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Just leaving a note here to acknowledge that even though this is the 23rd ceremony in the history of these awards, much of the media coverage is actively referring to it as the 22nd gala Québec Cinéma — see, for example, this hit. That doesn't appear to just be a typo on their part, either, because virtually all other media hits are doing the same, and I can't find any hits referring to it as the 23rd gala. So I've double and triple checked our past articles about the first 22 to determine whether we accidentally skipped a number, and we haven't. But even more importantly, last year's livestreamed webcast, which is currently occupying the 22nd position in our set of articles, was also referred to the media as the "22nd" awards at the time (see e.g. here), and was definitely never called the "21st" awards at all.
I haven't found a source to officially confirm this, but for the time being my working theory has been that because last year's covidified ceremony was a livestream instead of a traditional gala, the organization decided that it didn't count as a real "gala", and thus this year's presentation is the "22nd" gala instead of the "23rd" gala because last year's awards weren't a physical "gala". Which would be ridiculous, but it's all I've got. I don't know what to do about this — I don't think we should knock the 2020 ceremony to some unordinated title while keeping all of the others ordinated, so if this 22e thing persists we may have to consider moving them all to "[YYYY]" instead of "#st" to get around the problem. Bearcat ( talk) 17:16, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
Due to an off-wiki issue created by the actual topic of the articles itself, there's now a permanent titling problem which needs some discussion about how to handle it because there's no simple or straightforward answer. I've already posted to the talk page of WP:FILM for some outside guidance on this, but in two weeks I've only been able to get participation from one other person, and that's not good enough — this needs input and resolution. Bearcat ( talk) 14:25, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
As of last year, all of our articles about the Jutra/Iris ceremonies, up to and including the 22nd Quebec Cinema Awards, were ordinated correctly per the ordinal number assigned by their media coverage at the time. However, because last year's award gala was cancelled for the obvious reason and replaced on the fly with a webcast to announce the winners, Québec Cinéma now seems to have retroactively decided that it didn't count as a "gala" — and so instead of calling this years' ceremony the 23rd gala because it's being held the year after the 22nd awards, they seem to have kicked last year's not-a-gala out of line so that they can call this year's awards the 22nd gala. Basically, even though last year's awards were called the 22nd at the time, they now seem to have declared that last year was a special outlier, not to be ordinated at all because they're counting "number of times that physical galas have been held in an auditorium" instead of "number of times that awards have been given out".
But what that means is that we're now out of phase with the "official" numbering of the awards: the upcoming 2021 ceremony is the 23rd time that awards have been presented, but is officially now the 22nd awards because it will be only the 22nd time there's been an actual public event instead of just a livestream.
So I don't know what to do about this:
I'll note that the sole participant in the original WP:FILM discussion favoured option 2, but only one person weighing in isn't enough to proceed. I personally consider options 1 and 3 to be non-starters, and would prefer either 2 (best case) or 4 (worse, but still not as bad as 1 or 3), but I don't want to decide this arbitrarily without broader input. Essentially, there's no answer here that isn't less than ideal, so it's just a question of what's the least bad option.
Any ideas? Bearcat ( talk) 14:25, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
And then, after all of last year's bullshit, they numbered the 2022 awards as the 24th, vitiating the problem since that retroactively makes 2021 the 23rd after all. Nice job, guys. Bearcat ( talk) 21:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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Just leaving a note here to acknowledge that even though this is the 23rd ceremony in the history of these awards, much of the media coverage is actively referring to it as the 22nd gala Québec Cinéma — see, for example, this hit. That doesn't appear to just be a typo on their part, either, because virtually all other media hits are doing the same, and I can't find any hits referring to it as the 23rd gala. So I've double and triple checked our past articles about the first 22 to determine whether we accidentally skipped a number, and we haven't. But even more importantly, last year's livestreamed webcast, which is currently occupying the 22nd position in our set of articles, was also referred to the media as the "22nd" awards at the time (see e.g. here), and was definitely never called the "21st" awards at all.
I haven't found a source to officially confirm this, but for the time being my working theory has been that because last year's covidified ceremony was a livestream instead of a traditional gala, the organization decided that it didn't count as a real "gala", and thus this year's presentation is the "22nd" gala instead of the "23rd" gala because last year's awards weren't a physical "gala". Which would be ridiculous, but it's all I've got. I don't know what to do about this — I don't think we should knock the 2020 ceremony to some unordinated title while keeping all of the others ordinated, so if this 22e thing persists we may have to consider moving them all to "[YYYY]" instead of "#st" to get around the problem. Bearcat ( talk) 17:16, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
Due to an off-wiki issue created by the actual topic of the articles itself, there's now a permanent titling problem which needs some discussion about how to handle it because there's no simple or straightforward answer. I've already posted to the talk page of WP:FILM for some outside guidance on this, but in two weeks I've only been able to get participation from one other person, and that's not good enough — this needs input and resolution. Bearcat ( talk) 14:25, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
As of last year, all of our articles about the Jutra/Iris ceremonies, up to and including the 22nd Quebec Cinema Awards, were ordinated correctly per the ordinal number assigned by their media coverage at the time. However, because last year's award gala was cancelled for the obvious reason and replaced on the fly with a webcast to announce the winners, Québec Cinéma now seems to have retroactively decided that it didn't count as a "gala" — and so instead of calling this years' ceremony the 23rd gala because it's being held the year after the 22nd awards, they seem to have kicked last year's not-a-gala out of line so that they can call this year's awards the 22nd gala. Basically, even though last year's awards were called the 22nd at the time, they now seem to have declared that last year was a special outlier, not to be ordinated at all because they're counting "number of times that physical galas have been held in an auditorium" instead of "number of times that awards have been given out".
But what that means is that we're now out of phase with the "official" numbering of the awards: the upcoming 2021 ceremony is the 23rd time that awards have been presented, but is officially now the 22nd awards because it will be only the 22nd time there's been an actual public event instead of just a livestream.
So I don't know what to do about this:
I'll note that the sole participant in the original WP:FILM discussion favoured option 2, but only one person weighing in isn't enough to proceed. I personally consider options 1 and 3 to be non-starters, and would prefer either 2 (best case) or 4 (worse, but still not as bad as 1 or 3), but I don't want to decide this arbitrarily without broader input. Essentially, there's no answer here that isn't less than ideal, so it's just a question of what's the least bad option.
Any ideas? Bearcat ( talk) 14:25, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
And then, after all of last year's bullshit, they numbered the 2022 awards as the 24th, vitiating the problem since that retroactively makes 2021 the 23rd after all. Nice job, guys. Bearcat ( talk) 21:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)