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Riccardo received 5 points from the Miami Sprint Race, not 4 as listed on the subscript in the Championship standings. His total points are correct, but the subscript is incorrect. https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/2024_08_mon_f1_r0_timing_driverschampionship_v01.pdf Cheesyc ( talk) 21:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

The subscript is correct. The subscript in the championship standings table show his position in the sprint race (4th), not the number of points he scored (5). SSSB ( talk) 21:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Why is Bearman on the World Drivers' Championship standings list, but not Lawson? 203.211.73.151 ( talk) 00:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• Which race did Lawson compete in? 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 02:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Can we have the qualifying dates added in the calendar? I believe we can make it more informative that way. Ty Aposof ( talk) 18:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Why? It's fairly common knowledge that qualifying takes place the day before the race (this being consistent across most race series) and if someone is unsure, the appropriate place to check would be the wiki page on the actual race, not the season. SSSB ( talk) 19:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Would it harm if I added them? I am still learning to code on wikipedia articles and I'd like to see how it turns out. Aposof ( talk) 13:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Try it in your sandbox (copy and paste the table over). My issue is that it unnecessarily adds width to the table. If people not knowing when qualifying happens is an issue, it makes more sense to add a note above the table: "Qualiifying takes places the day before the Grand Prix"; problem solved. SSSB ( talk) 13:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Yeah I think adding the text note above is a good solution. Thanks Aposof ( talk) 14:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I can't see the point of it, and technically it is original research. Reverted. -- Scjessey ( talk) 16:05, 16 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I'm not particulary fussing whether we include it or not. I don't think it is necessary, but what's the harm in including it. The sporting regulations do lay out the timings of when each event takes place. It used to say things like "on the second day of track running, qualifying will take place." "The Grand Prix must start no earlier than 21 hours after the scheduled end of qualifying, and no later than 26 hours after the scheduled end of qualifying". I'm sure they still do, but am not sure if the wording is secure enough for us to reference it without it being WP:OR (using the second quote would be WP:OR, becuase the scheduled end of quali could be 1am, and the race start at 11pm, same day.) In any case, I'm sure a formula one for dummies style guide exists somewhere specifying this. SSSB ( talk) 16:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Absolutely no need to start including the dates for other sessions. If any change is made, it should be to change the date in the calendar from that of the race to a range of the entire Grand Prix weekend. 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 01:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Island92: You are incorrect about the grammar of round vs rounds in this edit. The phrase "round 3 and 10" is grammatically incorrect, it should be "rounds 3 and 10". See this example and this example. Cerebral726 (talk) 15:44, 21 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Sauber is expected to enter other rounds as Kick Sauber F1 Team, as was the case in 2023. Hence why not putting rounds 3, 10? Island92 ( talk) 15:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC) reply

The future is entirely irrelevant to you breaking the grammar. We're currently at 2. Later it can read "rounds 3, 10, and 15" or whatever, but the sentence will still need "rounds". Also Kick Sauber didn't exist in 2023, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Cerebral726 (talk) 15:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Oh, are you referring to this? Where it also says "rounds"? Cerebral726 (talk) 15:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Yes, the point is that Stake is not allowed in some countries, that's why it's omitted. Where it's omitted, Sauber enter as Kick Sauber F1 Team in 2024. Island92 ( talk) 16:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Okay, yes, but the problem we are discussing is with the word "rounds"? Why do you insist on making it incorrectly "round" for this page? It is nonsensical. it is not even what is in the previous year, which is what you seem to be hung up on. Cerebral726 (talk) 16:03, 21 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Corrected. Island92 ( talk) 16:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Not entirely relevant to this page in specific, but there wasn't any other place I'd put it.

Saying, for example, " Lewis Hamilton of Mercedes" makes it so a lot of space is needed just because the name of the teams needs mentioning, while an easier approach would be to use an icon, made into a template so it's easier to use: " Lewis Hamilton" or " Alexander Albon"

Now there are some problems with this such as it being expensive to load. I'd leave it up to you to check the trade-offs. Mohammad.darg ( talk) 08:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

This only works if everyone knows what these symbols mean. Which they don't. Only F1 fans will reconginse Williams logo. Does anyone know what Toleman's logo was? I don't think so. The only positive is that it saves a small bit of space. The negatives are endless. SSSB ( talk) 09:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Any question of whether or not this is good for users is irrelevant, there's simply no way this would be compliant with licensing requirements. 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 09:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

It is compliant. We already have the logos in the articles for the Constructors. SSSB ( talk) 10:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

What on earth are you talking about? Please re-read WP:Non-free content and WP:Logos as this is unequivocally prohibited. 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 10:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

It is not "unequivocal". This is not as black-and-white as you make it out to be, after all, all the logos appear on the Wikipedia pages of the respective constructors ( Scuderia Ferrari contains the Ferrari logo). From WP:LOGOS: "long standing consensus is that it is acceptable for Wikipedia to use logos belonging to others for encyclopedic purposes". Several of the logos contain the statement "This logo image consists only of simple geometric shapes or text. It does not meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection, and is therefore in the public domain." ( File:Logo Williams F1.png as an example) and all the others could arguable be allowed under the Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. The only reasons to argue that it wouldn't be allowed under would be because it doesn't fufill criteria #3 and #8 under Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria#Policy. But again, this is something that could be debated. It is not unequivocal. SSSB ( talk) 11:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

That is a shocking misrepresentation of policy and not something I would normally expect from you. Such use of logos is clearly not minimal as required for the use of non-free content, and is clearly very replaceable (by prose). Again, such use of logos is very explicitly disallowed. 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 12:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

On the contrary, you appear to be the one not understanding the situation. The vast majority of these logos is not subject to copyright simply because they don‘t pass the trehold of originality. Those files are in the public domain and the non-free content simply doesn‘t apply to them. They aren‘t non-free. For the few that are, stricter limitations do apply. There are other more important reasons why this proposals are unworkable though. T v x1 16:25, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

That's a moot point, since the Red Bull, RB, Ferrari, and Aston Martin logos unambiguously do pass the threshold of originality, and depending on which version you want to use the Kick Sauber and Mercedes may do as well. They are non-free. So unless you're seriously proposing only doing this only for 50% of the teams (which would be comically stupid) then it does not even slightly matter if a few of them aren't subject to policies on non-free use, no matter how poorly you interpret copyright policies. 5225_C ( talk •  contributions) 07:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose as we should we using names not logos, as just logos violates the MOS, and names are easier for casual readers to understand. Also, some of the logos are likely copyrighted, and so this also violates WP:Image policy. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 09:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose: Fails MOS:NOICONS and is a total non-starter for that reason. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 20:49, 24 June 2024 (UTC) reply

• I agree, clear MOS violation. -- Cerebral726 (talk) 12:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply