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No one is going to link to am as a word expecting to go to a page defining the word, so I removed these entries:
Tedernst | Talk 16:33, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
MoS:DP explains the purpose of dab pages. The purpose is to allow people to choose between pages that might otherwise be confused. So I removed a bunch of wikilinks that are not necessary to choose between pages (I find the extra links makes the page much harder to use) and I was reverted. The edit summary explained that with is WIKIpedia. Could we discuss this, please? Tedernst | Talk 16:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Tobias, in my opinion, you have two courses of action that are both in good faith.
Personally I don't agree with you, but that's not the point. We can still work together, as long as we all agree on the groundrules. Tedernst | talk 20:17, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Tobias, this is getting very tiring. You are going against both guidelines and consensus. Please stop your edits. Thanks/ wangi 18:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Let's check this page's current status vs. the MoS:DP:
The "Order of entries" seems to be the toughest one to get consensus on, with the breakdown by groupings (lexical, in this case) coming second. Because this is a two-letter initialism, the entries are perforce disparate, and frequency of meaning is, as usual, very hard to establish or agree upon. Arguably, AM stands most often for "ante meridiem", in common usage. The remaining cases seem mostly to be unapplicable. Urhixidur 01:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Note that the Aeroméxico and Arkansas and Missouri Railroad entries both feature their "explanation" (i.e., "IATA airline designator" and "reporting mark") prominently: the first in the infobox, the second in the lead sentence. Not so with Armenia, hence the need to link country code. The fact that all three main country code systems (ISO 3166, FIPS 10-4 and NATO) use AM for Armenia makes a sentence specifying them superfluous, but it does seem a little odd when compared to similar disambigs where that is not the case, such as MN, which will list Monaco (FIPS 10-4, NATO) and Mongolia (ISO 3166). Urhixidur 01:19, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Regarding "at most one other wikilink", the MOS states "don't wikilink any other words in the line, unless they may be essential to help the reader", so I would restate this "avoid other wikilinks", keeping in mind that every rule may have exceptions. — Michael Z. 2005-12-5 15:34 Z
This is a going candidate for being listed at Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars ever. Don't even bother arguing here that the MOS guidelines are no good here. Don't add novelties, like links to ISO codes which are not called AM, don't complicate the page by turning it into four separate lists, don't invent new sorting orders. Don't add sub-lists, don't link to redirects. Go to WP:DAB and MOS:DP and change them, then come back. This page should fit the convention—period.
Don't spend a lot of energy fighting convention for a disambiguation page. Keep in mind that [ |nothing links there] (except user, talk, and utility pages). Spend your time adding disambiguation links to other pages or writing articles.
And for goodness' sake don't start using the edit line to bicker over a silly disambiguation page. Please go work on the encyclopedia. — Michael Z. 2005-12-5 15:14 Z
I'm removing the division of this list into four lists. When a reader follows a link to this page, he may not have any way of knowing whether the correct version of the abbreviation is AM, Am, am, A.M., a.m. or something else. He may end up searching through four lists instead of one. Without a clear advantage to splitting this up, it's better to keep it simple as one alphabetized list. — Michael Z. 2005-12-5 15:28 Z
Susvolans, regarding nesting .am under Armenia, please consider this from the reader's point of view. The reader has probably clicked on something like "the top-level domain . am" to get here, and may not know that it is associated with Armenia. Why not let him easily find .am at the top of the list, instead of having to figure out the connection to Armenia? This list should not be indexed by the encyclopedic category of the information, but by the type of link that the reader came here by. — Michael Z. 2005-12-5 17:00 Z
Some old edits that used to be at the title "AM" are now at Talk:AM/Old edits. Graham 87 05:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
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No one is going to link to am as a word expecting to go to a page defining the word, so I removed these entries:
Tedernst | Talk 16:33, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
MoS:DP explains the purpose of dab pages. The purpose is to allow people to choose between pages that might otherwise be confused. So I removed a bunch of wikilinks that are not necessary to choose between pages (I find the extra links makes the page much harder to use) and I was reverted. The edit summary explained that with is WIKIpedia. Could we discuss this, please? Tedernst | Talk 16:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Tobias, in my opinion, you have two courses of action that are both in good faith.
Personally I don't agree with you, but that's not the point. We can still work together, as long as we all agree on the groundrules. Tedernst | talk 20:17, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Tobias, this is getting very tiring. You are going against both guidelines and consensus. Please stop your edits. Thanks/ wangi 18:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Let's check this page's current status vs. the MoS:DP:
The "Order of entries" seems to be the toughest one to get consensus on, with the breakdown by groupings (lexical, in this case) coming second. Because this is a two-letter initialism, the entries are perforce disparate, and frequency of meaning is, as usual, very hard to establish or agree upon. Arguably, AM stands most often for "ante meridiem", in common usage. The remaining cases seem mostly to be unapplicable. Urhixidur 01:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Note that the Aeroméxico and Arkansas and Missouri Railroad entries both feature their "explanation" (i.e., "IATA airline designator" and "reporting mark") prominently: the first in the infobox, the second in the lead sentence. Not so with Armenia, hence the need to link country code. The fact that all three main country code systems (ISO 3166, FIPS 10-4 and NATO) use AM for Armenia makes a sentence specifying them superfluous, but it does seem a little odd when compared to similar disambigs where that is not the case, such as MN, which will list Monaco (FIPS 10-4, NATO) and Mongolia (ISO 3166). Urhixidur 01:19, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Regarding "at most one other wikilink", the MOS states "don't wikilink any other words in the line, unless they may be essential to help the reader", so I would restate this "avoid other wikilinks", keeping in mind that every rule may have exceptions. — Michael Z. 2005-12-5 15:34 Z
This is a going candidate for being listed at Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars ever. Don't even bother arguing here that the MOS guidelines are no good here. Don't add novelties, like links to ISO codes which are not called AM, don't complicate the page by turning it into four separate lists, don't invent new sorting orders. Don't add sub-lists, don't link to redirects. Go to WP:DAB and MOS:DP and change them, then come back. This page should fit the convention—period.
Don't spend a lot of energy fighting convention for a disambiguation page. Keep in mind that [ |nothing links there] (except user, talk, and utility pages). Spend your time adding disambiguation links to other pages or writing articles.
And for goodness' sake don't start using the edit line to bicker over a silly disambiguation page. Please go work on the encyclopedia. — Michael Z. 2005-12-5 15:14 Z
I'm removing the division of this list into four lists. When a reader follows a link to this page, he may not have any way of knowing whether the correct version of the abbreviation is AM, Am, am, A.M., a.m. or something else. He may end up searching through four lists instead of one. Without a clear advantage to splitting this up, it's better to keep it simple as one alphabetized list. — Michael Z. 2005-12-5 15:28 Z
Susvolans, regarding nesting .am under Armenia, please consider this from the reader's point of view. The reader has probably clicked on something like "the top-level domain . am" to get here, and may not know that it is associated with Armenia. Why not let him easily find .am at the top of the list, instead of having to figure out the connection to Armenia? This list should not be indexed by the encyclopedic category of the information, but by the type of link that the reader came here by. — Michael Z. 2005-12-5 17:00 Z
Some old edits that used to be at the title "AM" are now at Talk:AM/Old edits. Graham 87 05:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)