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Should it be included here? It seems that this is not something commonly known and referred to as "AFD." Therefore it does not require disambiguation, as very few, if any, people would ever type "AFD" when looking for info on April Fool's Day. On a recent edit comment, Zargulon wrote: "(Never heard of anyone abbreviating April fools day, cite if revert please)" yet it has been replaced several times without citation. Anyone care to comment? - Seidenstud 15:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
That is simply not sufficient. I also find worrisome rudeness and accusations of vandalism which are flying around.. inexperienced editors should probably read Wikipedia:Vandalism to find out why removing the reference to April Fools day is not vandalism. Zargulon 15:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Please read carefully what I actually wrote; perhaps that will resolve your uncertainty. Zargulon 16:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
From my talk page:
Yes, the page was originally a redirect to All Free Dictionaries project, but work through my comment on your talk page from the last time - can you give a real reason for linking to this page? You made up plenty of reasons, but sorry we don't list things on dabpages because somebody thinks it makes sense - we list them because they are commonly used. Thanks/ wangi 19:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
By that (very silly) argument, we should have an entry on the SW disambig page for the nobel prizewinning physicist Steven Weinberg, because his E-mail address is SW at something (or just SW to people in his network neighbourhood), so it is "used somewhere". Hey, it wouldn't even be redlinked! Zargulon 07:28, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Well I posted (neutral) pointers to this discussion on a couple of related talk pages ( [4], [5]) - just wanted to get more eyes looking at this, so thanks for dropping by SnowFire. I'm disapointed that most of the editors/admins on the "inclusionist" side of this issue haven't discussed it here, preferring instead comments in edit summaries. I still stand by my reasoning (above) for why fdicts shouldn't be listed and i'm baffled by the listing of those two computer worms! / wangi 10:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me that one of the things that leads to these kinds of fights, is that the inclusionists misunderstand what disambiguation pages are for. A disambig page is not an index. It serves one purpose only: as a backup mechanism to protect against broken links; links that should go somewhere else. Unless there is a reasonable chance that an editor could mistakenly make a link to AFD, expecting it to lead to a particular article, that article should not appear here. The appearance of an acronym in some dictionary or list of acronyms is clearly not sufficient. The usage must be common enough that someone could create a link here by mistake.-- Srleffler 02:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
As a neutral observer, when reading the comments, I leaned inclusionist. More info is generally better, if someone uses it. After reviewing the evidence, however, and googling a bit for AFD (and words like "april" or "prank"), I could find no links that were not either livejournals (and other blogspaces with very liberal abbreviation patterns), or didn't immediately disambiguate the term (as in: "Can't wait for AFD (April Fool's Day)!"), suggesting these authors don't expect anyone to know the abbreviation, suggesting nonstandard usage. I see no evidence AFD is used as a reference for April Fool's Day without support from context. Others claim they have seen/used it in this way. Where our intuitions and experiences diverge, it's best to rely on evidence. So I propose a standard: the inclusionists should be required to provide 2-3 links where AFD is used as April Fool's Day 1) outside of a personal medium (livejournals, myspace) where 2) it is not immediately defined, or 3) followed by context disambiguation, like the words "prank" or "hoax." Thomas B 16:20, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
There are the most general rules wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:No original research and their consequences: Wikipedia:Citing sources and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. You cannot add an abbreviation just because your buddy likes to use it in e-mails to you. The usage must be well-established and described in reputable sources.
While I am here, there is anothyer common brand of inclusionism: an article, say, Leaf (disambiguation) should not include all possible phrases that include the word "Leaf" however useful it might be; e.g., I will not add Maple Leaf Rag into it however I like the tune. (this comment is pertaining to the case of virii here). `' mikka (t) 19:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Guys, perhaps those in favour of adding to this dab page would like to take part in a discussion here, rather than in edit summaries? Lets keep the page stable and get consensus behind one version or the other... Thanks/ wangi 20:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Why don't those people who wish to remove items from this page answer one very simple question for me: Why? How are they harmful, how do they make this page worse, and why should they not be here? Don't tell me "because the MoS says so"; that's a bullshit answer. I want to know, in explict detail, why editors want to make this page less useful.-- SB | T 09:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I changed the disambig template from {{ disambig-cleanup}} to {{ disambig}}. As far as I can tell, the page meets the manual of style and the argument over including April Fool's Day is more about content than the manual of style. (My opinion on that issue is no, FWIW} Thatcher131 (talk) 11:31, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I removed the entry per MOS:DABACRO. Widefox; talk 20:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Not sure why this was removed - certainly I find it useful to get to the WP:AfD page. Peter Rehse ( talk) 21:13, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
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Should it be included here? It seems that this is not something commonly known and referred to as "AFD." Therefore it does not require disambiguation, as very few, if any, people would ever type "AFD" when looking for info on April Fool's Day. On a recent edit comment, Zargulon wrote: "(Never heard of anyone abbreviating April fools day, cite if revert please)" yet it has been replaced several times without citation. Anyone care to comment? - Seidenstud 15:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
That is simply not sufficient. I also find worrisome rudeness and accusations of vandalism which are flying around.. inexperienced editors should probably read Wikipedia:Vandalism to find out why removing the reference to April Fools day is not vandalism. Zargulon 15:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Please read carefully what I actually wrote; perhaps that will resolve your uncertainty. Zargulon 16:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
From my talk page:
Yes, the page was originally a redirect to All Free Dictionaries project, but work through my comment on your talk page from the last time - can you give a real reason for linking to this page? You made up plenty of reasons, but sorry we don't list things on dabpages because somebody thinks it makes sense - we list them because they are commonly used. Thanks/ wangi 19:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
By that (very silly) argument, we should have an entry on the SW disambig page for the nobel prizewinning physicist Steven Weinberg, because his E-mail address is SW at something (or just SW to people in his network neighbourhood), so it is "used somewhere". Hey, it wouldn't even be redlinked! Zargulon 07:28, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Well I posted (neutral) pointers to this discussion on a couple of related talk pages ( [4], [5]) - just wanted to get more eyes looking at this, so thanks for dropping by SnowFire. I'm disapointed that most of the editors/admins on the "inclusionist" side of this issue haven't discussed it here, preferring instead comments in edit summaries. I still stand by my reasoning (above) for why fdicts shouldn't be listed and i'm baffled by the listing of those two computer worms! / wangi 10:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me that one of the things that leads to these kinds of fights, is that the inclusionists misunderstand what disambiguation pages are for. A disambig page is not an index. It serves one purpose only: as a backup mechanism to protect against broken links; links that should go somewhere else. Unless there is a reasonable chance that an editor could mistakenly make a link to AFD, expecting it to lead to a particular article, that article should not appear here. The appearance of an acronym in some dictionary or list of acronyms is clearly not sufficient. The usage must be common enough that someone could create a link here by mistake.-- Srleffler 02:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
As a neutral observer, when reading the comments, I leaned inclusionist. More info is generally better, if someone uses it. After reviewing the evidence, however, and googling a bit for AFD (and words like "april" or "prank"), I could find no links that were not either livejournals (and other blogspaces with very liberal abbreviation patterns), or didn't immediately disambiguate the term (as in: "Can't wait for AFD (April Fool's Day)!"), suggesting these authors don't expect anyone to know the abbreviation, suggesting nonstandard usage. I see no evidence AFD is used as a reference for April Fool's Day without support from context. Others claim they have seen/used it in this way. Where our intuitions and experiences diverge, it's best to rely on evidence. So I propose a standard: the inclusionists should be required to provide 2-3 links where AFD is used as April Fool's Day 1) outside of a personal medium (livejournals, myspace) where 2) it is not immediately defined, or 3) followed by context disambiguation, like the words "prank" or "hoax." Thomas B 16:20, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
There are the most general rules wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:No original research and their consequences: Wikipedia:Citing sources and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. You cannot add an abbreviation just because your buddy likes to use it in e-mails to you. The usage must be well-established and described in reputable sources.
While I am here, there is anothyer common brand of inclusionism: an article, say, Leaf (disambiguation) should not include all possible phrases that include the word "Leaf" however useful it might be; e.g., I will not add Maple Leaf Rag into it however I like the tune. (this comment is pertaining to the case of virii here). `' mikka (t) 19:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Guys, perhaps those in favour of adding to this dab page would like to take part in a discussion here, rather than in edit summaries? Lets keep the page stable and get consensus behind one version or the other... Thanks/ wangi 20:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Why don't those people who wish to remove items from this page answer one very simple question for me: Why? How are they harmful, how do they make this page worse, and why should they not be here? Don't tell me "because the MoS says so"; that's a bullshit answer. I want to know, in explict detail, why editors want to make this page less useful.-- SB | T 09:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I changed the disambig template from {{ disambig-cleanup}} to {{ disambig}}. As far as I can tell, the page meets the manual of style and the argument over including April Fool's Day is more about content than the manual of style. (My opinion on that issue is no, FWIW} Thatcher131 (talk) 11:31, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I removed the entry per MOS:DABACRO. Widefox; talk 20:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Not sure why this was removed - certainly I find it useful to get to the WP:AfD page. Peter Rehse ( talk) 21:13, 31 October 2015 (UTC)