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I seriously question the second sentence of the article.
one of the most rugged chassis ever to be employed in any computing equipment, being constructed with a very thick metal frame (over an inch at the thickest bits).
I believe that the case is not metal, and the word "rugged" is not correct.
I have two of these terminals, and I repaired many in the early 1980s. All of the ones that I've seen had lightweight plastic cases. I remember reading that they are Bakelite.
These things are not "rugged". While collecting the two that I have, I received one that was destroyed during shipping when the weight of the picture tube caused the top of the clamshell case to snap. I'd use the word "brittle." From my early repair work, I've seen that the majority of the weight is in the vacuum picture tube and in the large laminated-steel-core Transformer.
Finally, the density of the "thick metal frame" would put the weight far over the mere claimed 32-lb weight. I have a milling machine. Believe me. Just the vise for the mill weighs 42 lbs, and it has much less metal than the case would have if it were cast metal.
So, here's what I've been able to find. In a copy of the maintenance manual one reads that the case is "molded" and that the weight is 25 lbs. An operators manual says that the weight is 32 lbs. There were at least two versions of this terminal. The later ones used integrated chips and probably had a smaller transformer. The earlier ones had a board full of TTL chips, which would have required a larger transformer. So it's possible that both references are correct.
KerryVeenstra 17:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
This page needs more info on the history of this terminal. I could only find this reference about it being introduced in 1975 http://books.google.com/books?id=QqkOKwiaINMC&pg=PA86&lpg=PA86&dq=adm-3a+1975&source=bl&ots=cuWwNJpb_S&sig=Rzn7-Db43kCQUoiROIB0xSkO5UY&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=8&ct=result —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.122.20.39 ( talk) 21:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Is it right, that VI was developed on the ADM-3A? A lot of key mappings make a lot of sense if that is true ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.61.14.38 ( talk) 17:03, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it's true. Bill Joy, the original author of vi, had an adm3a at home in about 1978. That's where the hjkl as arrow keys came from. It's also why vi is usable on a dumb terminal at 300 baud - that's what Bill had. I was at Berkeley at the time and Bill told me this directly. -- gazotz 6 January 2019.
Looks like it:
http://www.catonmat.net/blog/why-vim-uses-hjkl-as-arrow-keys/
SeanJA ( talk) 19:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
The article spends a lot of text explaining the position of the control key on that terminal, and on modern keyboards, and giving pointers on how people can change the location of their control key. Actually, the control location was not specific to that terminal, it was the standard of the time. As far as I know, all DEC keyboards had the control key at that location, and early PC keyboards (XT/AT) also had it there. So, it does not make much sense to spend all that text talking about it here. Either create a dedicated article, or move the section to the article about the first PC keyboard where it was moved to the bottom. See for example IBM PC keyboard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.67.126.180 ( talk) 07:24, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Correct, the Teletype (at least since the model 33, and possibly earlier) had Ctrl to left of A. Caps lock didn't come along until later. Control to left of A was standard on most terminals at the time, although some later added a Caps Lock between Ctrl and A. Typewriters, on the other hand, had Shift Lock to left of A, and no Ctrl key. When the PC/AT came along, they moved Caps Lock left of A and put Ctrl below Shift, over the objections of most computer scientists. I was told this was so typists would more readily accept the PC, and this became standard quickly. -- gazotz 6 January 2019.
In one of the two ADM3A terminals I used some 20 years ago there was an additional circuit board mounted on top of the original board, about the same size. The terminal was able of drawing according to the Tektronix Plot-10 standard commands. Sadly to say, the terminal is since long lost so I'm unable to collect any more information about the extra card. However, I think it might be of interest to note and possibly to do some extra research into. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.109.102.225 ( talk) 16:58, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
The ADM-3A manuals are unambiguous: control/home moves the cursor to the upper left. Home-keys were used in many terminals. There doesn't appear to be any reliable source for either of the statements about home (chdir or regex). Likewise, there's no source for the "dominant terminal" statement. Lacking a WP:RS, the entire paragraph can be deleted. TEDickey ( talk) 20:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
ADM-3A replaced Teletype Model 33 at many locations~~ Xb2u7Zjzc32 ( talk) 00:48, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
The given source is problematic, because the reproduction quality is so low that only someone who knows what they are looking for can find the pictures of the arrow keys (and those are small enough that they can be mistaken for existing dirt on the pages). The apparent reference is to figure 3-1 and the (equally poor) depiction in text on the follow page. A useful source would be a photograph of the keyboard. The reason for the original tag was that no usable reliable source was found in written discussion. TEDickey ( talk) 10:27, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
interesting (does not work for all browsers, by the way). It would be nice if there were a usable written source TEDickey ( talk) 09:02, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
This page appears to discuss both the ADM-3 and ADM-3A, and, in some places, to do so in ways that don't make it clear what it's referring to. The ADM-3A, as per the Computerworld reference, appears to have come out in 1976; the ADM-3 may have come out prior to 1976. Guy Harris ( talk) 21:07, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
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Does anybody remember the ADM-3 fan club? I think somewhere around here I still have the old "publicity photo" they sent out. Man, I'm an old fart. If you are too, contact me! Fool4jesus ( talk) 00:33, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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The comment about tilde versus home-directory might be coincidence. A reliable source mentioning the relationship which was written in the mid-1970s would be needed to support this statement. TEDickey ( talk)
I was at Berkeley at the time, and this is the first I've heard that tilde as UNIX home came from the adm3a. However, since tilde as home originated in csh, which Bill Joy wrote, and since he had an adm3a at home, it seems possible. He would know. -- gazotz 6 January 2019.
Sadly, neither of us is a reliable source for the statement in question. I did program using the terminal TEDickey ( talk) 23:45, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
https://danhalbert.org/more.html
A "PC Magazine" article by Benj Edwards October 13, 2016 ( https://www.pcmag.com/news/the-forgotten-world-of-dumb-terminals), and Marc Roessler's archived webpage ( https://web.archive.org/web/20041011034203/http://www.tentacle.franken.de/adm3a/index.html) cites Brian M. O'Connell's page ( https://cs.ccsu.edu/~boconnel/annex.htm) which states that the "ADM-3A was released in 1974 that became popular with early personal computer builders due to its relatively low cost ($995 in kit form, $1,195 assembled)" The problem though, is that this conflicts with the timeline derived from cited statements in the rest of the article, which suggests that the ADM-3A didn't come out til 1976.
There is also the uncited statement in this article, "The ADM-1 was followed by the ADM-2 in early '74. It had expanded functionality and a detached keyboard." This suggests to me that Brian O'Connell confused the ADM-3A with the ADM-2. Unfortunately I have found no source that does not cite Mr. O'Connell's statement on his webpage here. There's also the circumstantial evidence that it seems unlikely the ADM-3A or even the AMD-3 would be available as a kit, as the assembled product was so successful in the marketplace.
It would be very helpful if anyone can source that it was the ADM-2, and not the 3A, was "$995 in kit form, $1,195 assembled". This also would support statements that the ADM-2 popularity among early computer hobbyists propelled the interest in, and perhaps the sales of the later models. This is one of the problems with sourcing from web pages "back in the day". People weren't citing sources or even linking, at least not adequately, on the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.37.128 ( talk) 22:26, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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I seriously question the second sentence of the article.
one of the most rugged chassis ever to be employed in any computing equipment, being constructed with a very thick metal frame (over an inch at the thickest bits).
I believe that the case is not metal, and the word "rugged" is not correct.
I have two of these terminals, and I repaired many in the early 1980s. All of the ones that I've seen had lightweight plastic cases. I remember reading that they are Bakelite.
These things are not "rugged". While collecting the two that I have, I received one that was destroyed during shipping when the weight of the picture tube caused the top of the clamshell case to snap. I'd use the word "brittle." From my early repair work, I've seen that the majority of the weight is in the vacuum picture tube and in the large laminated-steel-core Transformer.
Finally, the density of the "thick metal frame" would put the weight far over the mere claimed 32-lb weight. I have a milling machine. Believe me. Just the vise for the mill weighs 42 lbs, and it has much less metal than the case would have if it were cast metal.
So, here's what I've been able to find. In a copy of the maintenance manual one reads that the case is "molded" and that the weight is 25 lbs. An operators manual says that the weight is 32 lbs. There were at least two versions of this terminal. The later ones used integrated chips and probably had a smaller transformer. The earlier ones had a board full of TTL chips, which would have required a larger transformer. So it's possible that both references are correct.
KerryVeenstra 17:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
This page needs more info on the history of this terminal. I could only find this reference about it being introduced in 1975 http://books.google.com/books?id=QqkOKwiaINMC&pg=PA86&lpg=PA86&dq=adm-3a+1975&source=bl&ots=cuWwNJpb_S&sig=Rzn7-Db43kCQUoiROIB0xSkO5UY&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=8&ct=result —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.122.20.39 ( talk) 21:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Is it right, that VI was developed on the ADM-3A? A lot of key mappings make a lot of sense if that is true ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.61.14.38 ( talk) 17:03, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it's true. Bill Joy, the original author of vi, had an adm3a at home in about 1978. That's where the hjkl as arrow keys came from. It's also why vi is usable on a dumb terminal at 300 baud - that's what Bill had. I was at Berkeley at the time and Bill told me this directly. -- gazotz 6 January 2019.
Looks like it:
http://www.catonmat.net/blog/why-vim-uses-hjkl-as-arrow-keys/
SeanJA ( talk) 19:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
The article spends a lot of text explaining the position of the control key on that terminal, and on modern keyboards, and giving pointers on how people can change the location of their control key. Actually, the control location was not specific to that terminal, it was the standard of the time. As far as I know, all DEC keyboards had the control key at that location, and early PC keyboards (XT/AT) also had it there. So, it does not make much sense to spend all that text talking about it here. Either create a dedicated article, or move the section to the article about the first PC keyboard where it was moved to the bottom. See for example IBM PC keyboard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.67.126.180 ( talk) 07:24, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Correct, the Teletype (at least since the model 33, and possibly earlier) had Ctrl to left of A. Caps lock didn't come along until later. Control to left of A was standard on most terminals at the time, although some later added a Caps Lock between Ctrl and A. Typewriters, on the other hand, had Shift Lock to left of A, and no Ctrl key. When the PC/AT came along, they moved Caps Lock left of A and put Ctrl below Shift, over the objections of most computer scientists. I was told this was so typists would more readily accept the PC, and this became standard quickly. -- gazotz 6 January 2019.
In one of the two ADM3A terminals I used some 20 years ago there was an additional circuit board mounted on top of the original board, about the same size. The terminal was able of drawing according to the Tektronix Plot-10 standard commands. Sadly to say, the terminal is since long lost so I'm unable to collect any more information about the extra card. However, I think it might be of interest to note and possibly to do some extra research into. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.109.102.225 ( talk) 16:58, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
The ADM-3A manuals are unambiguous: control/home moves the cursor to the upper left. Home-keys were used in many terminals. There doesn't appear to be any reliable source for either of the statements about home (chdir or regex). Likewise, there's no source for the "dominant terminal" statement. Lacking a WP:RS, the entire paragraph can be deleted. TEDickey ( talk) 20:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
ADM-3A replaced Teletype Model 33 at many locations~~ Xb2u7Zjzc32 ( talk) 00:48, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
The given source is problematic, because the reproduction quality is so low that only someone who knows what they are looking for can find the pictures of the arrow keys (and those are small enough that they can be mistaken for existing dirt on the pages). The apparent reference is to figure 3-1 and the (equally poor) depiction in text on the follow page. A useful source would be a photograph of the keyboard. The reason for the original tag was that no usable reliable source was found in written discussion. TEDickey ( talk) 10:27, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
interesting (does not work for all browsers, by the way). It would be nice if there were a usable written source TEDickey ( talk) 09:02, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
This page appears to discuss both the ADM-3 and ADM-3A, and, in some places, to do so in ways that don't make it clear what it's referring to. The ADM-3A, as per the Computerworld reference, appears to have come out in 1976; the ADM-3 may have come out prior to 1976. Guy Harris ( talk) 21:07, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
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Does anybody remember the ADM-3 fan club? I think somewhere around here I still have the old "publicity photo" they sent out. Man, I'm an old fart. If you are too, contact me! Fool4jesus ( talk) 00:33, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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The comment about tilde versus home-directory might be coincidence. A reliable source mentioning the relationship which was written in the mid-1970s would be needed to support this statement. TEDickey ( talk)
I was at Berkeley at the time, and this is the first I've heard that tilde as UNIX home came from the adm3a. However, since tilde as home originated in csh, which Bill Joy wrote, and since he had an adm3a at home, it seems possible. He would know. -- gazotz 6 January 2019.
Sadly, neither of us is a reliable source for the statement in question. I did program using the terminal TEDickey ( talk) 23:45, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
https://danhalbert.org/more.html
A "PC Magazine" article by Benj Edwards October 13, 2016 ( https://www.pcmag.com/news/the-forgotten-world-of-dumb-terminals), and Marc Roessler's archived webpage ( https://web.archive.org/web/20041011034203/http://www.tentacle.franken.de/adm3a/index.html) cites Brian M. O'Connell's page ( https://cs.ccsu.edu/~boconnel/annex.htm) which states that the "ADM-3A was released in 1974 that became popular with early personal computer builders due to its relatively low cost ($995 in kit form, $1,195 assembled)" The problem though, is that this conflicts with the timeline derived from cited statements in the rest of the article, which suggests that the ADM-3A didn't come out til 1976.
There is also the uncited statement in this article, "The ADM-1 was followed by the ADM-2 in early '74. It had expanded functionality and a detached keyboard." This suggests to me that Brian O'Connell confused the ADM-3A with the ADM-2. Unfortunately I have found no source that does not cite Mr. O'Connell's statement on his webpage here. There's also the circumstantial evidence that it seems unlikely the ADM-3A or even the AMD-3 would be available as a kit, as the assembled product was so successful in the marketplace.
It would be very helpful if anyone can source that it was the ADM-2, and not the 3A, was "$995 in kit form, $1,195 assembled". This also would support statements that the ADM-2 popularity among early computer hobbyists propelled the interest in, and perhaps the sales of the later models. This is one of the problems with sourcing from web pages "back in the day". People weren't citing sources or even linking, at least not adequately, on the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.37.128 ( talk) 22:26, 17 May 2021 (UTC)