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I have protected the page to stop an edit war... Though this requires me to stay uninvolved in the dispute, I think that I'm still allowed to suggest a possible compromise between Shorne and AAAAA... The article can report that he is wanted on charges on terrorism in Peru. However, neutrality disputes are probably inevitable if the article refers to Shining Path as a "terrorist" organization without attribution. Wikipedia editors can report what other states, organizations, institutions, etc. assert, but I'm not sure if it's the business of Wikipedia editors to make the judgment call themselves regarding whether or not Shining Path is a terrorist organization, given the fact that we lack a system of editorial arbitration. 172 05:56, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
That picture is just nasty, and probably not Abimael Guzman. Mebbe it can be changed? Mrfixter 01:57, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I agree two links to Guzman`s tesis. It´s important studies. These tesis are in UNSA (Arequipa´s public university).
Greetings, all. The image of the article's subject is ostensibly dated "1993." However, as all evidence in the media shows, Guzman was captured sporting a beard he subsequently never shaved. Yet the image is dated after his 1992 capture. What gives? - The Gnome ( talk) 10:07, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
most people know Guzmán as Chairman Gonzalo... would it be better to have the page titled 'Chairman Gonzalo'? Marxistnatalie ( talk) 10:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
most people know Guzmán as Chairman Gonzalo
The opening paragraphs of the article appear to give the impression of whitewashing Guzmán's actions. In comparison to other languages' respective Wikipedia pages, this article paints him with the dubious neutral title of "revolutionary" and then goes on to elaborate on his proclaimed ideology of "armed struggle stressing the empowerment of the Indigenous people". In comparison, the Spanish Wikipedia article, while also using similar language at times, does have a paragraph dedicated to his trial and the group's treatment of lower-class farmers, peasants, etc. Other Wikipedia projects' articles outright use the label terrorist.
I am most concerned at the language used here in the opening paragraphs and wholeheartedly believe it should be rewritten to at least mirror the Spanish Wikipedia's page. The rest of the article at least appears—at a first glance—to be more neutral in writing, although I see interesting (perhaps clever) placements of the citation needed templates in parts of a paragraph that describe the rural peasants' opposition to the group.
I'm not sure if for these cases a conflict of interest disclosure is needed, so I'll just note that I have indirectly been affected by the conflict at a scale that I believe to be considered irrelevant. 180app ( talk) 22:36, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
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I have protected the page to stop an edit war... Though this requires me to stay uninvolved in the dispute, I think that I'm still allowed to suggest a possible compromise between Shorne and AAAAA... The article can report that he is wanted on charges on terrorism in Peru. However, neutrality disputes are probably inevitable if the article refers to Shining Path as a "terrorist" organization without attribution. Wikipedia editors can report what other states, organizations, institutions, etc. assert, but I'm not sure if it's the business of Wikipedia editors to make the judgment call themselves regarding whether or not Shining Path is a terrorist organization, given the fact that we lack a system of editorial arbitration. 172 05:56, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
That picture is just nasty, and probably not Abimael Guzman. Mebbe it can be changed? Mrfixter 01:57, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I agree two links to Guzman`s tesis. It´s important studies. These tesis are in UNSA (Arequipa´s public university).
Greetings, all. The image of the article's subject is ostensibly dated "1993." However, as all evidence in the media shows, Guzman was captured sporting a beard he subsequently never shaved. Yet the image is dated after his 1992 capture. What gives? - The Gnome ( talk) 10:07, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
most people know Guzmán as Chairman Gonzalo... would it be better to have the page titled 'Chairman Gonzalo'? Marxistnatalie ( talk) 10:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
most people know Guzmán as Chairman Gonzalo
The opening paragraphs of the article appear to give the impression of whitewashing Guzmán's actions. In comparison to other languages' respective Wikipedia pages, this article paints him with the dubious neutral title of "revolutionary" and then goes on to elaborate on his proclaimed ideology of "armed struggle stressing the empowerment of the Indigenous people". In comparison, the Spanish Wikipedia article, while also using similar language at times, does have a paragraph dedicated to his trial and the group's treatment of lower-class farmers, peasants, etc. Other Wikipedia projects' articles outright use the label terrorist.
I am most concerned at the language used here in the opening paragraphs and wholeheartedly believe it should be rewritten to at least mirror the Spanish Wikipedia's page. The rest of the article at least appears—at a first glance—to be more neutral in writing, although I see interesting (perhaps clever) placements of the citation needed templates in parts of a paragraph that describe the rural peasants' opposition to the group.
I'm not sure if for these cases a conflict of interest disclosure is needed, so I'll just note that I have indirectly been affected by the conflict at a scale that I believe to be considered irrelevant. 180app ( talk) 22:36, 23 August 2023 (UTC)