I think there needs to be a page to cover the first Ace Combat (Air Combat) as there isn't anything about that game. Nonetheless, it deserves its own page apart from the series. -- deadkid_dk 08:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I think you're right. I wish someone with extensive knowledge of the first game could make an entry for Air Combat. -- angst72 22:05, 15 March 2006
I agree, we've added alot of information to the Wikipedia, i thin k we should have Disambiguation page with all AC articles, including the countries and the ADF-01. -- Stuka22:01, 25 March
I agree with deadkid, somebody should cover Air Combat, if they can find a way to.
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Is this section strictly nesseasary? It just sounds like these sins and saints people promoting themselves-- Josquius 16:07, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
'Hardcore fans of the series consider this one of the best games in the series though' 'Hardcore fans on the series consider the US version of the game to be the worst game in the series.'
I'm new to wikipedia but this seems a pretty opionated article to me. I'm not sure who all the hardcore gamers are but without any sources this does seem pretty opionated to me. (But then, I am a total n00b) 82.19.26.192 09:04, 17 September 2006 (UTC) Maria 17th September
I'm also unfamilar with official wikipedia guidelines, but it seems to me that the current section labeled "Music" is highly opinionated. There are no citations, and lines like 'are considered to be among the most evocative musical themes ever produced for a video game.' seem excessive to me for wikipedia. The entire section sounds like an opinion. 68.114.106.192 08:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I suggest we edit that, too. Zaku Two 22:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I had a go at making it sound more NPOV but I am a n00b and may have done it completely wrong so feel free to change it if I have. Mazten 11:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)Maria 08/08/06
"More information on this new title can be found at IGN.com"
Why is there a link to IGN for information about this game when there is a Wiki article on it? Was this an IGN shill pimping their website?
Could someone add a " | " between Belka and Erusea in the table? Thanks.
How about adding a timeline
Why after AC3 or AC2 (I forgot which one it was) did they get rid of fuel gauges. I know they sucked but it made it more realistic. So anybody know how an aircraft can fly without any fuel. One more thing why isn't there an article on the X49 Night Raven, Electrosphere has something on it why don't we? Sam ov the blue sand 17:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
How do I access the template at the bottom of the page? I would like to add something in there. Sam ov the blue sand 02:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
In a recent edit it stated that AC5 had 27 missions in campaign mode, does this take into account the 3 alternate mission and mission 27+? I haven't played AC5 in a while but even on the box it says "Over 30 missions" and Arcade mode (which is practically a different game in itself) has over 15 different missions!
why were all images in this article removed? now it's just a horrible block of text. 72.198.34.128 00:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
In the Ace Combat series do the planes (F-15, Su-37) etc. come from thier perspective countries (If Osea is an allegory to the U.S. so they own Boeing in the game?) Just a thought. 75.163.189.63 15:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
The aircraft don't come from countries per say, but the manufacturers mostly. This is implied in Ace 3 and Ace 5 in parts. That said though, just about every aircraft is flown by every nation (not quite, but almost), so as to how the manufacturers get around selling their products to their host nations as well as their enemies (the Su-37, F-22 et al are flown by both sides for example)has never been explained. ( 121.220.233.20 ( talk) 22:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC))
There's a user going around removing all of the aircraft lists from the games' articles under the mistaken impression that such lists are "listcruft" when, in fact, they aren't. However, now is as good a time as any to create a unified page of all of the aircraft in the Ace Combat games. It should probably refrain from adding undue statistics (weapon loadout, special weapons, carrier-based, etc). I Imagine a table would probably work best. eg:
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IdoAlphaOmega 04:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
What the hell!!!! Someone has completely screwed up the list of Ace Combat fictional aircraft page! Somebody please fix this!!!! :( Rogue Commander 04:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I know there has been a lot of work with consolidating all of the Ace Combat Ficitonal aircraft into one artical, but why do all of the links and redirects now go to a list of fictional aircraft which none of the Ace Combat aircraft are included in? Cbale2000 17:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Nevermind I fixed it, looks like someone got a bit confused. Cbale2000 17:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I think "List of Fictional Aircraft" needs to be renamed. Sombody get to that. Rogue Commander 04:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Forget it. I did it already. Rogue Commander 05:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, its crap, I recently took over. Many of the articles have been copied and pasted from here, so I'm asking for you guys to help me out on this.
-- Buffalosoldier92 22:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm adding links to ACS' own wiki [1], which covers the entire series in a much more comprehensive manner than Wikipedia or the AC Wikia. The precedent of allowing links to unofficial wikis has been set by featured articles on games such as Final Fantasy, so please do not remove. Zaku Talk 23:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Well it appears someone has gone and removed the fictional aircraft page. I find it amazing how decisions like this can be made by people that have not contributed to the topic at all the deletion discussion only lasts a few day. What I find even more interesting is the number of people that argue how fictional aircraft from a video game are unencyclopedic, yet apparently numerous fictional aircraft from movies are ( Tie_fighter, FA-37_Talon, ect.). Whatever, I guess I'm just disappointed to see that someone seems to have an itchy finger near the delete button, these problems have been haunting this topic from the beginning. If these users were true wikipedians, they would work to improve articles that have issues, to make them conform to wikipdeia standards, instead of starting a witch hunt. Cbale2000 ( talk) 05:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
It has been suggested that Earth (Ace Combat) be merged here. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Earth (Ace Combat) - Nabla ( talk) 00:16, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
In the overview of the game series, and each title should be edited to indicate the game is a flight shooter, not a flight simulator. The producer of the Ace Combat series has made it explicit in his interviews that Ace Combat is not, and not intended to be a flight simulator. I find this to be a minor, but still notable discrepancy in the English Wikipedia Article. The emphasis of the game design is based around the easy to play - high action design, setting aside questions of reality for enjoyability. This is the primary reason for the high number of missiles, the unlimited fuel, the lax flight physics, and the super powered aircraft. "Realistic enough to be exciting, but not enough to be annoying". Akatombo ( talk) 03:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree mostly, besides the fact that the article should explain what it really is, not what its developers intended it to be. It is NOT (quote) "pseudo-realistic" as described originally. Planes fly forwards as opposed to backwards or sideways, and when you hit the ground you will blow up. Those are about the only "realistic" aspects of the game. Please do not misinform readers of the article, who may then get the false idea that this game somehow remotely translates the tiniest little bit to air combat.
Any trustworthy source, such as the fighter pilot and engineer community of F-16.net will agree, that this should be labeled as a flight shooter or flight action, and the word "realism" and "simulation" should not appear on the page at all. (I fully understand and support the original concept as an arcade shooter, but please don't say the word realism when talking about the series. At all.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.25.12 ( talk) 13:17, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
The characters should already be covered within the main game articles, so I don't think anything will be merged here. If anyone can point out some recurring characters, one section for them would be appropriate. The very basic details of the nations can go into the settings section. TTN ( talk) 18:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I realy don't think there is any real need to merge this article into Ace Combat's main page. However, game articles do not cover characters, and those articles have little to no plot explanation, besides the basics. There is just no drive to merge here. We could split this article into game pages. This would keep us from having one single long article. 74.193.217.105 ( talk) 07:31, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
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I am sorry if I seem biased by numbers, but I was under the impression that AC:AH is part of the Joint Assault story line and is not a main part of the series. Putting it under AC:6 almost seems that it is AC:7 which I think is wrong. 199.123.122.242 ( talk) 17:14, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
A couple days ago, I linked the series name “United Galaxy Space Force” since a series encompassing multiple franchises seemed linkworthy. @ Eaglestorm reverted on the grounds that there’s no article yet. Unless there’s a reason that we should never have a page about the series (which there very well may be, but please explain), there is no reason not to have it redlinked. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 09:16, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Does WP:REDLINK or some other page support avoiding this link? From my read, it supports including it. What’s the rationale for reverting? Communication would be helpful here, @ Eaglestorm. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 17:30, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
3O Response: I agree, there is nothing wrong with redlinks, as they encourage growth in the encyclopedia. I'm disturbed by the lack of @ Eaglestorm:'s presence on this talk page. Eaglestorm, please come and provide your rationale for deleting the redlink. ~ ONUnicorn( Talk| Contribs) problem solving 17:53, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
I’ve submitted a request for the article to be created, but the most I’ve found in English is forum threads discussing it. If the article is created, I’ll contribute as much as I can; but if it’s not, that line in this and other game articles should probably be deleted entirely. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 12:12, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
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And I’m unable to read Japanese and don’t trust machine translation in sourcing an encyclopedia, so I’m also unable to verify that source. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 17:12, 28 April 2015 (UTC)In 2011, Namco retconned the Ace Combat series as the opening act of the United Galaxy Space Force series, an effort to combine all of the company's sci-fi game franchises into one long continuity. The other franchises include Galaxian, Ridge Racer, Star Luster, StarBlade, Bounty Hounds, and New Space Order.
Perhaps one of the individuals on this list [2] would be willing to assist you with that. ScrapIronIV ( talk) 17:23, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
I’ve asked User:Mr. Stradivarius ( ja-3) to verify the source on that paragraph. Please don’t reinsert the paragraph until it’s confirmed accurate. Thanks. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 15:11, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
The domain is registered to a bandai.co.jp email address, so I think it’s safe to assume it’s official. Here’s a potential revised paragraph:
Ace Combat 3 is set within Namco's United Galaxy Space Force series, an effort to combine all of the company's science fictional game franchises into one long continuity. The other franchises include Galaxian, Ridge Racer, Star Luster, StarBlade, Bounty Hounds, and New Space Order. [1]
- ^ BANDAI NAMCO Games Inc. "UGSFシリーズ 公式サイト". Retrieved 28 April 2015.
So, consensus time: Should we leave out the claims because they’re verifiable only by one primary source, or should we include those verifiable parts? I vote for removal; nothing about the continuity seems to be notable (noteworthy, whatever) to anyone but fan forums and wikis. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 00:18, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
“The only science fiction-themed Ace Combat game, and the only one set within Namco's United Galaxy Space Force science fiction universe.[1]”). I believe this balances weight better, but I’m still not sure this article should mention it at all. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 03:14, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm the guy who added Air Combat (arcade game) to the franchise timeline. I swear I'd done it a few months back, but when I came back to the page I saw it wasn't there. So, I'd just like to state my case.
While the Air Combat games might not be directly part of the Ace Combat series they deserve to be included on because of their direct influence on, and continuation into, the Ace Combat series. Like I said in my edit summary, this type of inclusion has precedent in that Donkey Kong (video game) is listed as the first game of Mario (franchise). Games in the Ace Combat series have made references to Air Combat and Air Combat 22 before.
I also include Mach Storm because takes a large majority of its assets from previous Ace Combat games. If it is too dubious for inclusion, I understand, but please do not remove Air Combat (arcade game) and Air Combat 22. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marisauna ( talk • contribs) 03:19, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Does it matter if we state that each game has shipped a certain number of copies as opposed to having sold a certain number of copies? By my understanding, the two are virtually synonymous in terms of following sales performance. See https://www.dualshockers.com/the-difference-between-shipped-and-sold-is-less-relevant-than-you-think/
It bears mentioning that Ace Combat 6, Assault Horizon, and Ace Combat 7 all say "sold" in their sources, whereas all the other games and the 14 million pre-AC7 total say "shipped" in their sources. ~ SlyCooperFan1 12:04, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
The Air Combat (arcade game) was blanked and redirected by User:Namcokid47 to List of Namco games last year, seemingly without establishing any kind of consensus for such a bold move. The reasoning given for such a move is that the game is "not notable" which I find absurd. Numerous reliable sources about the Ace Combat series recognize the arcade game Air Combat as the root of the series (even if Namco now consider the later PlayStation game to be the first entry of the series). Both the Air Combat 22 and Air Combat articles discuss the arcade game Air Combat, and credit the arcade game as the original source material for both games. The Game Machine and RePlay arcade charts for Japan and the US include the Air Combat arcade game as a chart-topper in 1993, while Funworld Magazine noted that it was still one of the top 20 arcade attractions four years later in 1997. Reliable sources like Edge, GameFan and Hardcore Gamer all noted that the Air Combat arcade game had advanced graphics and technology for its time, with GameFan even going as far as calling it the "best flight sim ever" (in 1993). How on Earth is any of this "not notable" enough? It might be helpful to hear some opinions from other editors about this issue. Maestro2016 ( talk) 18:57, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
None of these sources actually talk about Air Combat independently from other games or topics. It fails WP:GNG which is why your attempts to overturn the redirect have been reverted. I spent some time combing through Archive.org and other magazine sites and most of my findings were just passing mentions. It simply doesn't have enough coverage to warrant an article at this time. I can see Air Combat 22 maybe having a page, there's more sources that talk about that game specifically than this, but nothing for this one. Namcokid 47 19:41, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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I think there needs to be a page to cover the first Ace Combat (Air Combat) as there isn't anything about that game. Nonetheless, it deserves its own page apart from the series. -- deadkid_dk 08:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I think you're right. I wish someone with extensive knowledge of the first game could make an entry for Air Combat. -- angst72 22:05, 15 March 2006
I agree, we've added alot of information to the Wikipedia, i thin k we should have Disambiguation page with all AC articles, including the countries and the ADF-01. -- Stuka22:01, 25 March
I agree with deadkid, somebody should cover Air Combat, if they can find a way to.
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some one has been going on rampant with PfDs. Stop it. Many of articles are many Paragraphs long and have enough info to appeal to the common Wikipedian. I've checked his profile; all the edits he's done have been AfDs or PfDs. Don't give into him. -- Stuka2 19:39, 10 April 2006
Is this section strictly nesseasary? It just sounds like these sins and saints people promoting themselves-- Josquius 16:07, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
'Hardcore fans of the series consider this one of the best games in the series though' 'Hardcore fans on the series consider the US version of the game to be the worst game in the series.'
I'm new to wikipedia but this seems a pretty opionated article to me. I'm not sure who all the hardcore gamers are but without any sources this does seem pretty opionated to me. (But then, I am a total n00b) 82.19.26.192 09:04, 17 September 2006 (UTC) Maria 17th September
I'm also unfamilar with official wikipedia guidelines, but it seems to me that the current section labeled "Music" is highly opinionated. There are no citations, and lines like 'are considered to be among the most evocative musical themes ever produced for a video game.' seem excessive to me for wikipedia. The entire section sounds like an opinion. 68.114.106.192 08:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I suggest we edit that, too. Zaku Two 22:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I had a go at making it sound more NPOV but I am a n00b and may have done it completely wrong so feel free to change it if I have. Mazten 11:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)Maria 08/08/06
"More information on this new title can be found at IGN.com"
Why is there a link to IGN for information about this game when there is a Wiki article on it? Was this an IGN shill pimping their website?
Could someone add a " | " between Belka and Erusea in the table? Thanks.
How about adding a timeline
Why after AC3 or AC2 (I forgot which one it was) did they get rid of fuel gauges. I know they sucked but it made it more realistic. So anybody know how an aircraft can fly without any fuel. One more thing why isn't there an article on the X49 Night Raven, Electrosphere has something on it why don't we? Sam ov the blue sand 17:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
How do I access the template at the bottom of the page? I would like to add something in there. Sam ov the blue sand 02:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
In a recent edit it stated that AC5 had 27 missions in campaign mode, does this take into account the 3 alternate mission and mission 27+? I haven't played AC5 in a while but even on the box it says "Over 30 missions" and Arcade mode (which is practically a different game in itself) has over 15 different missions!
why were all images in this article removed? now it's just a horrible block of text. 72.198.34.128 00:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
In the Ace Combat series do the planes (F-15, Su-37) etc. come from thier perspective countries (If Osea is an allegory to the U.S. so they own Boeing in the game?) Just a thought. 75.163.189.63 15:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
The aircraft don't come from countries per say, but the manufacturers mostly. This is implied in Ace 3 and Ace 5 in parts. That said though, just about every aircraft is flown by every nation (not quite, but almost), so as to how the manufacturers get around selling their products to their host nations as well as their enemies (the Su-37, F-22 et al are flown by both sides for example)has never been explained. ( 121.220.233.20 ( talk) 22:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC))
There's a user going around removing all of the aircraft lists from the games' articles under the mistaken impression that such lists are "listcruft" when, in fact, they aren't. However, now is as good a time as any to create a unified page of all of the aircraft in the Ace Combat games. It should probably refrain from adding undue statistics (weapon loadout, special weapons, carrier-based, etc). I Imagine a table would probably work best. eg:
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IdoAlphaOmega 04:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
What the hell!!!! Someone has completely screwed up the list of Ace Combat fictional aircraft page! Somebody please fix this!!!! :( Rogue Commander 04:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I know there has been a lot of work with consolidating all of the Ace Combat Ficitonal aircraft into one artical, but why do all of the links and redirects now go to a list of fictional aircraft which none of the Ace Combat aircraft are included in? Cbale2000 17:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Nevermind I fixed it, looks like someone got a bit confused. Cbale2000 17:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I think "List of Fictional Aircraft" needs to be renamed. Sombody get to that. Rogue Commander 04:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Forget it. I did it already. Rogue Commander 05:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, its crap, I recently took over. Many of the articles have been copied and pasted from here, so I'm asking for you guys to help me out on this.
-- Buffalosoldier92 22:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm adding links to ACS' own wiki [1], which covers the entire series in a much more comprehensive manner than Wikipedia or the AC Wikia. The precedent of allowing links to unofficial wikis has been set by featured articles on games such as Final Fantasy, so please do not remove. Zaku Talk 23:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Well it appears someone has gone and removed the fictional aircraft page. I find it amazing how decisions like this can be made by people that have not contributed to the topic at all the deletion discussion only lasts a few day. What I find even more interesting is the number of people that argue how fictional aircraft from a video game are unencyclopedic, yet apparently numerous fictional aircraft from movies are ( Tie_fighter, FA-37_Talon, ect.). Whatever, I guess I'm just disappointed to see that someone seems to have an itchy finger near the delete button, these problems have been haunting this topic from the beginning. If these users were true wikipedians, they would work to improve articles that have issues, to make them conform to wikipdeia standards, instead of starting a witch hunt. Cbale2000 ( talk) 05:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
It has been suggested that Earth (Ace Combat) be merged here. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Earth (Ace Combat) - Nabla ( talk) 00:16, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
In the overview of the game series, and each title should be edited to indicate the game is a flight shooter, not a flight simulator. The producer of the Ace Combat series has made it explicit in his interviews that Ace Combat is not, and not intended to be a flight simulator. I find this to be a minor, but still notable discrepancy in the English Wikipedia Article. The emphasis of the game design is based around the easy to play - high action design, setting aside questions of reality for enjoyability. This is the primary reason for the high number of missiles, the unlimited fuel, the lax flight physics, and the super powered aircraft. "Realistic enough to be exciting, but not enough to be annoying". Akatombo ( talk) 03:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree mostly, besides the fact that the article should explain what it really is, not what its developers intended it to be. It is NOT (quote) "pseudo-realistic" as described originally. Planes fly forwards as opposed to backwards or sideways, and when you hit the ground you will blow up. Those are about the only "realistic" aspects of the game. Please do not misinform readers of the article, who may then get the false idea that this game somehow remotely translates the tiniest little bit to air combat.
Any trustworthy source, such as the fighter pilot and engineer community of F-16.net will agree, that this should be labeled as a flight shooter or flight action, and the word "realism" and "simulation" should not appear on the page at all. (I fully understand and support the original concept as an arcade shooter, but please don't say the word realism when talking about the series. At all.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.25.12 ( talk) 13:17, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
The characters should already be covered within the main game articles, so I don't think anything will be merged here. If anyone can point out some recurring characters, one section for them would be appropriate. The very basic details of the nations can go into the settings section. TTN ( talk) 18:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I realy don't think there is any real need to merge this article into Ace Combat's main page. However, game articles do not cover characters, and those articles have little to no plot explanation, besides the basics. There is just no drive to merge here. We could split this article into game pages. This would keep us from having one single long article. 74.193.217.105 ( talk) 07:31, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
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I am sorry if I seem biased by numbers, but I was under the impression that AC:AH is part of the Joint Assault story line and is not a main part of the series. Putting it under AC:6 almost seems that it is AC:7 which I think is wrong. 199.123.122.242 ( talk) 17:14, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
A couple days ago, I linked the series name “United Galaxy Space Force” since a series encompassing multiple franchises seemed linkworthy. @ Eaglestorm reverted on the grounds that there’s no article yet. Unless there’s a reason that we should never have a page about the series (which there very well may be, but please explain), there is no reason not to have it redlinked. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 09:16, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Does WP:REDLINK or some other page support avoiding this link? From my read, it supports including it. What’s the rationale for reverting? Communication would be helpful here, @ Eaglestorm. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 17:30, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
3O Response: I agree, there is nothing wrong with redlinks, as they encourage growth in the encyclopedia. I'm disturbed by the lack of @ Eaglestorm:'s presence on this talk page. Eaglestorm, please come and provide your rationale for deleting the redlink. ~ ONUnicorn( Talk| Contribs) problem solving 17:53, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
I’ve submitted a request for the article to be created, but the most I’ve found in English is forum threads discussing it. If the article is created, I’ll contribute as much as I can; but if it’s not, that line in this and other game articles should probably be deleted entirely. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 12:12, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
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And I’m unable to read Japanese and don’t trust machine translation in sourcing an encyclopedia, so I’m also unable to verify that source. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 17:12, 28 April 2015 (UTC)In 2011, Namco retconned the Ace Combat series as the opening act of the United Galaxy Space Force series, an effort to combine all of the company's sci-fi game franchises into one long continuity. The other franchises include Galaxian, Ridge Racer, Star Luster, StarBlade, Bounty Hounds, and New Space Order.
Perhaps one of the individuals on this list [2] would be willing to assist you with that. ScrapIronIV ( talk) 17:23, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
I’ve asked User:Mr. Stradivarius ( ja-3) to verify the source on that paragraph. Please don’t reinsert the paragraph until it’s confirmed accurate. Thanks. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 15:11, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
The domain is registered to a bandai.co.jp email address, so I think it’s safe to assume it’s official. Here’s a potential revised paragraph:
Ace Combat 3 is set within Namco's United Galaxy Space Force series, an effort to combine all of the company's science fictional game franchises into one long continuity. The other franchises include Galaxian, Ridge Racer, Star Luster, StarBlade, Bounty Hounds, and New Space Order. [1]
- ^ BANDAI NAMCO Games Inc. "UGSFシリーズ 公式サイト". Retrieved 28 April 2015.
So, consensus time: Should we leave out the claims because they’re verifiable only by one primary source, or should we include those verifiable parts? I vote for removal; nothing about the continuity seems to be notable (noteworthy, whatever) to anyone but fan forums and wikis. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 00:18, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
“The only science fiction-themed Ace Combat game, and the only one set within Namco's United Galaxy Space Force science fiction universe.[1]”). I believe this balances weight better, but I’m still not sure this article should mention it at all. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 03:14, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm the guy who added Air Combat (arcade game) to the franchise timeline. I swear I'd done it a few months back, but when I came back to the page I saw it wasn't there. So, I'd just like to state my case.
While the Air Combat games might not be directly part of the Ace Combat series they deserve to be included on because of their direct influence on, and continuation into, the Ace Combat series. Like I said in my edit summary, this type of inclusion has precedent in that Donkey Kong (video game) is listed as the first game of Mario (franchise). Games in the Ace Combat series have made references to Air Combat and Air Combat 22 before.
I also include Mach Storm because takes a large majority of its assets from previous Ace Combat games. If it is too dubious for inclusion, I understand, but please do not remove Air Combat (arcade game) and Air Combat 22. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marisauna ( talk • contribs) 03:19, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Does it matter if we state that each game has shipped a certain number of copies as opposed to having sold a certain number of copies? By my understanding, the two are virtually synonymous in terms of following sales performance. See https://www.dualshockers.com/the-difference-between-shipped-and-sold-is-less-relevant-than-you-think/
It bears mentioning that Ace Combat 6, Assault Horizon, and Ace Combat 7 all say "sold" in their sources, whereas all the other games and the 14 million pre-AC7 total say "shipped" in their sources. ~ SlyCooperFan1 12:04, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
The Air Combat (arcade game) was blanked and redirected by User:Namcokid47 to List of Namco games last year, seemingly without establishing any kind of consensus for such a bold move. The reasoning given for such a move is that the game is "not notable" which I find absurd. Numerous reliable sources about the Ace Combat series recognize the arcade game Air Combat as the root of the series (even if Namco now consider the later PlayStation game to be the first entry of the series). Both the Air Combat 22 and Air Combat articles discuss the arcade game Air Combat, and credit the arcade game as the original source material for both games. The Game Machine and RePlay arcade charts for Japan and the US include the Air Combat arcade game as a chart-topper in 1993, while Funworld Magazine noted that it was still one of the top 20 arcade attractions four years later in 1997. Reliable sources like Edge, GameFan and Hardcore Gamer all noted that the Air Combat arcade game had advanced graphics and technology for its time, with GameFan even going as far as calling it the "best flight sim ever" (in 1993). How on Earth is any of this "not notable" enough? It might be helpful to hear some opinions from other editors about this issue. Maestro2016 ( talk) 18:57, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
None of these sources actually talk about Air Combat independently from other games or topics. It fails WP:GNG which is why your attempts to overturn the redirect have been reverted. I spent some time combing through Archive.org and other magazine sites and most of my findings were just passing mentions. It simply doesn't have enough coverage to warrant an article at this time. I can see Air Combat 22 maybe having a page, there's more sources that talk about that game specifically than this, but nothing for this one. Namcokid 47 19:41, 10 March 2021 (UTC)