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The result of the move request was: moved to
AVATAR MUD. There were two titles that attracted significant support in this discussion: AVATAR MUD and AVATAR (video game). (Discussion of capitalization seems to have converged to a rough consensus that the term AVATAR is an acronym and should remain capitalized.) Of the two titles, AVATAR MUD attracted a slightly stronger base of arguments around it: supporters of "AVATAR (video game)" argued that (video game) was the correct disambiguator per
WP:NCVGDAB, but supporters of "AVATAR MUD" identified the title as
WP:NATURAL disambiguation that obviated the need for a parenthetical DAB in the first place, and also noted that "AVATAR MUD" was more
WP:CONCISE. (
closed by non-admin page mover)
ModernDayTrilobite (
talk •
contribs)
14:29, 28 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Alternative/oppose: I would prefer
Avatar MUD. (1) It avoids any parenthetical disambiguation. (2) The all caps does not, to my understanding, stand for anything. [Edit: Well, rather, it's a backronym designed to spell out
avatar (computer avatar). The original announcement didn't explain what it stood for, and also included use of "Avatar"
[1]. So I'll just say the acronym is a bit peripheral.] Wikipedia's style prefers to disregard all-caps stylized logos and instead capitalize each first letters of each word.
MOS:ALLCAPS;
MOS:TMRULES. Hence Minecraft is not MINECRAFT. (3) This avoids labeling
Multi-User Dungeons as "video games" when they are text-based. (4) Simply linking to
WP:NCVGDAB does not help me figure out why the guidelines there suggest AVATAR (video game). (5)
Avatar MUD is more concise than all other options. (6) And this happens to be current title of the website. {{replyto|
SilverLocust}} (
talk)
04:22, 8 July 2023 (UTC)reply
The rest of my line of reasoning, meaning just point 3? I'm not saying the title couldn't contain "video game", just that one benefit is that it avoids that. Plus this MUD doesn't even have images as VNs do. Meanwhile, all of the MUDs with parentheticals at
Category:MUD games use (MUD). {{replyto|
SilverLocust}} (
talk)
02:07, 9 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Per the uncapping, that seems reasonable
Avatar (1991 video game) would be better, since unless you're playing on a teleprinter terminal, or a punchcard terminal, you are using a videoscreen to view the electronic textual interface. --
67.70.25.80 (
talk)
12:01, 11 July 2023 (UTC)reply
AVATAR (video game) or
AVATAR MUD would work fine. It does actually seem to be an acronym (being allegedly a backronym is irrelevant). I lean toward the latter, per SilverLocust's NATDIS reasoning, but if the more
WP:CONSISTENT practice would be to use "(video game)" that's also okay. I do think DIFFCAPS would be sufficient here, but ultimately I would not object to
AVATAR (1991 video game) either. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 03:21, 23 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Hmm. Well, it's been presented in "A.V.A.T.A.R." acronym form since the early period; I suppose it is not necessary for an acronym's expansion to be publicly disclosed for it to remain an acronym. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 07:00, 23 July 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Video games, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
video games on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Video gamesWikipedia:WikiProject Video gamesTemplate:WikiProject Video gamesvideo game articles
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved to
AVATAR MUD. There were two titles that attracted significant support in this discussion: AVATAR MUD and AVATAR (video game). (Discussion of capitalization seems to have converged to a rough consensus that the term AVATAR is an acronym and should remain capitalized.) Of the two titles, AVATAR MUD attracted a slightly stronger base of arguments around it: supporters of "AVATAR (video game)" argued that (video game) was the correct disambiguator per
WP:NCVGDAB, but supporters of "AVATAR MUD" identified the title as
WP:NATURAL disambiguation that obviated the need for a parenthetical DAB in the first place, and also noted that "AVATAR MUD" was more
WP:CONCISE. (
closed by non-admin page mover)
ModernDayTrilobite (
talk •
contribs)
14:29, 28 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Alternative/oppose: I would prefer
Avatar MUD. (1) It avoids any parenthetical disambiguation. (2) The all caps does not, to my understanding, stand for anything. [Edit: Well, rather, it's a backronym designed to spell out
avatar (computer avatar). The original announcement didn't explain what it stood for, and also included use of "Avatar"
[1]. So I'll just say the acronym is a bit peripheral.] Wikipedia's style prefers to disregard all-caps stylized logos and instead capitalize each first letters of each word.
MOS:ALLCAPS;
MOS:TMRULES. Hence Minecraft is not MINECRAFT. (3) This avoids labeling
Multi-User Dungeons as "video games" when they are text-based. (4) Simply linking to
WP:NCVGDAB does not help me figure out why the guidelines there suggest AVATAR (video game). (5)
Avatar MUD is more concise than all other options. (6) And this happens to be current title of the website. {{replyto|
SilverLocust}} (
talk)
04:22, 8 July 2023 (UTC)reply
The rest of my line of reasoning, meaning just point 3? I'm not saying the title couldn't contain "video game", just that one benefit is that it avoids that. Plus this MUD doesn't even have images as VNs do. Meanwhile, all of the MUDs with parentheticals at
Category:MUD games use (MUD). {{replyto|
SilverLocust}} (
talk)
02:07, 9 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Per the uncapping, that seems reasonable
Avatar (1991 video game) would be better, since unless you're playing on a teleprinter terminal, or a punchcard terminal, you are using a videoscreen to view the electronic textual interface. --
67.70.25.80 (
talk)
12:01, 11 July 2023 (UTC)reply
AVATAR (video game) or
AVATAR MUD would work fine. It does actually seem to be an acronym (being allegedly a backronym is irrelevant). I lean toward the latter, per SilverLocust's NATDIS reasoning, but if the more
WP:CONSISTENT practice would be to use "(video game)" that's also okay. I do think DIFFCAPS would be sufficient here, but ultimately I would not object to
AVATAR (1991 video game) either. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 03:21, 23 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Hmm. Well, it's been presented in "A.V.A.T.A.R." acronym form since the early period; I suppose it is not necessary for an acronym's expansion to be publicly disclosed for it to remain an acronym. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 07:00, 23 July 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.