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This site links to an old map that I recall seeing somewhere before myself, which named southernmost interchanges "Mali Prolog", "Ploče", "Metković". But, nowadays the D425 is planned to end at Mali Prolog where the IC is called Ploče, and the Metković IC is near Kula Norinska. Given all this, is there any further point in including Pelješac in any A1 route plan? It seems way obsolete by now. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 21:45, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Consequently, I moved this out of the article:
-- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 08:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
After reading the article, here are my comments:
All in all, things look very good. GA review might raise further points, but presumably nothing major will have been left by then. GregorB ( talk) 19:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
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I noticed that there was a number of page moves related to this article. I am not sure that the final title, A1 (Croatia) is the best choice. Judging from the intro section and from naming conventions in List of A1 roads, a reasonable choice woud be A1 motorway (Croatia). Whatever the name would be, the full name is not simply "A1". Please comment. Lothar Klaic ( talk) 02:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
[[A1 (Croatia highway)|]]
would "pipe trick" to just "AI". Suggested terms would be "highway" or "road" as a good generic term We could use "motorway", but that last one has the issues discussed above with A8 and A12.
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These days, most other entries in this set are indeed motorways, so I would no longer be averse to such a move. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 15:27, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
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There's a fair bit of a problem with Trajekti će biti skuplji i od pelješkog mosta by Josip Bohutinski/VLM:
OK, so the math this journalist used is very much unclear to me. 1.95 B kuna is 260 M euro, and that's an estimate based on the old contract - that was so bad that someone actually went through the cancellation, which isn't really so politically opportunistic - and it's been disputed in the press ages ago, e.g. this guy says it went up to 2.5 B kn just for the bridge, and then there are the extra costs for the access roads. But let's stick to 260 M Euro for the sake of discussion.
64 M Euro for the ferries + 25 M for the corridor is 89 M euro. 260-89 = 171 M Euro. So the estimated concession cost (that isn't explicated in the article) and the cost to the truckers has to combine to over 171 M Euro.
They estimated a worst case of three trucks per 50 minute ride, meaning 2* 24*60 / 50 = 57.6, let's say 60 truck rides per day, at an estimated cost of >1Kkn that's e.g. 80Kkn daily, or 29.2 M kuna a year, which is less than 4 M EUR. Let's not go for the worst case as far as speed of the ferries, and double or triple the number.
The derived estimated price of the concession for the Neum corridor is still 167 to 159 M EUR. Has anyone of any credibility actually ever published such a number anywhere in any sort of explicit form that could be verified? If not, this is simply not encyclopedic. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:01, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
We need to do a thorough update for the completion of the sections towards Ploče. There's an article in Građevinar from 2012 [3] that can probably be used. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 13:05, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
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This site links to an old map that I recall seeing somewhere before myself, which named southernmost interchanges "Mali Prolog", "Ploče", "Metković". But, nowadays the D425 is planned to end at Mali Prolog where the IC is called Ploče, and the Metković IC is near Kula Norinska. Given all this, is there any further point in including Pelješac in any A1 route plan? It seems way obsolete by now. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 21:45, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Consequently, I moved this out of the article:
-- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 08:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
After reading the article, here are my comments:
All in all, things look very good. GA review might raise further points, but presumably nothing major will have been left by then. GregorB ( talk) 19:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer: Imzadi 1979 → 10:05, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
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and drop the marker graphic in front of the name. The cell should then span from the exit column into the notes column. If these cells don't span into the exit column, the hyphens (-) in that column should be em dashes (—). (Like I said, the MOS nitpickers hate icon graphics, but we've been able to sell them on the concept that the highway markers are necessary for visual identification reasons.)|transtitle=
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I noticed that there was a number of page moves related to this article. I am not sure that the final title, A1 (Croatia) is the best choice. Judging from the intro section and from naming conventions in List of A1 roads, a reasonable choice woud be A1 motorway (Croatia). Whatever the name would be, the full name is not simply "A1". Please comment. Lothar Klaic ( talk) 02:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
[[A1 (Croatia highway)|]]
would "pipe trick" to just "AI". Suggested terms would be "highway" or "road" as a good generic term We could use "motorway", but that last one has the issues discussed above with A8 and A12.
Imzadi
1979
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19:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
These days, most other entries in this set are indeed motorways, so I would no longer be averse to such a move. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 15:27, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
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There's a fair bit of a problem with Trajekti će biti skuplji i od pelješkog mosta by Josip Bohutinski/VLM:
OK, so the math this journalist used is very much unclear to me. 1.95 B kuna is 260 M euro, and that's an estimate based on the old contract - that was so bad that someone actually went through the cancellation, which isn't really so politically opportunistic - and it's been disputed in the press ages ago, e.g. this guy says it went up to 2.5 B kn just for the bridge, and then there are the extra costs for the access roads. But let's stick to 260 M Euro for the sake of discussion.
64 M Euro for the ferries + 25 M for the corridor is 89 M euro. 260-89 = 171 M Euro. So the estimated concession cost (that isn't explicated in the article) and the cost to the truckers has to combine to over 171 M Euro.
They estimated a worst case of three trucks per 50 minute ride, meaning 2* 24*60 / 50 = 57.6, let's say 60 truck rides per day, at an estimated cost of >1Kkn that's e.g. 80Kkn daily, or 29.2 M kuna a year, which is less than 4 M EUR. Let's not go for the worst case as far as speed of the ferries, and double or triple the number.
The derived estimated price of the concession for the Neum corridor is still 167 to 159 M EUR. Has anyone of any credibility actually ever published such a number anywhere in any sort of explicit form that could be verified? If not, this is simply not encyclopedic. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:01, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
We need to do a thorough update for the completion of the sections towards Ploče. There's an article in Građevinar from 2012 [3] that can probably be used. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 13:05, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
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