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I edited a reference to Futa Djallon in the first paragraph to be Fouta Djallon to match 1. the linked article, and 2. a later reference in this article. I don't know which spelling is correct, but it is confusing to use two spellings in the same article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGGenuine ( talk • contribs) 14:59, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
The title does not match the name of the subject. Moving. -- ℜob C. alias ALAROB 16:04, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
"Delay that order." I cannot get an authoritative source that even discusses the name problem. There are at least four different forms, excluding obvious errors. -- ℜob C. alias ALAROB 16:09, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
I am unsure how to edit article; but, can address questions about the end of this Life section. Foster’s Field is the name given to Thomas Foster’s Pine Ridge (outside of current day Natchez) plantation. A written online source that might be used to support this is https://www.whyislam.org/muslim-heritage/prince-among-slaves/
MMaxG ( talk) 12:01, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
I have requested the page be protected due to the high level of IP vandalism and OR happening. -- Kbabej ( talk) 20:07, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
The Legacy section should remain. Adds additional information of Prince Sori's journey from Prince, to being enslaved, to being free and what happened to his children and their decendents left behind.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:f:d18::b ( talk)
It is interesting that a few editors disagree if Gaye and Chatman are to be mentioned as Decendents of Prince Sori. What is the intended purpose of the article if not to bring awareness of Prince Sori's journey? Why put blocks and protection on the page if his decendents want to continue the legacy. African American History is lacking such tangible figures in America's history. I request to allow the Legacy section to remain.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:f:d18::b ( talk)
I have now gone through and justified as individual edits every single difference between the current version of the article and the version from a few years ago that the IP editor repeatedly has been reverting to, explaining each change with a detailed edit summary. Having done this work, and with many of the changes being technical and grammatical, if there are any of these individual edits that one would like to contest, they should likewise be individually addressed. A blanket revert would amount to straight-out disruptive editing. Agricolae ( talk) 20:16, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
The name of this page is problematic. I can find no mention of it prior to the creation of this Wikipedia page, though it has since spread through the internet echo chamber to be repeated in numerous sources and into print. It is not a name he used for himself. He signs in Arabic simply as Abd al Rahman, and contemporary transcriptions of his signature such as 'Abdul Arahama' reflect the same practice. We also know that his name incorporated that of his father, as he appears as "Prince Ibrahim/Ibrahima' in contemporary writings. While disambiguation is necessary, the form taken here is neither natural Arabic nor African naming, in particular, the placement of the 'ibn'. He was Abd al Rahman, son of Ibrahim Sori, where Sori was a nickname coined for his father, not a family name. As such, in Arabic practice, he would have been 'Abd al Rahman ibn Ibrahim' or 'Abd al Rahman ibn Ibrahim Sori', but not 'Abd al Rahman Ibrahim ibn Sori'. In Sub-Saharan African practice, the 'ibn' was usually omitted, making him 'Abd al Rahman Ibrahim' or 'Abd al Rahman Ibrahim Sori'. Add to that the fact that they tended to represent classical Arabic names differently - his father is usually called Ibrahima rather than Ibrahim, while there are any number of ways of representing Abd al Rahman - and there is a wide range of ways we could correctly represent and disambiguate the name, none of them being the way we do in the namespace (which is immediately contradicted in the body, where he is called 'Abdul-Rahman ibn Ibrahim Sori'). In one sense, in spite of arising from an error on Wikipedia, this has become the way people refer to him, so do we just let sleeping dogs lie and accept that Wikipedia has irreparably contaminated the discourse on this, or should fix this here, however belatedly, in the face of actual scholarly sources now using the flawed name we originally concocted? Agricolae ( talk) 16:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
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I edited a reference to Futa Djallon in the first paragraph to be Fouta Djallon to match 1. the linked article, and 2. a later reference in this article. I don't know which spelling is correct, but it is confusing to use two spellings in the same article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGGenuine ( talk • contribs) 14:59, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
The title does not match the name of the subject. Moving. -- ℜob C. alias ALAROB 16:04, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
"Delay that order." I cannot get an authoritative source that even discusses the name problem. There are at least four different forms, excluding obvious errors. -- ℜob C. alias ALAROB 16:09, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
I am unsure how to edit article; but, can address questions about the end of this Life section. Foster’s Field is the name given to Thomas Foster’s Pine Ridge (outside of current day Natchez) plantation. A written online source that might be used to support this is https://www.whyislam.org/muslim-heritage/prince-among-slaves/
MMaxG ( talk) 12:01, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
I have requested the page be protected due to the high level of IP vandalism and OR happening. -- Kbabej ( talk) 20:07, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
The Legacy section should remain. Adds additional information of Prince Sori's journey from Prince, to being enslaved, to being free and what happened to his children and their decendents left behind.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:f:d18::b ( talk)
It is interesting that a few editors disagree if Gaye and Chatman are to be mentioned as Decendents of Prince Sori. What is the intended purpose of the article if not to bring awareness of Prince Sori's journey? Why put blocks and protection on the page if his decendents want to continue the legacy. African American History is lacking such tangible figures in America's history. I request to allow the Legacy section to remain.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:f:d18::b ( talk)
I have now gone through and justified as individual edits every single difference between the current version of the article and the version from a few years ago that the IP editor repeatedly has been reverting to, explaining each change with a detailed edit summary. Having done this work, and with many of the changes being technical and grammatical, if there are any of these individual edits that one would like to contest, they should likewise be individually addressed. A blanket revert would amount to straight-out disruptive editing. Agricolae ( talk) 20:16, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
The name of this page is problematic. I can find no mention of it prior to the creation of this Wikipedia page, though it has since spread through the internet echo chamber to be repeated in numerous sources and into print. It is not a name he used for himself. He signs in Arabic simply as Abd al Rahman, and contemporary transcriptions of his signature such as 'Abdul Arahama' reflect the same practice. We also know that his name incorporated that of his father, as he appears as "Prince Ibrahim/Ibrahima' in contemporary writings. While disambiguation is necessary, the form taken here is neither natural Arabic nor African naming, in particular, the placement of the 'ibn'. He was Abd al Rahman, son of Ibrahim Sori, where Sori was a nickname coined for his father, not a family name. As such, in Arabic practice, he would have been 'Abd al Rahman ibn Ibrahim' or 'Abd al Rahman ibn Ibrahim Sori', but not 'Abd al Rahman Ibrahim ibn Sori'. In Sub-Saharan African practice, the 'ibn' was usually omitted, making him 'Abd al Rahman Ibrahim' or 'Abd al Rahman Ibrahim Sori'. Add to that the fact that they tended to represent classical Arabic names differently - his father is usually called Ibrahima rather than Ibrahim, while there are any number of ways of representing Abd al Rahman - and there is a wide range of ways we could correctly represent and disambiguate the name, none of them being the way we do in the namespace (which is immediately contradicted in the body, where he is called 'Abdul-Rahman ibn Ibrahim Sori'). In one sense, in spite of arising from an error on Wikipedia, this has become the way people refer to him, so do we just let sleeping dogs lie and accept that Wikipedia has irreparably contaminated the discourse on this, or should fix this here, however belatedly, in the face of actual scholarly sources now using the flawed name we originally concocted? Agricolae ( talk) 16:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)