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Did you know... that Aaron Nola was the first
Philadelphia Phillies pitcher since 1989 to make his major league debut the year after he was drafted?
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A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with
the layout style guideline:
Mostly fine here. Could you link
MLB.com and
Bleacher Report on first reference? Also, please add Rivals.com as the publisher in ref[9]. Could you add a publisher for ref[24] (I believe MLB Advanced Media is still technically the publisher for all MLB.com and MILB.com stuff, though if you go with Major League Baseball as you did throughout the rest of the article, that's fine too, I think.) Could you add a location for The Express-Times (ref[29]) and The News Journal (ref[36])?
Probably worth noting that the Philly Inquirer, Morning Call, The Advocate, and The Athletic are, to some degree or another, behind paywalls that may limit reader access. (Side note: Do you subscribe to The Athletic and, if so, are you a happy customer? I've been thinking about it and haven't quite pulled the trigger ...)
Done all of the above (I use a script to bypass most paywalls, so I tend to miss some of these). As for the Athletic, I tried it out on their $1 for 6 months student plan and I'm impressed with their longform reporting. I'm actually hoping to get a job there once a spot opens up for hockey and/or baseball writers. Kncny11(shoot)18:32, 29 March 2021 (UTC)reply
A few spots to consider that strike me as a bit on the overly detailed side include: SEC co-pitcher of the week (at least in as much detail as is there now) and a few of the historical comparisons in 2017-2018 seem to border on trivia (e.g., starts with four or fewer hits) ... also, are these all records within one's first 78 starts? If so, that's a little unclear ...
Any reason not to throw in this one somewhere? Maybe the pitcher profile section?
File:Aaron Nola (47690831282) (cropped).jpg ... Also, I don't believe it's a requirement at the GA level, but adding alt text is probably advisable if possible.
Not going to formally put this on hold unless you want me too. Let me know what you think of comments on the substantive review, and I'll give it a final look whenever you're ready. No concerns that this won't meet the mark soon. GoPhightins!23:41, 29 March 2021 (UTC)reply
General Comments/Prose Review
Lead
Maybe just call it his "high school career" in the lead since it's a little ambiguous whether you are referring to a particular Catholic high school when it's used as an adjective like that?
Can you mention something about him being the team's ace and/or his pitching style? It seems a little odd for it to fall off after 2018.
Can you clarify that the "strange gyrations" were him mimicking/perfecting his pitching motion? I was a little confused by the current construction until I consulted the source.
The first two sentences of the second paragraph have a lot of passive voice. Maybe consider something like ... "His father coached many of his earliest little league teams until he began playing at [Catholic High School ...]" and maybe flip around the second sentence to be that his freshman season was hampered by stress fractures, which doctors attributed to him growing six inches?
I assume Mr. Baseball is for the top baseball player in the state?
Second sentence is ambiguous ... presumably you mean Aaron chose not to sign; did Austin? Seems like those sentences need a bit of expansion for context.
"quickly changed course" --> "bounced back" or "rebounded" or something like that.
He quickly changed course, and posted five shutout innings, a turnaround that struck LSU head coach Paul Mainieri and pitching coach Alan Dunn. Check this sentence. A fragment at the moment.
Can you clarify the significance in college baseball of being a weekend starter? I think that's like the ace, right? Some context for the quote from the coach would be good.
Apparently this is a phenomenon so accepted that it's almost impossible to find a definition. I found a paper from 2002 about another player that suggested that a "weekend starter" is important because it means you'll be playing in conference games, which makes sense. Kncny11(shoot)22:30, 30 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Nola finished his freshman season in 2012 with a 7–4 record and 3.61 earned run average (ERA) in 89 2⁄3 innings, as well as seven walks and 89 strikeouts to Nola finished his freshman season in 2012 with a 7–4 record and a 3.61 earned run average (ERA) in 89 2⁄3 innings, as well as with seven
walks and 89 strikeouts.
In the third paragraph, it should be 0.82, not 0.082 for the WHIP per Baseball-Reference.
He signed with the team on June 10, 2014, a deal which included a $3.3 million signing bonus, and was assigned to the Phillies' Class A-Advanced minor league affiliate, the Clearwater Threshers. Kind of a misplaced modifier in the middle there ... maybe rephrase as he signed with the team for a $3.3 million signing bonus on June 10, 2014 and was assigned to ...?
Done 22:30, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Philadelphia Phillies
2015-16
The decision was made to preserve the pitcher's health, with the Phillies agreeing back in July to shut him down around 185 innings. This seems like a bit of extraneous detail at least when structured as two clauses. Maybe just "The Phillies had long planned to shut him down after he pitched about 185 innings to preserve his health" or similar.
I think that it's more descriptive to call it the "opening day roster" than the "25-man roster" ... or maybe add "25-man roster to open the season" or the like.
No comma needed in the last sentence of the second paragraph.
I mentioned this before, but I'm not sure I understand the significance of his various records in 78 starts. What's special about 78 starts? Seems kinda random and almost like trivia to me ... can we at least condense those few sentences a bit?
I don't mean to be pedantic, but again in this sentence: He threw a 12–7 record for the season, pitching to a 3.87 ERA and 229 strikeouts in 34 starts and 2012 1⁄3 innings. He "posted" a 12-7 record or he "recorded" or "earned" or something other than "threw" ...
As a general note, as his career goes on and if sights are ever set on FA, this is a very stat-laden article, so that is going to need to be pared back. I don't think it prevents the article from meeting any of the GA criteria, but it's a little specific for a general audience.
Pitching style
saying, "I've always wanted to throw one but never took it into a game" Period here can/should go inside the quotation mark per the original quote, I think.
I would mention that he's a top-of-the-rotation starter and maybe sprinkle in where he ranks relative to other aces in the MLB. For example, I saw an MLB.com article the other day that had him as like the 10th or 11th best opening day starter for 2021? Generally, just some context that he's a force would be helpful here, I think.
Go Phightins! I believe everything has been addressed. Some sections were rewritten and I cut the trivia. As for the stats, I know other sports editors who are big on including as many as possible. FA is probably something for after his retirement... Kncny11(shoot)22:39, 30 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Excellent! I just made a few tweaks, but I think we're good to go here. As for FA status, I agree, it's best to wait until, at minimum, the late stages of his career. The only current player FAs I know of in WP:BASEBALL history have been
Derek Jeter, which Muboshgu spearheaded after Jeter had been with the Yankees for at least 15 years, and
Jim Thome, which I did when Thome has 1-2 years left. I just wanted to mention it as FA tends to prize summary style, and sometimes year-to-year stats can be a little dense and specific. Anyway, great work on this, and happy to have it listed as a GA in time for tomorrow's Opening Day! GoPhightins!10:45, 31 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Did you know nomination
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The article became a GA on time and has no copyright violations. A QPQ has been completed. Either hook can be used and the image is fine.
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23:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)reply
A fact from Aaron Nola appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 May 2021 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that Aaron Nola was the first
Philadelphia Phillies pitcher since 1989 to make his major league debut the year after he was drafted?
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or
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A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with
the layout style guideline:
Mostly fine here. Could you link
MLB.com and
Bleacher Report on first reference? Also, please add Rivals.com as the publisher in ref[9]. Could you add a publisher for ref[24] (I believe MLB Advanced Media is still technically the publisher for all MLB.com and MILB.com stuff, though if you go with Major League Baseball as you did throughout the rest of the article, that's fine too, I think.) Could you add a location for The Express-Times (ref[29]) and The News Journal (ref[36])?
Probably worth noting that the Philly Inquirer, Morning Call, The Advocate, and The Athletic are, to some degree or another, behind paywalls that may limit reader access. (Side note: Do you subscribe to The Athletic and, if so, are you a happy customer? I've been thinking about it and haven't quite pulled the trigger ...)
Done all of the above (I use a script to bypass most paywalls, so I tend to miss some of these). As for the Athletic, I tried it out on their $1 for 6 months student plan and I'm impressed with their longform reporting. I'm actually hoping to get a job there once a spot opens up for hockey and/or baseball writers. Kncny11(shoot)18:32, 29 March 2021 (UTC)reply
A few spots to consider that strike me as a bit on the overly detailed side include: SEC co-pitcher of the week (at least in as much detail as is there now) and a few of the historical comparisons in 2017-2018 seem to border on trivia (e.g., starts with four or fewer hits) ... also, are these all records within one's first 78 starts? If so, that's a little unclear ...
Any reason not to throw in this one somewhere? Maybe the pitcher profile section?
File:Aaron Nola (47690831282) (cropped).jpg ... Also, I don't believe it's a requirement at the GA level, but adding alt text is probably advisable if possible.
Not going to formally put this on hold unless you want me too. Let me know what you think of comments on the substantive review, and I'll give it a final look whenever you're ready. No concerns that this won't meet the mark soon. GoPhightins!23:41, 29 March 2021 (UTC)reply
General Comments/Prose Review
Lead
Maybe just call it his "high school career" in the lead since it's a little ambiguous whether you are referring to a particular Catholic high school when it's used as an adjective like that?
Can you mention something about him being the team's ace and/or his pitching style? It seems a little odd for it to fall off after 2018.
Can you clarify that the "strange gyrations" were him mimicking/perfecting his pitching motion? I was a little confused by the current construction until I consulted the source.
The first two sentences of the second paragraph have a lot of passive voice. Maybe consider something like ... "His father coached many of his earliest little league teams until he began playing at [Catholic High School ...]" and maybe flip around the second sentence to be that his freshman season was hampered by stress fractures, which doctors attributed to him growing six inches?
I assume Mr. Baseball is for the top baseball player in the state?
Second sentence is ambiguous ... presumably you mean Aaron chose not to sign; did Austin? Seems like those sentences need a bit of expansion for context.
"quickly changed course" --> "bounced back" or "rebounded" or something like that.
He quickly changed course, and posted five shutout innings, a turnaround that struck LSU head coach Paul Mainieri and pitching coach Alan Dunn. Check this sentence. A fragment at the moment.
Can you clarify the significance in college baseball of being a weekend starter? I think that's like the ace, right? Some context for the quote from the coach would be good.
Apparently this is a phenomenon so accepted that it's almost impossible to find a definition. I found a paper from 2002 about another player that suggested that a "weekend starter" is important because it means you'll be playing in conference games, which makes sense. Kncny11(shoot)22:30, 30 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Nola finished his freshman season in 2012 with a 7–4 record and 3.61 earned run average (ERA) in 89 2⁄3 innings, as well as seven walks and 89 strikeouts to Nola finished his freshman season in 2012 with a 7–4 record and a 3.61 earned run average (ERA) in 89 2⁄3 innings, as well as with seven
walks and 89 strikeouts.
In the third paragraph, it should be 0.82, not 0.082 for the WHIP per Baseball-Reference.
He signed with the team on June 10, 2014, a deal which included a $3.3 million signing bonus, and was assigned to the Phillies' Class A-Advanced minor league affiliate, the Clearwater Threshers. Kind of a misplaced modifier in the middle there ... maybe rephrase as he signed with the team for a $3.3 million signing bonus on June 10, 2014 and was assigned to ...?
Done 22:30, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Philadelphia Phillies
2015-16
The decision was made to preserve the pitcher's health, with the Phillies agreeing back in July to shut him down around 185 innings. This seems like a bit of extraneous detail at least when structured as two clauses. Maybe just "The Phillies had long planned to shut him down after he pitched about 185 innings to preserve his health" or similar.
I think that it's more descriptive to call it the "opening day roster" than the "25-man roster" ... or maybe add "25-man roster to open the season" or the like.
No comma needed in the last sentence of the second paragraph.
I mentioned this before, but I'm not sure I understand the significance of his various records in 78 starts. What's special about 78 starts? Seems kinda random and almost like trivia to me ... can we at least condense those few sentences a bit?
I don't mean to be pedantic, but again in this sentence: He threw a 12–7 record for the season, pitching to a 3.87 ERA and 229 strikeouts in 34 starts and 2012 1⁄3 innings. He "posted" a 12-7 record or he "recorded" or "earned" or something other than "threw" ...
As a general note, as his career goes on and if sights are ever set on FA, this is a very stat-laden article, so that is going to need to be pared back. I don't think it prevents the article from meeting any of the GA criteria, but it's a little specific for a general audience.
Pitching style
saying, "I've always wanted to throw one but never took it into a game" Period here can/should go inside the quotation mark per the original quote, I think.
I would mention that he's a top-of-the-rotation starter and maybe sprinkle in where he ranks relative to other aces in the MLB. For example, I saw an MLB.com article the other day that had him as like the 10th or 11th best opening day starter for 2021? Generally, just some context that he's a force would be helpful here, I think.
Go Phightins! I believe everything has been addressed. Some sections were rewritten and I cut the trivia. As for the stats, I know other sports editors who are big on including as many as possible. FA is probably something for after his retirement... Kncny11(shoot)22:39, 30 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Excellent! I just made a few tweaks, but I think we're good to go here. As for FA status, I agree, it's best to wait until, at minimum, the late stages of his career. The only current player FAs I know of in WP:BASEBALL history have been
Derek Jeter, which Muboshgu spearheaded after Jeter had been with the Yankees for at least 15 years, and
Jim Thome, which I did when Thome has 1-2 years left. I just wanted to mention it as FA tends to prize summary style, and sometimes year-to-year stats can be a little dense and specific. Anyway, great work on this, and happy to have it listed as a GA in time for tomorrow's Opening Day! GoPhightins!10:45, 31 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Did you know nomination
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article became a GA on time and has no copyright violations. A QPQ has been completed. Either hook can be used and the image is fine.
SL93 (
talk)
23:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)reply