away.
Ben Arnold 14:43, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I cut out most of "It needs be considered that this problem has never occurred in most countries using AMS, where the candidates must generally be part of a readily identifiable party. In theory, it would be possible by setting up two separate parties, one to run a list and one to run in electorates, but as these parties would have to be incorporated separately, there is strong potential that divisions between the two parties could prevent any fruitful cooperation. Alternatively, the electorates could be run by indepedent candidates, 'appointed' by the party with the list, however yet again the party will have no control over the indepedent electoral candidates. Both concepts also risk alienating voters." and replaced it with "Decoy lists are not used in most countries using AMS, where most voters vote for candidates from parties with long-standing names." The rest is in my view a POV apologetic analysis. If there is evidence of an attempt to do this elsewhere which went wrong then it should be included. Other speculation as what might happen if ... is unencyclopedic. One maight as well say that only Italian voters are clever enough to respond to decoy lists. What is interesting is that the Italian version of AMS required the list candidates to be defeated constituency candidates with the same party label - i.e. a protection against decoy lists, but it did not work. -- Henrygb 00:06, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
And now I have cut out "Most other countries using AMS have stricter laws regarding party membership and/or the formation of political groups. In Germany, for example, neither membership in different parties at the same time nor open lists (i.e. voting lists open to members of different parties or groups that intend to form a political alliance) are legal. These measures also serve to keep small parties from circumventing the 5% threshold. Thus decoy lists are virtually impossible.". Presumably this is really trying to say that you cannot be a constituency candidate for one party and a list candidate for another party; but that is also true in Italy. I would like to see evidence of any AMS country where the state prohibits simple membership of more than one party if the parties allow it. The articles on Left Party (Germany) and Labour and Social Justice Party suggest that alliances are possible. Events in the New Zealand general election, 2005 where the Maori Party campaigned primarily for constituency votes show how easy decoy lists are to operate. The only way to stop them is to unify the constituency and the party vote into a single vote (in effect also requiring each party to stand in each constituency). -- Henrygb 21:51, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I just fixed the capitalization in section headings of phrases that were not capitalized when use in the sections themselves, thereby conforming to Wikipedia:Manual of Style. My inclination is to move this page to additional-member system, with lower-case initial letters. On Wikipedia, on does not normally use capitals merely because a word is in an article title. Comments? Michael Hardy 30 June 2005 21:29 (UTC)
There should also be consideration to moving it to Additional Member Systems (systems instead of system). This article is really describing two rather different electoral systems. One is proportional representation, the other is semi-proportional. The difference is quite substantial in how it affects the outcome of elections even though the difference in how they operate is quite small. -- LeftyG 09:28, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
If AMS is restricted to cases where "the aim is for the party's total number of representatives, including constituency representatives, to be proportional to its percentage of the party vote" then the UK needs to be removed from the list of places using AMS. The article states:
That is not AMS in the UK, which reverses the counts and is more like:
The second of these is actually closer the the word "additional", and means that overhang seats are no longer a meaningful issue - a party which wins "too many" constituencies simply wins no proportional seats, and so cannot be taking away seats from anyone else. Part of the philosophical difference is shown in the reversal of UK and NZ ballot papers. -- Henrygb 16:42, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Can someone rewrite the subject lists segment to make more sense to us idiots out here reading it. Thankz
It is discussed (inconclusively) above but I have to bring this subject up again. I've been reading about electoral systems for many years and have never heard AMS defined as anything other than another name for 'mixed member proportional'. In fact IMHO, with the exception of New Zealand, AMS is the more commonly used name than MMP. Reading the comments above the current definition used in this article seems to be based solely on a mistake made by some Wikipedians on the table of votings systems articles and an overly literal reading of the name AMS. As Pm67nz says, many electoral systems are poorly named. I think this article should redirect to Mixed member proportional representation and any unique material be merged with that article and parallel voting. Iota 19:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I've read those comments and have been trying to respond to them. Correct me if I'm missing something, but the current definition seems to have been justified on only two grounds:
The acid test, surely, is not what some Wikipedians have done, or the personal interpretation that Wikipedians give the literal meaning of a term, but what the literature says. So has anyone ever read anything that uses the same definition that this article does? I'm not asking for specific citations at this point, I'd just like to know, in a general way, if other peoples' actual experiences of the use of this term contradict my own. Iota 14:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
The proposed merger (which has had the tag for quite a while) should not occur. The term "Additional Member System" can be used (and is) to refer to both MMP and SM. They are both related electoral systems, and are related as they both have some form of additional members. This page servers as a useful disamb and explains the differences between the two. If there is no comment within the next few days, I will remove the tag. -- Midnight tonight 10:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello Midnight,
I agree. There should be a page for Mixed Electoral Systems, and a merger for AMS and MMP, as AMS is simply the UK term for MMP. [1] Ontario Teacher BFA BEd ( talk) 01:36, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
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begin by changing the first sentence of "Criticisms" to its opposite. It would help to clarify further if the passage would say a larger/smaller number of seats than what. — Tamfang ( talk) 02:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I think things would be clearer if this page was renamed something along the lines of Mixed member systems. Then Additional Member System could either redirect here or go to a disambiguation page that notes AMS could either mean any Mixed member system or, in the UK, specifically MMP. Thoughts? Mattlore ( talk) 21:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello Mattlore, There is a lot of disputed content here with little or no sources. The only nation that has used the term AMS is the UK, and this term specifically refers to MMP. [1] Ontario Teacher BFA BEd ( talk) 01:33, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
See Talk:Mixed-member proportional representation#AMS vs MMP. Nil Einne ( talk) 00:56, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
So I came here to learn about AMS as it's being proposed as an alternative to STV in a debate I'm involved in and I hadn't heard of it. This page doesn't have a section on "How AMS works" as in how do you vote and what does each vote mean. It probably should describe its topic. SPACKlick ( talk) 15:25, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Since AMS is very similar to Mixed-member proportional representation, arguably just a variant of it, should we merge the two pages? It is doubtful whether "AMS", the term, should really apply to any country outside the UK? There have been previous discussions on whether to merge it. Personally, I think it's better to keep them separate, because AMS is a bit different from MMP and it makes both articles cleaner. @ Ontario Teacher BFA BEd: thoughts? — ajf ( talk) 19:35, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello User talk:Ajfweb, "AMS is a hybrid voting system, part First Past The Post and part closed party list, the party list element added on to make the result more proportional. Outside the UK it is more commonly referred to as Mixed Member Proportional (MMP). [2] I agree with the numerous previous proposals on both talk pages to merge this page with the Mixed Member Proportional page as it is simply a synonym used regionally. Ontario Teacher BFA BEd ( talk) 20:46, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello User:Ajfweb
I have reverted the addition of these three paragraphs because A: There are zero sources supporting it, and B: I have provided several sources proving the information to be inaccurate. Specifically, these 3 paragraphs claim that AMS and MMP are different voting systems. In truth, AMS is a regional term used in the UK for MMP. [2] [3] [4] [2] AMS and MMP are not different voting systems.
Until there are A: reliable sources for these 3 (currently unsourced) paragraphs, and B: a consensus reached, these 3 paragraphs must be omitted while the discussion is taking place. Ontario Teacher BFA BEd ( talk) 21:17, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
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Hi all! As far as I know, there are lots of variations of mixed elevtion method, and I'm afraid of that there isn't any good literature about them. Basically politicinas tend to overestimate their own wisdom and realise wildly different election procedures from country to country, or from time to time in the same country. I bet literature cann't keep up with the changes.
Concerning the two articles: I do not really understand them, I only understand my motherland's example, as I naturally studied it a lot. For example a very simple mixed election system would be one with half of the MP positions elected by the fpsp method, the other half of them by the proportional method (with or without a threshold); however either the Hungarian example I know or the British examples seem to be more complicated than this simple example, and what's more, possibly in two entirely different ways! So the real problem is bigger than to merge or not to merge, and is outside wikipedia. :/ As for the proposal I suggest not merging, only because that could give some chance of a little bit more intelligible versions. (Or we should delete each of them, and write a single and much shorter one, given the inadequate nature of literatures?)
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Is this the most poorly written sentence ever to appear in the Wikipedia? --
I'll see if I can make sense of it later, but right now I need a lie-down! -- Picapica ( talk) 22:34, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
The article states that "The system was implemented for the Scottish Parliament in order to make it difficult for one party to win an outright majority", however the reference given does not say that - it merely says that majorities are unlikely, not that that is a desirable feature or that it was chosen because of it. This sentence appears to either be simply wrong, or is a lie written by someone who doesn't like AMS. https://web.archive.org/web/20141129054933/http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/visitandlearn/Education/16285.aspx
Worth rewording, or does someone have a reference to support the statement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.190.7.47 ( talk) 05:10, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
The article would benefit from a clear explanation of the differences between it and MMP and seat-allocation example. At present there is nothing in the article that would support the claim that AMS is so different from MMP that it warrants a separate article. The fact that the system is called AMS in the UK and MMP elsewhere by itself is not a significant difference. 90.253.29.22 ( talk) 12:51, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
The phrase "the candidate with the most votes (not necessarily a majority of the electorate) wins" is confusing for two reasons. (1) In English usage, a candidate with the most votes by definition has a majority; in American usage, it would be a plurality, while a vote of more than 50% of those voting would be required to say that they had a majority - in English this would be referred to as an absolute majority. (2) It is a majority of those voting, not of the electorate, which counts. Where voting is not compulsory, turn-out is often quite low, and often the candidates or parties which win a majority of votes cast, do not have the support of the majority of the electorate. Andy Denis 13:00, 29 March 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy Denis ( talk • contribs)
Please excuse me if this is misplaced.
There are some important differences between New Zealand MMP and UK AMS. NZ uses closed party lists, not sure about AMS. Closed lists make voting paper simpler. AMS uses a modified dHondt system that avoids overhangs, by taking seats instead from smaller parties. This particularly suits dominant parties like SNP. AMS is often used for small numbers of seats, so there is an effective threshold. MMP in NZ uses StLague system and allows overhangs, but seldom has them. NZ has two thresholds. Parties must either win 5% of votes or gain an electorate seat, in order to be allocated seats. The threshold is equivalent to 6 seats. The 4.99%/5.00% difference can be important. The threshold puts small parties in a difficult position, because they often divert and waste votes that might otherwise go to natural allies. I am proposing that voters have a second choice of party vote, to eliminate those issues. Hope it is ok to link to my website here onthethreshold.nz
Noticeable from 2021 Scotland election coverage: The dominance of SNP makes overhangs more likely. Media coverage often does not give list vote counts, despite their central importance. Coverage is very FPTP centric. By comparison NZ party vote percentages are published on the evening of the election, evolve during the counting, and are central to analysing the results FreKea ( talk) 14:32, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
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Henrygb, can you please justify this recent change in the definition of AMS? It might be nice if AMS and MMP meant different things, but AFAIK that's simply not true, I have always been under the impression that when someone in Scotland says 'AMS' they are referring to the original definition ie: equivalent to MMP.
Even if the definition of AMS is to be changed, it would be better if the old page was moved to MMP rather than being edited in place, ie: change the title, not the content. As it stands most of its content is still specific to MMP, and the MMP branch has lost its history and much of its content.
Re Japan and Macedonia. Other wikipedia pages (eg: Table of voting systems by nation) state that Japan uses a parallel voting system, and a quick google suggests the same for Macedonia. Pm67nz 01:30, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
In Phil Hunt's Voting Systems FAQ, what is called Mixed Member System is called Parallel voting here. -- Dissident ( Talk) 21:39, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
I've deleted this text: and in New Zealand the other parties get compensatory seats to obtain the proportionality.
It's simply a big lie... uh... mistake. I've read the Electoral Act before (it's online if you want to check it) and the Electoral Commission website confirms my understanding [1]. In New Zealand, you just keep your overhang seats, no compensation for the other parties. I'd love to know where that idea came from though.
There is another quirk in the New Zealand system, the number of seats that are allocated proportionally can be less than 120, if some of the constituency seats have been won by people who were independent or effectively independent (their party didn't stand a list). Say there were 5 independents, then 115 seats would be allocated to parties proportionally. This means that independents do not cause an overhang. You only get overhang if a real party wins more constituency seats that it would have been otherwise entitled to.
This is all academic (so far) because we have never had an independent elected, and never had an overhang, although it's conceivable that the Maori Party may overhang at the election next year.
Another piece of speculation just occurred to me. There's a grubby piece of legislation called the Electoral Integrity Act, whereby a rebellious MP can be kicked out of parliament if they "interfere with the proportionality of Parliament" (or wording to that effect). The idea is if you leave your party you have to continue to vote along with your party or they can have you expelled. Constitutionally dubious, but the drafters of the bill must have known that, because they build a sunset clause into it. Anyway... if a party was in overhang, presumably their rebels would be free to leave, because their party had too many MPs anyway.
Sorry this is way off-topic, I got carried away.
Ben Arnold 14:43, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I cut out most of "It needs be considered that this problem has never occurred in most countries using AMS, where the candidates must generally be part of a readily identifiable party. In theory, it would be possible by setting up two separate parties, one to run a list and one to run in electorates, but as these parties would have to be incorporated separately, there is strong potential that divisions between the two parties could prevent any fruitful cooperation. Alternatively, the electorates could be run by indepedent candidates, 'appointed' by the party with the list, however yet again the party will have no control over the indepedent electoral candidates. Both concepts also risk alienating voters." and replaced it with "Decoy lists are not used in most countries using AMS, where most voters vote for candidates from parties with long-standing names." The rest is in my view a POV apologetic analysis. If there is evidence of an attempt to do this elsewhere which went wrong then it should be included. Other speculation as what might happen if ... is unencyclopedic. One maight as well say that only Italian voters are clever enough to respond to decoy lists. What is interesting is that the Italian version of AMS required the list candidates to be defeated constituency candidates with the same party label - i.e. a protection against decoy lists, but it did not work. -- Henrygb 00:06, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
And now I have cut out "Most other countries using AMS have stricter laws regarding party membership and/or the formation of political groups. In Germany, for example, neither membership in different parties at the same time nor open lists (i.e. voting lists open to members of different parties or groups that intend to form a political alliance) are legal. These measures also serve to keep small parties from circumventing the 5% threshold. Thus decoy lists are virtually impossible.". Presumably this is really trying to say that you cannot be a constituency candidate for one party and a list candidate for another party; but that is also true in Italy. I would like to see evidence of any AMS country where the state prohibits simple membership of more than one party if the parties allow it. The articles on Left Party (Germany) and Labour and Social Justice Party suggest that alliances are possible. Events in the New Zealand general election, 2005 where the Maori Party campaigned primarily for constituency votes show how easy decoy lists are to operate. The only way to stop them is to unify the constituency and the party vote into a single vote (in effect also requiring each party to stand in each constituency). -- Henrygb 21:51, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I just fixed the capitalization in section headings of phrases that were not capitalized when use in the sections themselves, thereby conforming to Wikipedia:Manual of Style. My inclination is to move this page to additional-member system, with lower-case initial letters. On Wikipedia, on does not normally use capitals merely because a word is in an article title. Comments? Michael Hardy 30 June 2005 21:29 (UTC)
There should also be consideration to moving it to Additional Member Systems (systems instead of system). This article is really describing two rather different electoral systems. One is proportional representation, the other is semi-proportional. The difference is quite substantial in how it affects the outcome of elections even though the difference in how they operate is quite small. -- LeftyG 09:28, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
If AMS is restricted to cases where "the aim is for the party's total number of representatives, including constituency representatives, to be proportional to its percentage of the party vote" then the UK needs to be removed from the list of places using AMS. The article states:
That is not AMS in the UK, which reverses the counts and is more like:
The second of these is actually closer the the word "additional", and means that overhang seats are no longer a meaningful issue - a party which wins "too many" constituencies simply wins no proportional seats, and so cannot be taking away seats from anyone else. Part of the philosophical difference is shown in the reversal of UK and NZ ballot papers. -- Henrygb 16:42, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Can someone rewrite the subject lists segment to make more sense to us idiots out here reading it. Thankz
It is discussed (inconclusively) above but I have to bring this subject up again. I've been reading about electoral systems for many years and have never heard AMS defined as anything other than another name for 'mixed member proportional'. In fact IMHO, with the exception of New Zealand, AMS is the more commonly used name than MMP. Reading the comments above the current definition used in this article seems to be based solely on a mistake made by some Wikipedians on the table of votings systems articles and an overly literal reading of the name AMS. As Pm67nz says, many electoral systems are poorly named. I think this article should redirect to Mixed member proportional representation and any unique material be merged with that article and parallel voting. Iota 19:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I've read those comments and have been trying to respond to them. Correct me if I'm missing something, but the current definition seems to have been justified on only two grounds:
The acid test, surely, is not what some Wikipedians have done, or the personal interpretation that Wikipedians give the literal meaning of a term, but what the literature says. So has anyone ever read anything that uses the same definition that this article does? I'm not asking for specific citations at this point, I'd just like to know, in a general way, if other peoples' actual experiences of the use of this term contradict my own. Iota 14:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
The proposed merger (which has had the tag for quite a while) should not occur. The term "Additional Member System" can be used (and is) to refer to both MMP and SM. They are both related electoral systems, and are related as they both have some form of additional members. This page servers as a useful disamb and explains the differences between the two. If there is no comment within the next few days, I will remove the tag. -- Midnight tonight 10:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello Midnight,
I agree. There should be a page for Mixed Electoral Systems, and a merger for AMS and MMP, as AMS is simply the UK term for MMP. [1] Ontario Teacher BFA BEd ( talk) 01:36, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
References
begin by changing the first sentence of "Criticisms" to its opposite. It would help to clarify further if the passage would say a larger/smaller number of seats than what. — Tamfang ( talk) 02:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I think things would be clearer if this page was renamed something along the lines of Mixed member systems. Then Additional Member System could either redirect here or go to a disambiguation page that notes AMS could either mean any Mixed member system or, in the UK, specifically MMP. Thoughts? Mattlore ( talk) 21:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello Mattlore, There is a lot of disputed content here with little or no sources. The only nation that has used the term AMS is the UK, and this term specifically refers to MMP. [1] Ontario Teacher BFA BEd ( talk) 01:33, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
See Talk:Mixed-member proportional representation#AMS vs MMP. Nil Einne ( talk) 00:56, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
So I came here to learn about AMS as it's being proposed as an alternative to STV in a debate I'm involved in and I hadn't heard of it. This page doesn't have a section on "How AMS works" as in how do you vote and what does each vote mean. It probably should describe its topic. SPACKlick ( talk) 15:25, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Since AMS is very similar to Mixed-member proportional representation, arguably just a variant of it, should we merge the two pages? It is doubtful whether "AMS", the term, should really apply to any country outside the UK? There have been previous discussions on whether to merge it. Personally, I think it's better to keep them separate, because AMS is a bit different from MMP and it makes both articles cleaner. @ Ontario Teacher BFA BEd: thoughts? — ajf ( talk) 19:35, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello User talk:Ajfweb, "AMS is a hybrid voting system, part First Past The Post and part closed party list, the party list element added on to make the result more proportional. Outside the UK it is more commonly referred to as Mixed Member Proportional (MMP). [2] I agree with the numerous previous proposals on both talk pages to merge this page with the Mixed Member Proportional page as it is simply a synonym used regionally. Ontario Teacher BFA BEd ( talk) 20:46, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello User:Ajfweb
I have reverted the addition of these three paragraphs because A: There are zero sources supporting it, and B: I have provided several sources proving the information to be inaccurate. Specifically, these 3 paragraphs claim that AMS and MMP are different voting systems. In truth, AMS is a regional term used in the UK for MMP. [2] [3] [4] [2] AMS and MMP are not different voting systems.
Until there are A: reliable sources for these 3 (currently unsourced) paragraphs, and B: a consensus reached, these 3 paragraphs must be omitted while the discussion is taking place. Ontario Teacher BFA BEd ( talk) 21:17, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
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Hi all! As far as I know, there are lots of variations of mixed elevtion method, and I'm afraid of that there isn't any good literature about them. Basically politicinas tend to overestimate their own wisdom and realise wildly different election procedures from country to country, or from time to time in the same country. I bet literature cann't keep up with the changes.
Concerning the two articles: I do not really understand them, I only understand my motherland's example, as I naturally studied it a lot. For example a very simple mixed election system would be one with half of the MP positions elected by the fpsp method, the other half of them by the proportional method (with or without a threshold); however either the Hungarian example I know or the British examples seem to be more complicated than this simple example, and what's more, possibly in two entirely different ways! So the real problem is bigger than to merge or not to merge, and is outside wikipedia. :/ As for the proposal I suggest not merging, only because that could give some chance of a little bit more intelligible versions. (Or we should delete each of them, and write a single and much shorter one, given the inadequate nature of literatures?)
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Is this the most poorly written sentence ever to appear in the Wikipedia? --
I'll see if I can make sense of it later, but right now I need a lie-down! -- Picapica ( talk) 22:34, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
The article states that "The system was implemented for the Scottish Parliament in order to make it difficult for one party to win an outright majority", however the reference given does not say that - it merely says that majorities are unlikely, not that that is a desirable feature or that it was chosen because of it. This sentence appears to either be simply wrong, or is a lie written by someone who doesn't like AMS. https://web.archive.org/web/20141129054933/http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/visitandlearn/Education/16285.aspx
Worth rewording, or does someone have a reference to support the statement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.190.7.47 ( talk) 05:10, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
The article would benefit from a clear explanation of the differences between it and MMP and seat-allocation example. At present there is nothing in the article that would support the claim that AMS is so different from MMP that it warrants a separate article. The fact that the system is called AMS in the UK and MMP elsewhere by itself is not a significant difference. 90.253.29.22 ( talk) 12:51, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
The phrase "the candidate with the most votes (not necessarily a majority of the electorate) wins" is confusing for two reasons. (1) In English usage, a candidate with the most votes by definition has a majority; in American usage, it would be a plurality, while a vote of more than 50% of those voting would be required to say that they had a majority - in English this would be referred to as an absolute majority. (2) It is a majority of those voting, not of the electorate, which counts. Where voting is not compulsory, turn-out is often quite low, and often the candidates or parties which win a majority of votes cast, do not have the support of the majority of the electorate. Andy Denis 13:00, 29 March 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy Denis ( talk • contribs)
Please excuse me if this is misplaced.
There are some important differences between New Zealand MMP and UK AMS. NZ uses closed party lists, not sure about AMS. Closed lists make voting paper simpler. AMS uses a modified dHondt system that avoids overhangs, by taking seats instead from smaller parties. This particularly suits dominant parties like SNP. AMS is often used for small numbers of seats, so there is an effective threshold. MMP in NZ uses StLague system and allows overhangs, but seldom has them. NZ has two thresholds. Parties must either win 5% of votes or gain an electorate seat, in order to be allocated seats. The threshold is equivalent to 6 seats. The 4.99%/5.00% difference can be important. The threshold puts small parties in a difficult position, because they often divert and waste votes that might otherwise go to natural allies. I am proposing that voters have a second choice of party vote, to eliminate those issues. Hope it is ok to link to my website here onthethreshold.nz
Noticeable from 2021 Scotland election coverage: The dominance of SNP makes overhangs more likely. Media coverage often does not give list vote counts, despite their central importance. Coverage is very FPTP centric. By comparison NZ party vote percentages are published on the evening of the election, evolve during the counting, and are central to analysing the results FreKea ( talk) 14:32, 9 May 2021 (UTC)