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The factual accuracy of this article is in dispute; see the AFD page for details. JBsupreme ( talk) 16:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Is this noteworthy? It's barely news. Perhaps it should be moved to the list of internet memes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.184.41.8 ( talk) 16:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
This event and the guy "EBM" is becoming huge, and there are other videoed incidents. I think we should consider this article as we've given articles to less, let's see if it becomes more popular before deleting it. TheJoak ( talk) 08:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
This happening was posted on Youtube 2 days ago. See how many additions this article has, one of the videos now has more than a half million views! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.119.233.179 ( talk) 21:53, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree with the comments directly above. This is certainly noteworthy enough for its own article and has been appropriately written and sourced. It could do with some expansion, although no doubt as the incident spreads, more details will emerge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.176.167 ( talk) 22:45, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Internet phenomena come and go as time passes. I agree that you should wait and see if this incident will in time merit its own article. Otherwise, merging would be the best thing to do. 70.191.209.102 ( talk) 06:06, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Good idea. Let's delete Chocolate Rain and Star Wars Kid too. Maybe we should delete Wikipedia as a whole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.97.75 ( talk) 09:11, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
It's as noteworthy as the Dont tase me bro incident. And certainly has enough coverage and debate for inclusion in Wikipedia. There is no reason to delete it really. What it needs is more sources and to be rewritten better. 204.52.215.135 ( talk) 05:09, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Agreed with the comments above. We should wait for the event and more details to unfold. Do not delete this article, simply because we have not let the information to have its chance to be recognized yet. Evolver42 ( talk) 05:24, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
I feel it should stay, for the same reason that Dont tase me bro and the hamster dance are here -- it marks a small but defining moment in the history of American popular culture. Catherineyronwode ( talk) 06:49, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
The article is culturally relevant, I think it should stay. Aspects of the incident have become internet memes, relevant pop culture. -- Theo10011 ( talk) 15:55, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Of course any of the editors discussing here can participate in the deletion debate; that's what it's for. You may disagree with my assessment, but the closing administrator is expected to weigh policy-based arguments more heavily. I absolutely agree that if and when this video influences a South Park episode, is discussed in journals, is referred to in a Toyota commercial, and appears in several movies that it will be notable and should be included - but that hasn't happened yet, and we're not in the position to make guesses. If you can demonstrate that this video has any of those types of sources, by all means add them to the article and participate in the deletion debate - I stand ready to change my position as soon as I see evidence like that.--~ TPW (trade passing words?) TPW is the editor formerly known as otherlleft 13:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok guys, I have made my point. The story hasn't completely developed yet and I would like to clarify the impact of the incident not the incident itself, maybe there will be references to it in other TV shows or movies in a year or so, leeroy took close to 2. Its an internet meme that is undisputed, i have linked to the page with the list of all other similar memes, this might not be as notable (yet) but there are others there that are clearly even less notable. At the end of the day its only a single page with cited references and a story, you can remove it if you want but It would be better to have it and not preemptively delete it then not have it all. Also Ticklemygrits, you think that half of those should be deleted -Edgar's fall for example like you cited is part of wikiproject internet culture, it was nominated for deletion twice and survived both times. I think this story can be more notable than edgar's fall, just start a vote if you wanna find out what other think, with that said I think I have made my point, maybe another editor can step in and explain their position better. Happy editing to both you gentlemen. -- Theo10011 ( talk) 14:33, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
I think we should mention that he said How much you charge me for a spit shine. Linnea94 ( talk) 18:53, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
The only reason we are having this debate is because some overzealous, selfrighteous editor(s) immediately hit the delete button before allowing the event to congeal. This should not be acceptable behavior on Wikipedia. Also, someone above stated that there are likely 1000s of fights on a bus every day in the world. That is a very outlandish claim that needs a citation. Further, even if a million fights occur in the developing world, a fight on an American bus (not to mention one that has become an internet meme) is most certainly notable. Metallurgist ( talk) 05:56, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Well from the looks of it, the article has an overwhelming support to be kept. -- Theo10011 ( talk) 17:56, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
The black guy is not 50 years old as the article states, this can obviously be seen in the video. —Preceding
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How stupid is this article? Get rid of it. 10 years down the line will ANYONE need this information? Does anyone even need it now? Absolutely NOT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.77.216.234 ( talk) 04:24, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
This article is irrelevant. I don't like Wikipedia because of articles of this kind.-- 213.97.25.116 ( talk) 10:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if this is important, but in case further dispute arises, in the interview Michael states again that he's 50, so there should be no dispute that he claims he's 50. In the interview the interviewers say they thought he was lying and later on also discuss the fact he looks younger (and that most people including Bruso seemed to think so altho if he's been to jail for 18 years he can't be that young :-P) and appear to have done some research (e.g. they know his fiancée) so it seems likely they now believe he's really ~50 although that point is obviously OR. Anyone I'm out, I've already spent way way more time on this silly meme then I ever intended. (On a personal note, I'm not that surprised he's really 50, while I didn't look at it that carefully you don't appear to get a great view of him on the original video so it's not that easy to tell his age, and people often say black people 'age well'. I suspect people are partially letting their preconceptions about this guy's behaviour and being a 'young-punk' influence them, in particular he may have a different lifestyle then they expect which would likely affect how 'well' he ages. Does he really look that much younger then Barack Obama?) Nil Einne ( talk) 23:43, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Why isn't 4chan's role in spreading this meme mentioned? I was one of the first viewers of the video after I saw it on 4chan and I can be pretty certain that 4chan is largely responsible for popularizing it. 63.245.168.34 ( talk) 03:31, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Beating up a black man is inspiring? It's not the fact that he was black, but that he was provoking a fight. Please, get rid of that sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.252.0.6 ( talk) 14:23, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
There's an extensive article that profiles Thomas Bruso and the events surrounding the incident in San Francisco Weekly. You can read it here. I'll integrate facts and updates from that article but anyone else who is updating this page should use it. Night Gyr ( talk/ Oy) 22:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't Amber Lamps be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.174.247.58 ( talk) 05:42, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I was thinking the same thing. I came here to see if there were any input from other passengers, especially ones who are "famous".
I see the previous discussion was about it being noteworthy...the one aspect of the incident which is noteworthy, the rather universal application of "Amber Lamps" to a random person based on a person saying "ambulance". Surely that phenomenon is noteworthy if only for the implications of sociology. LaRoza ( talk) 02:04, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
I believe that an "Amber Lamps" section should be added because it is an integal part of the overall "Epic Beard Man" meme. KNOWYOURMEME talked about her, there are many video tributes to her, numerous pictures and captioned photos and quite a few blog posts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.51.72.130 ( talk) 16:46, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Amberlamps is included -- it's either witty sabotage or insightful prose... Niels E ( talk) 14:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
The article currently doesn't mention anything about amber lamps, but it does redirect from 'amber lamps'. This doesn't seem right to me. Richard Jackson ( talk) 23:53, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Amber Lamps needs to be in this article. DFS ( talk) 17:49, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
is there a reason that Michael's last name is not used in this article? i have avoided using it here, since i dont know why it is absent, but the name of both men is out there, not just Bruso's. Badmachine ( talk) 23:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
I do not think this incident which something like it probably happens multiple times per day qualifies to be in an encyclopedia just because it was on you tube. The amount of garbage being allowed on wikipedia is crazy, especially that some intentionally do thing to try to qualify themselves to be on wiki. Maybe it can be moved to tinwiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.108.45 ( talk) 20:30, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Many things seem benign at first, many times they are the final straw and a pivot point, thus important. Only history will tell, but deleting history for the sake of censorship to keep things neat and tidy is like pretending your kids aren't on drugs because they wear a nice sweater and are polite.
Against - I'm glad the article is on the Wikipedia, I wanted more information after seeing it on youtube and found it here. -Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.44.196.67 ( talk) 03:16, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. They are many incidents similar to this one. What the hell makes this one so special? -- 68.123.154.173 ( talk) 22:51, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
it seems that people are purposely avoidant of learning about this Michael. He was willing to give a radio interview, but no one offered to ask about his last name and history. We know more than enough of Bruso: we have several articles about him, including his homelessness. But absolutely nothing of Michael? Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabinal ( talk • contribs) 21:20, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Bad Ass (film): Does anyone know, if the brave hero Thomas Bruso will be getting a cut of the film earnings? I really hope so! 91.66.9.225 ( talk) 15:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
This entry is almost twice as long as the one for Paul Erdos(sic) in word count. 146.115.156.66 ( talk) 04:40, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
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The factual accuracy of this article is in dispute; see the AFD page for details. JBsupreme ( talk) 16:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Is this noteworthy? It's barely news. Perhaps it should be moved to the list of internet memes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.184.41.8 ( talk) 16:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
This event and the guy "EBM" is becoming huge, and there are other videoed incidents. I think we should consider this article as we've given articles to less, let's see if it becomes more popular before deleting it. TheJoak ( talk) 08:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
This happening was posted on Youtube 2 days ago. See how many additions this article has, one of the videos now has more than a half million views! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.119.233.179 ( talk) 21:53, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree with the comments directly above. This is certainly noteworthy enough for its own article and has been appropriately written and sourced. It could do with some expansion, although no doubt as the incident spreads, more details will emerge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.176.167 ( talk) 22:45, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Internet phenomena come and go as time passes. I agree that you should wait and see if this incident will in time merit its own article. Otherwise, merging would be the best thing to do. 70.191.209.102 ( talk) 06:06, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Good idea. Let's delete Chocolate Rain and Star Wars Kid too. Maybe we should delete Wikipedia as a whole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.97.75 ( talk) 09:11, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
It's as noteworthy as the Dont tase me bro incident. And certainly has enough coverage and debate for inclusion in Wikipedia. There is no reason to delete it really. What it needs is more sources and to be rewritten better. 204.52.215.135 ( talk) 05:09, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Agreed with the comments above. We should wait for the event and more details to unfold. Do not delete this article, simply because we have not let the information to have its chance to be recognized yet. Evolver42 ( talk) 05:24, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
I feel it should stay, for the same reason that Dont tase me bro and the hamster dance are here -- it marks a small but defining moment in the history of American popular culture. Catherineyronwode ( talk) 06:49, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
The article is culturally relevant, I think it should stay. Aspects of the incident have become internet memes, relevant pop culture. -- Theo10011 ( talk) 15:55, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Of course any of the editors discussing here can participate in the deletion debate; that's what it's for. You may disagree with my assessment, but the closing administrator is expected to weigh policy-based arguments more heavily. I absolutely agree that if and when this video influences a South Park episode, is discussed in journals, is referred to in a Toyota commercial, and appears in several movies that it will be notable and should be included - but that hasn't happened yet, and we're not in the position to make guesses. If you can demonstrate that this video has any of those types of sources, by all means add them to the article and participate in the deletion debate - I stand ready to change my position as soon as I see evidence like that.--~ TPW (trade passing words?) TPW is the editor formerly known as otherlleft 13:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok guys, I have made my point. The story hasn't completely developed yet and I would like to clarify the impact of the incident not the incident itself, maybe there will be references to it in other TV shows or movies in a year or so, leeroy took close to 2. Its an internet meme that is undisputed, i have linked to the page with the list of all other similar memes, this might not be as notable (yet) but there are others there that are clearly even less notable. At the end of the day its only a single page with cited references and a story, you can remove it if you want but It would be better to have it and not preemptively delete it then not have it all. Also Ticklemygrits, you think that half of those should be deleted -Edgar's fall for example like you cited is part of wikiproject internet culture, it was nominated for deletion twice and survived both times. I think this story can be more notable than edgar's fall, just start a vote if you wanna find out what other think, with that said I think I have made my point, maybe another editor can step in and explain their position better. Happy editing to both you gentlemen. -- Theo10011 ( talk) 14:33, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
I think we should mention that he said How much you charge me for a spit shine. Linnea94 ( talk) 18:53, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
The only reason we are having this debate is because some overzealous, selfrighteous editor(s) immediately hit the delete button before allowing the event to congeal. This should not be acceptable behavior on Wikipedia. Also, someone above stated that there are likely 1000s of fights on a bus every day in the world. That is a very outlandish claim that needs a citation. Further, even if a million fights occur in the developing world, a fight on an American bus (not to mention one that has become an internet meme) is most certainly notable. Metallurgist ( talk) 05:56, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Well from the looks of it, the article has an overwhelming support to be kept. -- Theo10011 ( talk) 17:56, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
The black guy is not 50 years old as the article states, this can obviously be seen in the video. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
118.93.168.237 (
talk) 04:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
How stupid is this article? Get rid of it. 10 years down the line will ANYONE need this information? Does anyone even need it now? Absolutely NOT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.77.216.234 ( talk) 04:24, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
This article is irrelevant. I don't like Wikipedia because of articles of this kind.-- 213.97.25.116 ( talk) 10:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if this is important, but in case further dispute arises, in the interview Michael states again that he's 50, so there should be no dispute that he claims he's 50. In the interview the interviewers say they thought he was lying and later on also discuss the fact he looks younger (and that most people including Bruso seemed to think so altho if he's been to jail for 18 years he can't be that young :-P) and appear to have done some research (e.g. they know his fiancée) so it seems likely they now believe he's really ~50 although that point is obviously OR. Anyone I'm out, I've already spent way way more time on this silly meme then I ever intended. (On a personal note, I'm not that surprised he's really 50, while I didn't look at it that carefully you don't appear to get a great view of him on the original video so it's not that easy to tell his age, and people often say black people 'age well'. I suspect people are partially letting their preconceptions about this guy's behaviour and being a 'young-punk' influence them, in particular he may have a different lifestyle then they expect which would likely affect how 'well' he ages. Does he really look that much younger then Barack Obama?) Nil Einne ( talk) 23:43, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Why isn't 4chan's role in spreading this meme mentioned? I was one of the first viewers of the video after I saw it on 4chan and I can be pretty certain that 4chan is largely responsible for popularizing it. 63.245.168.34 ( talk) 03:31, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Beating up a black man is inspiring? It's not the fact that he was black, but that he was provoking a fight. Please, get rid of that sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.252.0.6 ( talk) 14:23, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
There's an extensive article that profiles Thomas Bruso and the events surrounding the incident in San Francisco Weekly. You can read it here. I'll integrate facts and updates from that article but anyone else who is updating this page should use it. Night Gyr ( talk/ Oy) 22:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't Amber Lamps be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.174.247.58 ( talk) 05:42, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I was thinking the same thing. I came here to see if there were any input from other passengers, especially ones who are "famous".
I see the previous discussion was about it being noteworthy...the one aspect of the incident which is noteworthy, the rather universal application of "Amber Lamps" to a random person based on a person saying "ambulance". Surely that phenomenon is noteworthy if only for the implications of sociology. LaRoza ( talk) 02:04, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
I believe that an "Amber Lamps" section should be added because it is an integal part of the overall "Epic Beard Man" meme. KNOWYOURMEME talked about her, there are many video tributes to her, numerous pictures and captioned photos and quite a few blog posts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.51.72.130 ( talk) 16:46, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Amberlamps is included -- it's either witty sabotage or insightful prose... Niels E ( talk) 14:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
The article currently doesn't mention anything about amber lamps, but it does redirect from 'amber lamps'. This doesn't seem right to me. Richard Jackson ( talk) 23:53, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Amber Lamps needs to be in this article. DFS ( talk) 17:49, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
is there a reason that Michael's last name is not used in this article? i have avoided using it here, since i dont know why it is absent, but the name of both men is out there, not just Bruso's. Badmachine ( talk) 23:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
I do not think this incident which something like it probably happens multiple times per day qualifies to be in an encyclopedia just because it was on you tube. The amount of garbage being allowed on wikipedia is crazy, especially that some intentionally do thing to try to qualify themselves to be on wiki. Maybe it can be moved to tinwiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.108.45 ( talk) 20:30, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Many things seem benign at first, many times they are the final straw and a pivot point, thus important. Only history will tell, but deleting history for the sake of censorship to keep things neat and tidy is like pretending your kids aren't on drugs because they wear a nice sweater and are polite.
Against - I'm glad the article is on the Wikipedia, I wanted more information after seeing it on youtube and found it here. -Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.44.196.67 ( talk) 03:16, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. They are many incidents similar to this one. What the hell makes this one so special? -- 68.123.154.173 ( talk) 22:51, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
it seems that people are purposely avoidant of learning about this Michael. He was willing to give a radio interview, but no one offered to ask about his last name and history. We know more than enough of Bruso: we have several articles about him, including his homelessness. But absolutely nothing of Michael? Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabinal ( talk • contribs) 21:20, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Bad Ass (film): Does anyone know, if the brave hero Thomas Bruso will be getting a cut of the film earnings? I really hope so! 91.66.9.225 ( talk) 15:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
This entry is almost twice as long as the one for Paul Erdos(sic) in word count. 146.115.156.66 ( talk) 04:40, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
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