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From the fifth paragraph, it's not clear whether Abdullah was shot at Al-Aqsa or the Dome of the Rock. I seem to think it was Al-Aqsa, but I'm not entirely sure - any ideas? -- DMG413 15:56, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
In the article : " Prince Hussein Ibn Talal was at his side and grappled with the assailant until he was shot himself"
Hussein did not grapple , he was staning next to his grandfather and he was shot too.
To answer the above question, in all the reading I did it says it was Al-Aqsa.
Duna Masri
You do know that they're both the same place? 193.108.134.34 19:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Duna MasriZ The Article does not mention where Abdullah I of Jordan was born. It might have been Arabia
The article currently mentions two names, "Usho" and "Ashu" I believe. They have different first names. Which one is proper? Scott Adler 09:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
In The Second World War, Winston Churchill remarks that Britain was "almost friendless" in the latter part of 1940. But in a nearby footnote he recalls that "King Abdullah of Transjordan remained our staunch ally." Cranston Lamont 22:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
In the best book of the arabic-jews war in 1948 called "O jerusalem", says that Abdullah had a good relationship with the jews people. Most of his friends were jews. But the pression and his dreams of having more territories drived him into the war. For more information read this book called "O jerusalem" that is very good
King Abdullah I was a good friend of the Zionists and he never encroached on the lands that the UN had given to Israel, King Abdullah I only was interested in trying to make the West Bank and East Jerusalem part of his pro-Western "Hashemite" Jordanian monarchy. King Abdullah I was especially close to the Israelis as they both greatly hated Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husseini of Palestine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Historylover4 ( talk • contribs) 00:45, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Was he married to all three of them at once, or did he divorce and re-marry twice? The article should probably say. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 21:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
I propose to split the section on assassination into a separate article Assassination of Abdullah I of Jordan, similar to the case of Assassination of Anwar Sadat article (in addition to article on Anwar Sadat). GreyShark ( dibra) 19:41, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
I corrected the name of the assassin, which appears to have an ending "u" vowel according to the works I consulted. Also the article omits mentioning that he was shot dead at the scene. Coretheapple ( talk) 16:10, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
Do any contemporary sources identify Mustafa Shukri Ashu as Palestinian? That label is an anachronism. 2A00:11C0:9:996:0:0:1:1 ( talk) 12:13, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
"New Enc. Britannica" p. 22: no access w/o subscription for most quoted source here. We need another source, otherwise editors cannot freely expand or otherwise work on the article. In Jordan-related articles there are apparently more inaccurate citations than elsewhere, either very vague or outright wrong; this article is much better, but accepting things on trust is not an option. Arminden ( talk) 14:30, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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After conquering the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, at the end of the war, King Abdullah tried to suppress any trace of a Palestinian Arab national identity. Abdullah annexed the conquered Palestinian territory and granted the Palestinian Arab residents in Jordan and Jordanian citizenship. In 1949, Abdullah entered secret peace talks with Israel, including at least five with Moshe Dayan, the Military Governor of West Jerusalem and other senior Israelis. News of the negotiations provoked a strong reaction from other Arab States and Abdullah agreed to discontinue the meetings in return for Arab acceptance of the West Bank's annexation into Jordan.
Problems: (1) The chronology is backwards; the annexation was in 1950 so after 1949. (2) The last sentence is rubbish as no Arab state except Iraq accepted the annexation. (3) "Palestinian Arab" is anachronistic. (4) Second sentence is ungrammatical. Zero talk 04:43, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
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Seeing a contemporary source is used ; it's best to cite more reputable newspapers than random ones that may not capture the image more comprehensively .
There is this Headline from the Washington Post , confirming the Lead of the Article that his assassin was motivated by Palestinian Arab separatism .
https://archive.org/details/per_washington-post_1951-07-21_27428/mode/2up?q=%22palestinian+arab%22
The relevant extractions are below :
"The assassin was identified as Mustapha Shukri Asho , 21 , a tailor in the Old City of Jersulem (....) Asho was said to be a member of the "Al Jihad Al Mokdas" organization , which demanded a separate Palestinian Arab state rather than its engrossment in the Jordanian kingdom (....) British sources reported the assassin was a known terrorist and former employee of Haj Amin el Husseini , former Grand Mufti of Jerusalem ."
This seems to be a better alternative source than the current newspaper , and reveals more about his organization (Muslim brotherhood ? ..the source never mentioned this "Al-Jihad" being an Islamist militia ; that's an arbitrary addendum from an editor).
Hope this proposal is taken into consideration by the editors. 188.55.91.234 ( talk) 23:31, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Abdullah's November 1947 essay in The American Magazine entitled "As the Arabs see the Jews" is quoted in a sidebar without comment. This lends Wikipedia's voice to the essay, which is inappropriate.
Part of the quote is "With very minor exceptions, Jews have lived for many centuries in the Middle East, in complete peace and friendliness with their Arab neighbours." The phrase "very minor exceptions" is doing enormous lifting here. The Ottoman Empire was, in modern parlance, an apartheid state. Separate courts enforced separate laws on Muslims and non-Muslims, the later of which could not testify against a Muslim.
Wikipedia's own article on the History of the Jews under Muslim rule says "Though second-class citizens and often persecuted, these non-Muslim groups were nevertheless accorded certain rights and protections as "people of the book." Can people be "often persecuted" while living in "complete peace and friendliness"?
Many scholars have made the argument that Jews were better off in the Middle East than in Europe, as well as Christians better off in the Middle East than Muslims were in Europe. This is a valid argument, but is not the one Abdullah is making. His main idea is that the West should take in the Jewish refugees from Europe, not Palestine. The part that is quoted in this Wikipedia article is a side point he makes to say that he isn't anti-Jewish, he's anti-immigration.
So the quote is historically inaccurate, adjacent to his thesis, and not connected to anything in the article. It should be removed. ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen ( talk) 11:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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From the fifth paragraph, it's not clear whether Abdullah was shot at Al-Aqsa or the Dome of the Rock. I seem to think it was Al-Aqsa, but I'm not entirely sure - any ideas? -- DMG413 15:56, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
In the article : " Prince Hussein Ibn Talal was at his side and grappled with the assailant until he was shot himself"
Hussein did not grapple , he was staning next to his grandfather and he was shot too.
To answer the above question, in all the reading I did it says it was Al-Aqsa.
Duna Masri
You do know that they're both the same place? 193.108.134.34 19:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Duna MasriZ The Article does not mention where Abdullah I of Jordan was born. It might have been Arabia
The article currently mentions two names, "Usho" and "Ashu" I believe. They have different first names. Which one is proper? Scott Adler 09:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
In The Second World War, Winston Churchill remarks that Britain was "almost friendless" in the latter part of 1940. But in a nearby footnote he recalls that "King Abdullah of Transjordan remained our staunch ally." Cranston Lamont 22:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
In the best book of the arabic-jews war in 1948 called "O jerusalem", says that Abdullah had a good relationship with the jews people. Most of his friends were jews. But the pression and his dreams of having more territories drived him into the war. For more information read this book called "O jerusalem" that is very good
King Abdullah I was a good friend of the Zionists and he never encroached on the lands that the UN had given to Israel, King Abdullah I only was interested in trying to make the West Bank and East Jerusalem part of his pro-Western "Hashemite" Jordanian monarchy. King Abdullah I was especially close to the Israelis as they both greatly hated Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husseini of Palestine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Historylover4 ( talk • contribs) 00:45, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Was he married to all three of them at once, or did he divorce and re-marry twice? The article should probably say. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 21:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
I propose to split the section on assassination into a separate article Assassination of Abdullah I of Jordan, similar to the case of Assassination of Anwar Sadat article (in addition to article on Anwar Sadat). GreyShark ( dibra) 19:41, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
I corrected the name of the assassin, which appears to have an ending "u" vowel according to the works I consulted. Also the article omits mentioning that he was shot dead at the scene. Coretheapple ( talk) 16:10, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
Do any contemporary sources identify Mustafa Shukri Ashu as Palestinian? That label is an anachronism. 2A00:11C0:9:996:0:0:1:1 ( talk) 12:13, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
"New Enc. Britannica" p. 22: no access w/o subscription for most quoted source here. We need another source, otherwise editors cannot freely expand or otherwise work on the article. In Jordan-related articles there are apparently more inaccurate citations than elsewhere, either very vague or outright wrong; this article is much better, but accepting things on trust is not an option. Arminden ( talk) 14:30, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
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After conquering the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, at the end of the war, King Abdullah tried to suppress any trace of a Palestinian Arab national identity. Abdullah annexed the conquered Palestinian territory and granted the Palestinian Arab residents in Jordan and Jordanian citizenship. In 1949, Abdullah entered secret peace talks with Israel, including at least five with Moshe Dayan, the Military Governor of West Jerusalem and other senior Israelis. News of the negotiations provoked a strong reaction from other Arab States and Abdullah agreed to discontinue the meetings in return for Arab acceptance of the West Bank's annexation into Jordan.
Problems: (1) The chronology is backwards; the annexation was in 1950 so after 1949. (2) The last sentence is rubbish as no Arab state except Iraq accepted the annexation. (3) "Palestinian Arab" is anachronistic. (4) Second sentence is ungrammatical. Zero talk 04:43, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 18:52, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Seeing a contemporary source is used ; it's best to cite more reputable newspapers than random ones that may not capture the image more comprehensively .
There is this Headline from the Washington Post , confirming the Lead of the Article that his assassin was motivated by Palestinian Arab separatism .
https://archive.org/details/per_washington-post_1951-07-21_27428/mode/2up?q=%22palestinian+arab%22
The relevant extractions are below :
"The assassin was identified as Mustapha Shukri Asho , 21 , a tailor in the Old City of Jersulem (....) Asho was said to be a member of the "Al Jihad Al Mokdas" organization , which demanded a separate Palestinian Arab state rather than its engrossment in the Jordanian kingdom (....) British sources reported the assassin was a known terrorist and former employee of Haj Amin el Husseini , former Grand Mufti of Jerusalem ."
This seems to be a better alternative source than the current newspaper , and reveals more about his organization (Muslim brotherhood ? ..the source never mentioned this "Al-Jihad" being an Islamist militia ; that's an arbitrary addendum from an editor).
Hope this proposal is taken into consideration by the editors. 188.55.91.234 ( talk) 23:31, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Abdullah's November 1947 essay in The American Magazine entitled "As the Arabs see the Jews" is quoted in a sidebar without comment. This lends Wikipedia's voice to the essay, which is inappropriate.
Part of the quote is "With very minor exceptions, Jews have lived for many centuries in the Middle East, in complete peace and friendliness with their Arab neighbours." The phrase "very minor exceptions" is doing enormous lifting here. The Ottoman Empire was, in modern parlance, an apartheid state. Separate courts enforced separate laws on Muslims and non-Muslims, the later of which could not testify against a Muslim.
Wikipedia's own article on the History of the Jews under Muslim rule says "Though second-class citizens and often persecuted, these non-Muslim groups were nevertheless accorded certain rights and protections as "people of the book." Can people be "often persecuted" while living in "complete peace and friendliness"?
Many scholars have made the argument that Jews were better off in the Middle East than in Europe, as well as Christians better off in the Middle East than Muslims were in Europe. This is a valid argument, but is not the one Abdullah is making. His main idea is that the West should take in the Jewish refugees from Europe, not Palestine. The part that is quoted in this Wikipedia article is a side point he makes to say that he isn't anti-Jewish, he's anti-immigration.
So the quote is historically inaccurate, adjacent to his thesis, and not connected to anything in the article. It should be removed. ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen ( talk) 11:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)