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The introductory sentence of this article seems to be incorrect at least according to Peter Wolfendale, whose article on accelerationism is referenced. He writes:
"Capitalism reduces the cost of being alive to a minimum, but just to shrink the worker’s slice as the pie grows. Eventually through this process “it becomes evident” that the owners are parasites, and the expropriated expropriate the expropriators. If all this is the case, then it logically follows that we shouldn’t be trying to slow the expropriation down, but rather we should attempt to speed the system toward its inevitable doom. This dynamic is the premise for the collection #Accelerate, new from the radically odd publisher Urbanomic.”
As Alex Williams has noted before, this is not a position that anyone has ever held. Okay, let’s qualify that a bit. It might be the case that some people have held this position, and that some of them now even think of themselves as ‘accelerationists’. So let’s limit it to the claim that it is not a position that anyone in the #Accelerate reader has ever held.
Morgan Sutherland ( talk) 19:52, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
In political and social theory, accelerationism is the belief that either the prevailing system of capitalism, or certain technosocial processes that historically characterised it, should be expanded and accelerated in order to generate radical social change. Contemporary accelerationist philosophy takes as its starting point the Deleuzo-Guattarian theory of deterritorialisation, aiming to identify, deepen, and radicalise the forces of deterritorialisation with a view to overcoming the countervailing tendencies that suppress the possibility of far-reaching social transformation. In colloquial usage, accelerationism may also refer to the specific belief that capitalism's acceleration will lead to its self-destruction.
The opening statement, "In political and social theory, accelerationism is the idea that either the prevailing system of capitalism, or certain technosocial processes that historically characterised it, should be expanded and accelerated in order to generate radical social change" is an excellent general definition. I'm open to suggestion, but cannot think of a use of the term that it does not cover. The opening line of the Accelerationist Reader may be worth citing: "Accelerationism is a political heresy: the insistence that the only radical political response to capitalism is not to protest, disrupt, or critique, nor to await its demise at the hands of its own contradictions, but to accelerate its uprooting, alienating, decoding, abstractive tendencies." (pg 4)
However, I disagree with the D&G tilt to the article - although it's a critical influence on Land, they show up very infrequently in l#a writing so far as I'm able to establish. And historically, as in the Urbanomic reader, there are many antecedents - explicitly, in the reader, Marx (Srnicek and Williams, and the commentators on it in that volume) and Fedorov, Bulgakov and Russian cosmism generally (Singleton essay). Plus of course various futurisms (not just Marinetti!), "NASA cosmism" (von Braun, or Krafft Ehricke and his doctrine of 'the extraterrestrial imperative, etc.). I'm not sure how far this would go in a Wikipedia article - these are possibly just 'related links'.
The term is first used by Zelazny in Lord of Light, 1967. As one of the alien rulers of earth, who in novel masquerade as gods, explains: "“Now then, about Accelerationism-it is a simple doctrine of sharing. It proposes that we of Heaven give unto those who dwell below of our knowledge and powers and substance. This act of charity would be directed to the end of raising their condition of existence to a higher level, akin to that which we ourselves occupy. Then every man would be as a god, you see. The result of this, of course, would be that there would no longer be any gods, only men. We would give them knowledge of the sciences and the arts, which we possess, and in so doing we would destroy their simple faith and remove all basis for their hoping that things will be better-for the best way to destroy faith or hope is to let it be realized. Why should we permit men to suffer this burden of godhood collectively, as the Accelerationists wished, when we do grant it to them individually when they come to deserve it?” (And plenty more quotes to be found in there besides - very l#a-type usage obviously.)
It was later used by Benjamin Noys (of course) in the pejorative. He has said in writing (see preface to Malign Velocities, available here) it was an independent coinage, but he concurs that he had read the book a long time ago and it might have influenced him.
I think it's fair to say that the legacy of the CCRU has been critical in fulminating both 'accelerationism' as a visible contemporary (circa 2013-present) discourse (not just Land, but also Sadie Plant, and the later work of the students who studied under/with them: Luciana Parisi, Mark Fisher, Kodwo Eshun, Steve Goodman, Robin Mackay, etc.), and of course the label (deployed by Noys as a critique of Land, amongst others). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bestwaysurface ( talk • contribs) 23:29, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Don't you think some comments on Lenin are needed, wasn't he the one who coined the term and concept 'accelerate the contradictions'
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Peter Wolfendale here. Just pointing out that the blog post you are referencing here has been attributed to Robin MacKay rather than me. I'll edit it quickly, if that's permissible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.253.62.139 ( talk) 08:27, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Starting this thread for action on the tag. 98.4.103.219 ( talk) 18:11, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
I added a separate headline for far-right accelerationism, seeing as it differs from "traditional" accelerationism (even the right-wing variant of Nick Land) in not focusing on the acceleration of capitalism but rather the acceleration of racial conflict. I won't argue that the far-right version doesn't have anything at all to do with the Deleuzo-Guattarian heritage, but it seems far enough removed to warrant its own headline. Sorbisk fuga ( talk) 09:49, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
I think there are absolutely 0 sources tracing racial accelerationism back to true acc, or the deleuzoguattarian framework (or even the term "acceleration" itself, since it's more of an escalation/collapse tactic than a tendency leading to anything new), at least none that I know of Mononononoke ( talk) 09:17, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Not only is there little to no connection between racial "accelerationism" and actual accelerationism, but half the page is taken up now with information on far-right accelerationism. This is tantamount to giving National Socialism a section on the Socialism page because it appropriates the term "socialism" despite having little to do with it. At best it deserves a small mention that far-right terrorism in the 2010s began to identify itself as "accelerationist", with a See Also tag for the following: Domestic terrorism in the United States, Terrorism in the United States § Right-wing and anti-government extremism, Terrorism in the United States § White nationalism/White supremacy — Utterly Null ( talk) 01:14, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Don't do that. I'd say the far right section now contains the bare minimum to explain it. Unfortunate perhaps, but when accelerationism is mentioned in 2020 they're far more likely to think of the terrorist kind of accelerationism than Land's theoretical musings. Words are living things, they evolve and take on new meanings. That's why the page about "gays" is about homosexual rather than happy people. Besides, Land has expressed support for the new kind off accelerationism, further complicating separating them. RKT7789 ( talk) 05:01, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
So explain why in a manner that does not equate accelerationism to neo-nazi trolls that have taken up the label. Utterly Null is completely correct in their concerns and proposals 73.92.48.129 ( talk) 21:24, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Currently, a piece from Jacobite Magazine is used as a source. I have found only a single source (Vox) mentioning anything at all about Jacobite. They say: "Other places that Wax credits for 'thoughtful discussion' of these issues are Taki’s Mag, the alt-right publication where Derbyshire published his screed about 'the number of blacks,' and VDARE, another leading alt-right publication. (The pro-Trump Journal of American Greatness and the marginal right-wing site Jacobite were also mentioned.)"
The only other places that mention Jacobite seem to be... just... the worst sites I've seen in a while. The difference here is that the currently-used article is by Nick Land, who is an important figure in accelerationism. I think his statements may in fact be due, but it is worth discussion.
Thoughts on this particular use? Any objections to me stripping this source out of most other articles? Thanks for your considerations! Jlevi ( talk) 02:11, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
I added Template:Confusing.
I re-wrote the first two sentences so hopefully things are clearer now. I could use some help re-writing the rest of the article. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 21:56, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
The abbreviations "L/Acc", "R/Acc", "U/Acc" appear frequently enough that they should probably be included in the article. I am going to add these, sourced to Nick Land's "Introduction" for lack of a better source (if someone can find a better source please substitute it, but AFAICT as a major contributor to accelerationism Land is a sufficiently reliable source for this information). - 73.195.249.93 ( talk) 02:46, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
This article is joke. It takes an entirely far left alarmist view point and tries to paint everyone who believes improved technology will save the planet and bring about abundance for everyone as Nazis. Absolutely laughable. It's this kind of thing that has destroyed Wikipedia. Hontogaichiban ( talk) 10:53, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Even Marx thought capitalism would eventually destroy itself due to technology lower the cost of almost everything to zero. Hontogaichiban ( talk) 10:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
I appreciate the reply. Obviously Wikipedia is still useful for anything not at all controversial, but wherever politics is involved it's a shadow of its former self. The last 10 years have not been kind. Hontogaichiban ( talk) 23:52, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Basically what this article is saying is: "right-wing terrorism = bad, left-wing terrorism = good". Not biased at all! 77.255.102.48 ( talk) 21:31, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Where are the responses from mainstream philosphers? Elias ( talk) 09:40, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
Since "accelerationism" was coined in 2010, the term has suffered from considerable conceptual stretching and has taken on several new meanings, often appropriated by right-wing extremist movements
Since the late 2010s, neo-Nazis, white nationalists and white supremacists have increasingly appropriated the term "accelerationism"
(emphasis mine)
Is there a reason why “appropriated” should be used here instead of “used”? I note also that the lead says:
The term accelerationism has also been appropriated and placed into contexts distanced from accelerationist ideas
This assertion is unsourced, and none of the references given for this paragraph say anything even resembling this. Please advise :-)
postleft ✍ (Arugula)
☞ say hello! 16:47, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
It should be made clear in this article that the appropriation of the term "accelerationism" by far-right terrorist organizations has nothing to do with the philosophers and especially left-wing critical theorists who inspired the term. There is a strong ideological distinction between the 1990s work of Nick Land and his subsequent Dark Enlightenment philosophy in the 2010s. Having a section mentioning the black artist and theorist Aria Dean's clearly left-wing use of accelerationism to theorize the damage of the slave trade on an article gradually being edited to paint accelerationism as an ideology of far-right terrorism makes this distinction obvious. TreeLethargy ( talk) 04:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Nazis are utterly opposed to social theory and critical theory; accelerationism is named as a range of ideas in social theory and critical theory in the very first sentence. ??? TreeLethargy ( talk) 18:47, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
The reference given in the Far-right accelerationist terrorism section regarding Myatt and O9A - CTC Sentinel - while it mentions Myatt does not provide any evidence: the CTC links relate to Islamic State and have nothing to do with Myatt. Given this basic error in the source and thus its unreliability in relation to Myatt I've removed the claim. Mactoron ( talk) 07:47, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
i know what they have to do with far-right "accelerationist" terrorism but i can't find anything about the O9A talking about accelerating capitalism with Deleuze's ideas ? why do we need a paragraph explaining who they are TreeLethargy ( talk) 18:29, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I think that, in general, this article could stand to better parcel out Nick Land's relationship with the Dark Enlightenment and debatable support of the Order of Nine Angels, i.e. his relationship with contemporary reactionary movements and the far-Right, as it just feels fairly nebulous somehow and I find myself feeling unsure where I stand with the guy, as if he either could just be some eccentric technocratic intellectual or a neo-fascist sympathizer, which, I think, may come part and parcel with the figure that is Nick Land, but feel like there's information to be had about all of this, should anyone know where to find it.
I'm also not sure why the Manson Family is included within the list of accelerationist movements, which is not to say that they didn't comprise of kind of a fascist cult, but, they do precede the accelerationist theories of, say, Nick Land, and, so, just can not possibly be considered as an accelerationist organization.
I also wonder if it wouldn't be useful to mention Terrorgram somehow, as, though I couldn't say for absolute sure, not venturing forth there, I'd bet that people in the Atomwaffen Division, The Base, Combat 18, the Nordic Resistance Movement, the Order of Nine Angels, and the Russian Imperial Movement may all be active there. Daydreamdays2 ( talk) 19:45, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
This is more of an idea for an inquiry than it is a suggestion for an edit, but, just staring into the abyss that is the extensive information that can be found on neo-fascist intellectuals and organizations on this website for kind of an extensive period of time, it seems a bit likely to me that adherents of the so-called "third position" and the far-right accelerationists may kind of run in the same circles, which is how I wonder if there hasn't been some influence or another.
As I'm interested in it, I really ought to do my own research, but reading actual neo-fascist texts just kind of flips my wig too much, and, so, apologize for just kind of tossing this out there. It may not be true, but it certainly seems possible to me, anyways. Daydreamdays2 ( talk) 21:08, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
The Guardian has a piece that says that Roger Zelazny originally came up with the idea in Lord of Light, 1967, not first coined by Benjamin Noys in 2010 as the Wikipedia article states. The Guardian says Noys "borrowed" it. ☆ Bri ( talk) 00:19, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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The introductory sentence of this article seems to be incorrect at least according to Peter Wolfendale, whose article on accelerationism is referenced. He writes:
"Capitalism reduces the cost of being alive to a minimum, but just to shrink the worker’s slice as the pie grows. Eventually through this process “it becomes evident” that the owners are parasites, and the expropriated expropriate the expropriators. If all this is the case, then it logically follows that we shouldn’t be trying to slow the expropriation down, but rather we should attempt to speed the system toward its inevitable doom. This dynamic is the premise for the collection #Accelerate, new from the radically odd publisher Urbanomic.”
As Alex Williams has noted before, this is not a position that anyone has ever held. Okay, let’s qualify that a bit. It might be the case that some people have held this position, and that some of them now even think of themselves as ‘accelerationists’. So let’s limit it to the claim that it is not a position that anyone in the #Accelerate reader has ever held.
Morgan Sutherland ( talk) 19:52, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
In political and social theory, accelerationism is the belief that either the prevailing system of capitalism, or certain technosocial processes that historically characterised it, should be expanded and accelerated in order to generate radical social change. Contemporary accelerationist philosophy takes as its starting point the Deleuzo-Guattarian theory of deterritorialisation, aiming to identify, deepen, and radicalise the forces of deterritorialisation with a view to overcoming the countervailing tendencies that suppress the possibility of far-reaching social transformation. In colloquial usage, accelerationism may also refer to the specific belief that capitalism's acceleration will lead to its self-destruction.
The opening statement, "In political and social theory, accelerationism is the idea that either the prevailing system of capitalism, or certain technosocial processes that historically characterised it, should be expanded and accelerated in order to generate radical social change" is an excellent general definition. I'm open to suggestion, but cannot think of a use of the term that it does not cover. The opening line of the Accelerationist Reader may be worth citing: "Accelerationism is a political heresy: the insistence that the only radical political response to capitalism is not to protest, disrupt, or critique, nor to await its demise at the hands of its own contradictions, but to accelerate its uprooting, alienating, decoding, abstractive tendencies." (pg 4)
However, I disagree with the D&G tilt to the article - although it's a critical influence on Land, they show up very infrequently in l#a writing so far as I'm able to establish. And historically, as in the Urbanomic reader, there are many antecedents - explicitly, in the reader, Marx (Srnicek and Williams, and the commentators on it in that volume) and Fedorov, Bulgakov and Russian cosmism generally (Singleton essay). Plus of course various futurisms (not just Marinetti!), "NASA cosmism" (von Braun, or Krafft Ehricke and his doctrine of 'the extraterrestrial imperative, etc.). I'm not sure how far this would go in a Wikipedia article - these are possibly just 'related links'.
The term is first used by Zelazny in Lord of Light, 1967. As one of the alien rulers of earth, who in novel masquerade as gods, explains: "“Now then, about Accelerationism-it is a simple doctrine of sharing. It proposes that we of Heaven give unto those who dwell below of our knowledge and powers and substance. This act of charity would be directed to the end of raising their condition of existence to a higher level, akin to that which we ourselves occupy. Then every man would be as a god, you see. The result of this, of course, would be that there would no longer be any gods, only men. We would give them knowledge of the sciences and the arts, which we possess, and in so doing we would destroy their simple faith and remove all basis for their hoping that things will be better-for the best way to destroy faith or hope is to let it be realized. Why should we permit men to suffer this burden of godhood collectively, as the Accelerationists wished, when we do grant it to them individually when they come to deserve it?” (And plenty more quotes to be found in there besides - very l#a-type usage obviously.)
It was later used by Benjamin Noys (of course) in the pejorative. He has said in writing (see preface to Malign Velocities, available here) it was an independent coinage, but he concurs that he had read the book a long time ago and it might have influenced him.
I think it's fair to say that the legacy of the CCRU has been critical in fulminating both 'accelerationism' as a visible contemporary (circa 2013-present) discourse (not just Land, but also Sadie Plant, and the later work of the students who studied under/with them: Luciana Parisi, Mark Fisher, Kodwo Eshun, Steve Goodman, Robin Mackay, etc.), and of course the label (deployed by Noys as a critique of Land, amongst others). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bestwaysurface ( talk • contribs) 23:29, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Don't you think some comments on Lenin are needed, wasn't he the one who coined the term and concept 'accelerate the contradictions'
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Peter Wolfendale here. Just pointing out that the blog post you are referencing here has been attributed to Robin MacKay rather than me. I'll edit it quickly, if that's permissible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.253.62.139 ( talk) 08:27, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Starting this thread for action on the tag. 98.4.103.219 ( talk) 18:11, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
I added a separate headline for far-right accelerationism, seeing as it differs from "traditional" accelerationism (even the right-wing variant of Nick Land) in not focusing on the acceleration of capitalism but rather the acceleration of racial conflict. I won't argue that the far-right version doesn't have anything at all to do with the Deleuzo-Guattarian heritage, but it seems far enough removed to warrant its own headline. Sorbisk fuga ( talk) 09:49, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
I think there are absolutely 0 sources tracing racial accelerationism back to true acc, or the deleuzoguattarian framework (or even the term "acceleration" itself, since it's more of an escalation/collapse tactic than a tendency leading to anything new), at least none that I know of Mononononoke ( talk) 09:17, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Not only is there little to no connection between racial "accelerationism" and actual accelerationism, but half the page is taken up now with information on far-right accelerationism. This is tantamount to giving National Socialism a section on the Socialism page because it appropriates the term "socialism" despite having little to do with it. At best it deserves a small mention that far-right terrorism in the 2010s began to identify itself as "accelerationist", with a See Also tag for the following: Domestic terrorism in the United States, Terrorism in the United States § Right-wing and anti-government extremism, Terrorism in the United States § White nationalism/White supremacy — Utterly Null ( talk) 01:14, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Don't do that. I'd say the far right section now contains the bare minimum to explain it. Unfortunate perhaps, but when accelerationism is mentioned in 2020 they're far more likely to think of the terrorist kind of accelerationism than Land's theoretical musings. Words are living things, they evolve and take on new meanings. That's why the page about "gays" is about homosexual rather than happy people. Besides, Land has expressed support for the new kind off accelerationism, further complicating separating them. RKT7789 ( talk) 05:01, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
So explain why in a manner that does not equate accelerationism to neo-nazi trolls that have taken up the label. Utterly Null is completely correct in their concerns and proposals 73.92.48.129 ( talk) 21:24, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Currently, a piece from Jacobite Magazine is used as a source. I have found only a single source (Vox) mentioning anything at all about Jacobite. They say: "Other places that Wax credits for 'thoughtful discussion' of these issues are Taki’s Mag, the alt-right publication where Derbyshire published his screed about 'the number of blacks,' and VDARE, another leading alt-right publication. (The pro-Trump Journal of American Greatness and the marginal right-wing site Jacobite were also mentioned.)"
The only other places that mention Jacobite seem to be... just... the worst sites I've seen in a while. The difference here is that the currently-used article is by Nick Land, who is an important figure in accelerationism. I think his statements may in fact be due, but it is worth discussion.
Thoughts on this particular use? Any objections to me stripping this source out of most other articles? Thanks for your considerations! Jlevi ( talk) 02:11, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
I added Template:Confusing.
I re-wrote the first two sentences so hopefully things are clearer now. I could use some help re-writing the rest of the article. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 21:56, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
The abbreviations "L/Acc", "R/Acc", "U/Acc" appear frequently enough that they should probably be included in the article. I am going to add these, sourced to Nick Land's "Introduction" for lack of a better source (if someone can find a better source please substitute it, but AFAICT as a major contributor to accelerationism Land is a sufficiently reliable source for this information). - 73.195.249.93 ( talk) 02:46, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
This article is joke. It takes an entirely far left alarmist view point and tries to paint everyone who believes improved technology will save the planet and bring about abundance for everyone as Nazis. Absolutely laughable. It's this kind of thing that has destroyed Wikipedia. Hontogaichiban ( talk) 10:53, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Even Marx thought capitalism would eventually destroy itself due to technology lower the cost of almost everything to zero. Hontogaichiban ( talk) 10:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
I appreciate the reply. Obviously Wikipedia is still useful for anything not at all controversial, but wherever politics is involved it's a shadow of its former self. The last 10 years have not been kind. Hontogaichiban ( talk) 23:52, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Basically what this article is saying is: "right-wing terrorism = bad, left-wing terrorism = good". Not biased at all! 77.255.102.48 ( talk) 21:31, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Where are the responses from mainstream philosphers? Elias ( talk) 09:40, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
Since "accelerationism" was coined in 2010, the term has suffered from considerable conceptual stretching and has taken on several new meanings, often appropriated by right-wing extremist movements
Since the late 2010s, neo-Nazis, white nationalists and white supremacists have increasingly appropriated the term "accelerationism"
(emphasis mine)
Is there a reason why “appropriated” should be used here instead of “used”? I note also that the lead says:
The term accelerationism has also been appropriated and placed into contexts distanced from accelerationist ideas
This assertion is unsourced, and none of the references given for this paragraph say anything even resembling this. Please advise :-)
postleft ✍ (Arugula)
☞ say hello! 16:47, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
It should be made clear in this article that the appropriation of the term "accelerationism" by far-right terrorist organizations has nothing to do with the philosophers and especially left-wing critical theorists who inspired the term. There is a strong ideological distinction between the 1990s work of Nick Land and his subsequent Dark Enlightenment philosophy in the 2010s. Having a section mentioning the black artist and theorist Aria Dean's clearly left-wing use of accelerationism to theorize the damage of the slave trade on an article gradually being edited to paint accelerationism as an ideology of far-right terrorism makes this distinction obvious. TreeLethargy ( talk) 04:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Nazis are utterly opposed to social theory and critical theory; accelerationism is named as a range of ideas in social theory and critical theory in the very first sentence. ??? TreeLethargy ( talk) 18:47, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
The reference given in the Far-right accelerationist terrorism section regarding Myatt and O9A - CTC Sentinel - while it mentions Myatt does not provide any evidence: the CTC links relate to Islamic State and have nothing to do with Myatt. Given this basic error in the source and thus its unreliability in relation to Myatt I've removed the claim. Mactoron ( talk) 07:47, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
i know what they have to do with far-right "accelerationist" terrorism but i can't find anything about the O9A talking about accelerating capitalism with Deleuze's ideas ? why do we need a paragraph explaining who they are TreeLethargy ( talk) 18:29, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I think that, in general, this article could stand to better parcel out Nick Land's relationship with the Dark Enlightenment and debatable support of the Order of Nine Angels, i.e. his relationship with contemporary reactionary movements and the far-Right, as it just feels fairly nebulous somehow and I find myself feeling unsure where I stand with the guy, as if he either could just be some eccentric technocratic intellectual or a neo-fascist sympathizer, which, I think, may come part and parcel with the figure that is Nick Land, but feel like there's information to be had about all of this, should anyone know where to find it.
I'm also not sure why the Manson Family is included within the list of accelerationist movements, which is not to say that they didn't comprise of kind of a fascist cult, but, they do precede the accelerationist theories of, say, Nick Land, and, so, just can not possibly be considered as an accelerationist organization.
I also wonder if it wouldn't be useful to mention Terrorgram somehow, as, though I couldn't say for absolute sure, not venturing forth there, I'd bet that people in the Atomwaffen Division, The Base, Combat 18, the Nordic Resistance Movement, the Order of Nine Angels, and the Russian Imperial Movement may all be active there. Daydreamdays2 ( talk) 19:45, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
This is more of an idea for an inquiry than it is a suggestion for an edit, but, just staring into the abyss that is the extensive information that can be found on neo-fascist intellectuals and organizations on this website for kind of an extensive period of time, it seems a bit likely to me that adherents of the so-called "third position" and the far-right accelerationists may kind of run in the same circles, which is how I wonder if there hasn't been some influence or another.
As I'm interested in it, I really ought to do my own research, but reading actual neo-fascist texts just kind of flips my wig too much, and, so, apologize for just kind of tossing this out there. It may not be true, but it certainly seems possible to me, anyways. Daydreamdays2 ( talk) 21:08, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
The Guardian has a piece that says that Roger Zelazny originally came up with the idea in Lord of Light, 1967, not first coined by Benjamin Noys in 2010 as the Wikipedia article states. The Guardian says Noys "borrowed" it. ☆ Bri ( talk) 00:19, 6 February 2024 (UTC)