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LOL, is this really the language to use in an encyclopaedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.110.64 ( talk) 02:06, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
"..Antonietta, a native and sentimental homemaker" - this is very odd English. Was "naive" the intended word? Although there can, perhaps, be little naive about a woman who has borne six children and whose husband knocks her about. Harfarhs ( talk) 21:13, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
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Dear Ribbet32 I noticed that you have made several edits to this page. Some that have drastically changed the tone and intent of the film and its characters, not to mention grammar and description. Although I trust these were done in WP:GF, I am bringing my concerns to the talk page for specific reasons so that you are not surprised by reverts administered toward your edits and additions. Please understand this is nothing personal, but in keeping with WP standards and quality regarding article format. I will try and be as concise as possible in each revert summary; however, if you have certain questions: please feel free to bring them here to the talk page for discussion. Thanks. Maineartists ( talk) 04:05, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
As discussed in the above section, here are the reversions in process for implementation. It is clear by the edit history that the initial edits were carried out in an "edit-as-you-go" fashion; rather than a sandbox draft that would allow research and proofing. Due to this application, there have been errors and challenged inclusions not supported with reliable sources that seem needless in certain cases. Beside each RV, the challenged reason is given for discussion and consensus before allowance of reinsertion. Normally I would "ping" the original editor, but I have been advised against doing so.
These are the edits that are scheduled for reversion back to their original content; or combined inclusion as stated above. A grace period for discussion will be allowed before RVs. Thanks. Maineartists ( talk) 13:55, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
A third opinion is requested in response to this dispute, otherwise a time sink. User:Maineartists has literally indicated a refusal to listen to any dissenting arguments or reasons from me, "I'm not going to argue with you on personal opinions", so I will address this to the reviewer. Maineartists has come in with a very condescending attitude, starting off with the header "Good faith edits", as if to indicate the edits would appear to be vandalism and good faith has to be assumed. As you can see from the previous version, the article needed much development, as far as film articles go; we see no production, no release, no themes or analysis, no critical reception, and only nine references, as well as an unreferenced "Special scenes" section, something that doesn't quite match the format of film FAs ( American Beauty (1999 film), Hotel Chevalier, Blade Runner). Much of the arrogance has been unbecoming, including picking at "incorrect" grammar and spelling (actually a national variance) rather than editing, and threatening to act unilaterally no matter what "I will however revert what I find to be unsubstantiated inclusions and unreliably sourced edits and you can bring them here for consensus." This approach hampers collaboration and is not constructive. However, I will confine this to content dispute.
If the goal of all this was to humiliate me for boldly researching and expanding the article, it fell well short of that; copyedits are always welcome and are part of Wikipedia's natural and necessary development, though with threats to revert everything I've done, I am a little concerned about the editor's non-constructive attitude. Ribbet32 ( talk) 22:59, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
3O Response: It seems to me that these edits made a significant improvement to the article. In particular, the
Themes section is comprehensively referenced, and states the opinions of reliable sources, not the editor's opinions. It more than justifies the statement in the lead that the film deals with fascism and LGBT rights (being dismissed from your job and deported for being homosexual is certainly a matter of LGBT rights). The plot synopsis has been improved by the addition of relevant details such as the myna and the attempted suicide, and to me at least, the additions have not "drastically changed the tone and intent of the film and its characters". I can't see any justification for saying that things like "dances the rumba" need to be sourced when nothing else in the synopsis is sourced. As regards other criticisms, "Themes addressed include fascism and LGBT rights in Italy" is not a fractured or incomplete sentence; it has a subject – "themes addressed", a verb – "include", and an object – "fascism and LGBT rights". And "indicating he was not homosexual" and "stating he was not homosexual" mean essentially the same thing. The article is still not perfect, and there is nothing to stop anybody from making further edits, but any large-scale reversion would not be justified.
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Thanks. Maineartists ( talk) 19:29, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
Ribbet32 Sorry to "ping" you; but in light of your on-going 3rd Opinion listed below regarding the LGBT challenge within the lede, I thought I would simply address the other few edits I thought you and I could discuss before reversion (or not). I saw that you were/are open to friendly suggestion since you did indeed change the verbiage regarding the sentence: "Themes addressed in the film ..." -- "perceived" -- "overworked/exhausted" and also the change on your own talk page: "with significant edits". It's never easy when an editor simply comes in and blankly states: I'm going to revert -- but you seem to be willing; so I hope we can come to an agreement rather than draw this out. For the record: there was never an intent to humiliate you in any way. Just so we're clear. I hope you know that.
Thanks for taking a moment to breath and work with me here. I appreciate it. No need for corners -- we're in this together. Thanks. Maineartists ( talk) 21:47, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
Scolaire Thanks for pointing out that my inclusion in the lede regarding "type-casting" was not actually in the film. Taking your lead, I have moved the reasoning found within the Themes section to Production -- which is where it belongs within the article. Thanks again. Maineartists ( talk) 14:38, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
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LOL, is this really the language to use in an encyclopaedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.110.64 ( talk) 02:06, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
"..Antonietta, a native and sentimental homemaker" - this is very odd English. Was "naive" the intended word? Although there can, perhaps, be little naive about a woman who has borne six children and whose husband knocks her about. Harfarhs ( talk) 21:13, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
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Dear Ribbet32 I noticed that you have made several edits to this page. Some that have drastically changed the tone and intent of the film and its characters, not to mention grammar and description. Although I trust these were done in WP:GF, I am bringing my concerns to the talk page for specific reasons so that you are not surprised by reverts administered toward your edits and additions. Please understand this is nothing personal, but in keeping with WP standards and quality regarding article format. I will try and be as concise as possible in each revert summary; however, if you have certain questions: please feel free to bring them here to the talk page for discussion. Thanks. Maineartists ( talk) 04:05, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
As discussed in the above section, here are the reversions in process for implementation. It is clear by the edit history that the initial edits were carried out in an "edit-as-you-go" fashion; rather than a sandbox draft that would allow research and proofing. Due to this application, there have been errors and challenged inclusions not supported with reliable sources that seem needless in certain cases. Beside each RV, the challenged reason is given for discussion and consensus before allowance of reinsertion. Normally I would "ping" the original editor, but I have been advised against doing so.
These are the edits that are scheduled for reversion back to their original content; or combined inclusion as stated above. A grace period for discussion will be allowed before RVs. Thanks. Maineartists ( talk) 13:55, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
A third opinion is requested in response to this dispute, otherwise a time sink. User:Maineartists has literally indicated a refusal to listen to any dissenting arguments or reasons from me, "I'm not going to argue with you on personal opinions", so I will address this to the reviewer. Maineartists has come in with a very condescending attitude, starting off with the header "Good faith edits", as if to indicate the edits would appear to be vandalism and good faith has to be assumed. As you can see from the previous version, the article needed much development, as far as film articles go; we see no production, no release, no themes or analysis, no critical reception, and only nine references, as well as an unreferenced "Special scenes" section, something that doesn't quite match the format of film FAs ( American Beauty (1999 film), Hotel Chevalier, Blade Runner). Much of the arrogance has been unbecoming, including picking at "incorrect" grammar and spelling (actually a national variance) rather than editing, and threatening to act unilaterally no matter what "I will however revert what I find to be unsubstantiated inclusions and unreliably sourced edits and you can bring them here for consensus." This approach hampers collaboration and is not constructive. However, I will confine this to content dispute.
If the goal of all this was to humiliate me for boldly researching and expanding the article, it fell well short of that; copyedits are always welcome and are part of Wikipedia's natural and necessary development, though with threats to revert everything I've done, I am a little concerned about the editor's non-constructive attitude. Ribbet32 ( talk) 22:59, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
3O Response: It seems to me that these edits made a significant improvement to the article. In particular, the
Themes section is comprehensively referenced, and states the opinions of reliable sources, not the editor's opinions. It more than justifies the statement in the lead that the film deals with fascism and LGBT rights (being dismissed from your job and deported for being homosexual is certainly a matter of LGBT rights). The plot synopsis has been improved by the addition of relevant details such as the myna and the attempted suicide, and to me at least, the additions have not "drastically changed the tone and intent of the film and its characters". I can't see any justification for saying that things like "dances the rumba" need to be sourced when nothing else in the synopsis is sourced. As regards other criticisms, "Themes addressed include fascism and LGBT rights in Italy" is not a fractured or incomplete sentence; it has a subject – "themes addressed", a verb – "include", and an object – "fascism and LGBT rights". And "indicating he was not homosexual" and "stating he was not homosexual" mean essentially the same thing. The article is still not perfect, and there is nothing to stop anybody from making further edits, but any large-scale reversion would not be justified.
Scolaire (
talk)
12:34, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Maineartists ( talk) 19:29, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
Ribbet32 Sorry to "ping" you; but in light of your on-going 3rd Opinion listed below regarding the LGBT challenge within the lede, I thought I would simply address the other few edits I thought you and I could discuss before reversion (or not). I saw that you were/are open to friendly suggestion since you did indeed change the verbiage regarding the sentence: "Themes addressed in the film ..." -- "perceived" -- "overworked/exhausted" and also the change on your own talk page: "with significant edits". It's never easy when an editor simply comes in and blankly states: I'm going to revert -- but you seem to be willing; so I hope we can come to an agreement rather than draw this out. For the record: there was never an intent to humiliate you in any way. Just so we're clear. I hope you know that.
Thanks for taking a moment to breath and work with me here. I appreciate it. No need for corners -- we're in this together. Thanks. Maineartists ( talk) 21:47, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
Scolaire Thanks for pointing out that my inclusion in the lede regarding "type-casting" was not actually in the film. Taking your lead, I have moved the reasoning found within the Themes section to Production -- which is where it belongs within the article. Thanks again. Maineartists ( talk) 14:38, 19 February 2017 (UTC)