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Did you know... that 287 Broadway was once called "the most succulent cast-iron street-show in all New York"?
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ALT3: ... that 287 Broadway was once called "the most succulent cast-iron street-show in all New York"? Source: White, Norval; Willensky, Elliot; Leadon, Fran (2010). AIA Guide to New York City (5th ed.). New York: Oxford University Press. p. 84
Newly 5x expanded. Article is well-sourced, presentable, neutral, and BLP-compliant. Earwig looks fine and no close paraphrasing was detected. Images are freely licensed. The hooks are all cited and interesting. The hook image renders well. For ALT3 and the related quote in the article, the version of the AIA Guide that I'm looking at reads "
most succulent cast-iron street-show in all New York". QPQs are needed. Excellent article.
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This looks well-written on first glance. Let me note any nitpicks.
"Inside, the ground story contains retail space, while the second through sixth stories contain a total of ten apartments." – "The ground floor houses retail space, while the second through sixth floors accommodate ten apartments". I think "a total of" is redundant.
Per
MOS:NUMERAL, with the exception of the lead, I would try avoiding starting sentences with "287 Broadway", such as at the beginning of the "Site" section.
I understand the reasoning for this and would normally agree. However, MOS:NUMERAL also says that "proper names, technical terms and the like" may remain unchanged. In this case, 287 Broadway is the most common name for this building; it doesn't have an alternative name, so "287 Broadway" is the proper name as well.
Epicgenius (
talk)
15:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)reply
"The ground-level facade originally contained flat-arched openings" – "originally featured"
"There was originally a recessed areaway next to the building, which was enclosed by a fence, but the fence was removed in 1915 when the areaway was infilled." – "A recessed areaway (or area?) next to the building was infilled in 1915, and the fence enclosing it was removed."
"hexagonal in shape." – "in shape" seems redundant. Though removing it would make the shortened clause a bit awkward. Try reword to something else, like "The building retains its original hexagonal shingles".
"The retail space does not retain its original finishes; as of 2024, it has a carpeted floor; gypsum, glass, and wood partitions; gypsum exterior walls; and a dropped ceiling." – a bit too much semicolons here and I understand they are substitutes for commas. But I might suggest rewording to: "The retail space, no longer retaining its original finishes, now includes a carpeted floor with gypsum, glass, and wood partitions, gypsum exterior walls, and a dropped ceiling."
Whoops, I forgot that this was supposed to be two sentences. I've reworded this more cleanly - it has a carpeted floor, gypsum exterior walls, a dropped ceiling, and gypsum/glass/wood partitions.
Epicgenius (
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15:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)reply
" The southern portion of the ground floor contains a small residential lobby, which is accessed from Reade Street." – removed "which is"
I note the repetition of "gypsum" in the interior subsection, and to be honest, I rather summarised somewhere in a paragraph that the building interior is largely made of gypsum, including the walls, floors etc on (almost) every floor. The primary material, yeah.
I'm thinking about the best way to go about this. Some of the spaces contain other materials too, but you're right that it might just be best to summarize the info about building materials.
Epicgenius (
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15:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)reply
"combined their properties" – "merged their properties".
"making 287 Broadway less attractive as a commercial structure." – Might reword to "decreasing 287 Broadway's attractiveness as a commercial structure"
"The Gindi family, which still owned the building, opposed the designation." – any reasons why?
I could not find a specific reason. However, many landlords tend to oppose landmark designation; due to NYC Landmark law, a landmark designation would make it more difficult for the landlord to modify their building in the future.
Epicgenius (
talk)
15:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)reply
"ordered that the building be vacated" – "ordered the evacuation of the building."
"The tilt was corrected by the early 2010s, after the building at 57 Reade Street was completed" – no need for comma. Also might suggest "after the completion of the 57 Reade Street building".
"Workers installed timber bracing on the south wall of the building.[12][46] Steel shoring was added on the southern wall in 2008, replacing the timber bracing" – seems repetitive here. Maybe reword like "Workers installed timber bracing on the south wall of the building, which was replaced by steel shoring in 2008."
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A fact from 287 Broadway appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 May 2024 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that 287 Broadway was once called "the most succulent cast-iron street-show in all New York"?
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
ALT3: ... that 287 Broadway was once called "the most succulent cast-iron street-show in all New York"? Source: White, Norval; Willensky, Elliot; Leadon, Fran (2010). AIA Guide to New York City (5th ed.). New York: Oxford University Press. p. 84
Newly 5x expanded. Article is well-sourced, presentable, neutral, and BLP-compliant. Earwig looks fine and no close paraphrasing was detected. Images are freely licensed. The hooks are all cited and interesting. The hook image renders well. For ALT3 and the related quote in the article, the version of the AIA Guide that I'm looking at reads "
most succulent cast-iron street-show in all New York". QPQs are needed. Excellent article.
gobonobo+c16:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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This looks well-written on first glance. Let me note any nitpicks.
"Inside, the ground story contains retail space, while the second through sixth stories contain a total of ten apartments." – "The ground floor houses retail space, while the second through sixth floors accommodate ten apartments". I think "a total of" is redundant.
Per
MOS:NUMERAL, with the exception of the lead, I would try avoiding starting sentences with "287 Broadway", such as at the beginning of the "Site" section.
I understand the reasoning for this and would normally agree. However, MOS:NUMERAL also says that "proper names, technical terms and the like" may remain unchanged. In this case, 287 Broadway is the most common name for this building; it doesn't have an alternative name, so "287 Broadway" is the proper name as well.
Epicgenius (
talk)
15:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)reply
"The ground-level facade originally contained flat-arched openings" – "originally featured"
"There was originally a recessed areaway next to the building, which was enclosed by a fence, but the fence was removed in 1915 when the areaway was infilled." – "A recessed areaway (or area?) next to the building was infilled in 1915, and the fence enclosing it was removed."
"hexagonal in shape." – "in shape" seems redundant. Though removing it would make the shortened clause a bit awkward. Try reword to something else, like "The building retains its original hexagonal shingles".
"The retail space does not retain its original finishes; as of 2024, it has a carpeted floor; gypsum, glass, and wood partitions; gypsum exterior walls; and a dropped ceiling." – a bit too much semicolons here and I understand they are substitutes for commas. But I might suggest rewording to: "The retail space, no longer retaining its original finishes, now includes a carpeted floor with gypsum, glass, and wood partitions, gypsum exterior walls, and a dropped ceiling."
Whoops, I forgot that this was supposed to be two sentences. I've reworded this more cleanly - it has a carpeted floor, gypsum exterior walls, a dropped ceiling, and gypsum/glass/wood partitions.
Epicgenius (
talk)
15:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)reply
" The southern portion of the ground floor contains a small residential lobby, which is accessed from Reade Street." – removed "which is"
I note the repetition of "gypsum" in the interior subsection, and to be honest, I rather summarised somewhere in a paragraph that the building interior is largely made of gypsum, including the walls, floors etc on (almost) every floor. The primary material, yeah.
I'm thinking about the best way to go about this. Some of the spaces contain other materials too, but you're right that it might just be best to summarize the info about building materials.
Epicgenius (
talk)
15:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)reply
"combined their properties" – "merged their properties".
"making 287 Broadway less attractive as a commercial structure." – Might reword to "decreasing 287 Broadway's attractiveness as a commercial structure"
"The Gindi family, which still owned the building, opposed the designation." – any reasons why?
I could not find a specific reason. However, many landlords tend to oppose landmark designation; due to NYC Landmark law, a landmark designation would make it more difficult for the landlord to modify their building in the future.
Epicgenius (
talk)
15:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)reply
"ordered that the building be vacated" – "ordered the evacuation of the building."
"The tilt was corrected by the early 2010s, after the building at 57 Reade Street was completed" – no need for comma. Also might suggest "after the completion of the 57 Reade Street building".
"Workers installed timber bracing on the south wall of the building.[12][46] Steel shoring was added on the southern wall in 2008, replacing the timber bracing" – seems repetitive here. Maybe reword like "Workers installed timber bracing on the south wall of the building, which was replaced by steel shoring in 2008."
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.