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It's currently not being considered a terrorist attack, and other recent mass shootings all use shooting in the title. Any reason why this one should be titled differently? Otherwise move to 2022 Brooklyn subway shooting. BBC and NYT refer to it as a shooting, USA Today uses both attack and shooting. -- jonas ( talk) 17:28, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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In the Aftermath section I think there is too much detail about the service closures. I haven’t removed anything relating to it but I believe that it can stay as just stating which services were delayed or temporarily closed. Grey13z ( talk) 00:24, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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Change "several undetonated devices" to "two non-detonated smoke grenades". The initial quote is no longer in the article as more information has come to light. There were initially rumours of explosives but "there were no known active explosive devices on the train." (From the same article.) Piman10 ( talk) 03:16, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
A .380 caliber handgun was not used. The NYPD Chief of Detectives said it was a 9mm. Raymond Spencer ( talk) 03:41, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
We need a new photo, like one of the crime scene at least. An irrelevant picture from seven years ago is lame. HumanHistory1 ( talk) 11:22, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, one with people affected on the day itself must, by its nature, fulfil those criteria better than the others, which are more distant from the topic. SN54129 12:58, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
I’ve noticed that whenever a station is mentioned, someone has added ‘the’ in front of it (e.g. the 25th street station) and I think that it would be more suitable without the ‘the’. Grey13z ( talk) 13:50, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
I made an account to point this out, so I can't make the edit while this article is protected, but can someone change the line about the mayor's security detail being "beefed up" to something that's a bit more professional language? Hemohobgoblin ( talk) 15:44, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
A small point to note but I think the wording around Uber and Lyft could be better. It sounds like the article is saying they were "accused" of giving customers refunds. Also, surge pricing happens automatically when the supply is higher than the demand. The article makes it sounds like the surges were orchestrated in some way. CroissantAvenue ( talk) 17:38, 13 April 2022 (UTC)Croissant Avenue
The article erroneously states that there were “29 casualties.” Please correct 2601:14A:C001:33D0:D986:33DC:B44A:21C6 ( talk) 22:40, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Article states that Frank R. James is 5' 5". Photos of his arrest by New York Police Department have been released. In these photos he looks much taller, unless NYPD has a lot of 4' 11" cops. Lyttle-Wight ( talk) 01:42, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't Frank James motivations having Black nationalist beliefs be included in the articles. There are reliable sources available as you see in these sources [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]. Dwanyewest ( talk) 01:52, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
It could be more political than racial. I don't know, but politics could be a factor Brookline Fire buff ( talk) 16:41, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Consensus has been reached to include his black nationalist and racist ties in the lede as well as the article. It's been added. Innican Soufou ( talk) 19:28, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Neutrality:@ Innican Soufou: Please, no more reverts to this article right now. Use this page to establish consensus. Given that we are in a cycle of this content being added and removed, we clearly do not have consensus either way. Please both discuss here without further implementing your desired changes. MIDI ( talk) 18:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
The expression "black nationalist" is used in multiple reliable sources to describe James. I don't know why that requires "consensus" for inclusion. WWGB ( talk) 07:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
He was a member of the Nation of Islam was he not, a racist Black Supremacist organisation. Why is this not in the article? Rustygecko ( talk) 23:49, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Why does the infobox say "Part of mass shootings in the United States"? Mass shootings in the US are sporadic and unrelated acts of violence, not a coordinated terrorist campaign or an ongoing war, which is what the "Part of" section in that infobox is reserved for. That addition seems strange to me. -- DannyC55 ( Talk) 05:03, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
I was checking through the article, just fixing a couple things and saw that most of the stuff in the suspect section seems more suitable in the investigation section, as a lot of it seems more relevant to the investigation than the subject. Grey13z ( talk) 11:09, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
It seems as if the current selected comments are incredibly poor given the scope of this attack. For the time being unless something further is revealed regrding his motives, the quotes should primarily focus on any comments he made about killing people and/or any comments he made regarding supporting/enginging in terrorism, since these are the things he is specificlly being charged with/ccused of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C44:701B:300:6C30:45A9:CBF7:79C2 ( talk) 15:44, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Re: Frank R. James. Seems to be reported as August 8, 1959. But not quite good enough sources. Are not police reports, arrest reports, etc., publicly available somewhere? I assume they'd list his Date of Birth. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 17:59, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
This article's title is ambiguous, because the death of Michelle Go was also an attack on the NYC Subway in 2022. This article's title should be moved to 2022 New York City Subway shooting, April 2022 New York City Subway attack or 2022 Brooklyn attack. Jim Michael ( talk) 20:21, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
I think 2022 Brooklyn Attack or 2022 Brooklyn Subway Attack. Grey13z ( talk) 21:26, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
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It's currently not being considered a terrorist attack, and other recent mass shootings all use shooting in the title. Any reason why this one should be titled differently? Otherwise move to 2022 Brooklyn subway shooting. BBC and NYT refer to it as a shooting, USA Today uses both attack and shooting. -- jonas ( talk) 17:28, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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Steel1943 (
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In the Aftermath section I think there is too much detail about the service closures. I haven’t removed anything relating to it but I believe that it can stay as just stating which services were delayed or temporarily closed. Grey13z ( talk) 00:24, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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Change "several undetonated devices" to "two non-detonated smoke grenades". The initial quote is no longer in the article as more information has come to light. There were initially rumours of explosives but "there were no known active explosive devices on the train." (From the same article.) Piman10 ( talk) 03:16, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
A .380 caliber handgun was not used. The NYPD Chief of Detectives said it was a 9mm. Raymond Spencer ( talk) 03:41, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
We need a new photo, like one of the crime scene at least. An irrelevant picture from seven years ago is lame. HumanHistory1 ( talk) 11:22, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, one with people affected on the day itself must, by its nature, fulfil those criteria better than the others, which are more distant from the topic. SN54129 12:58, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
I’ve noticed that whenever a station is mentioned, someone has added ‘the’ in front of it (e.g. the 25th street station) and I think that it would be more suitable without the ‘the’. Grey13z ( talk) 13:50, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
I made an account to point this out, so I can't make the edit while this article is protected, but can someone change the line about the mayor's security detail being "beefed up" to something that's a bit more professional language? Hemohobgoblin ( talk) 15:44, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
A small point to note but I think the wording around Uber and Lyft could be better. It sounds like the article is saying they were "accused" of giving customers refunds. Also, surge pricing happens automatically when the supply is higher than the demand. The article makes it sounds like the surges were orchestrated in some way. CroissantAvenue ( talk) 17:38, 13 April 2022 (UTC)Croissant Avenue
The article erroneously states that there were “29 casualties.” Please correct 2601:14A:C001:33D0:D986:33DC:B44A:21C6 ( talk) 22:40, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Article states that Frank R. James is 5' 5". Photos of his arrest by New York Police Department have been released. In these photos he looks much taller, unless NYPD has a lot of 4' 11" cops. Lyttle-Wight ( talk) 01:42, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't Frank James motivations having Black nationalist beliefs be included in the articles. There are reliable sources available as you see in these sources [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]. Dwanyewest ( talk) 01:52, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
It could be more political than racial. I don't know, but politics could be a factor Brookline Fire buff ( talk) 16:41, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Consensus has been reached to include his black nationalist and racist ties in the lede as well as the article. It's been added. Innican Soufou ( talk) 19:28, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Neutrality:@ Innican Soufou: Please, no more reverts to this article right now. Use this page to establish consensus. Given that we are in a cycle of this content being added and removed, we clearly do not have consensus either way. Please both discuss here without further implementing your desired changes. MIDI ( talk) 18:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
The expression "black nationalist" is used in multiple reliable sources to describe James. I don't know why that requires "consensus" for inclusion. WWGB ( talk) 07:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
He was a member of the Nation of Islam was he not, a racist Black Supremacist organisation. Why is this not in the article? Rustygecko ( talk) 23:49, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Why does the infobox say "Part of mass shootings in the United States"? Mass shootings in the US are sporadic and unrelated acts of violence, not a coordinated terrorist campaign or an ongoing war, which is what the "Part of" section in that infobox is reserved for. That addition seems strange to me. -- DannyC55 ( Talk) 05:03, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
I was checking through the article, just fixing a couple things and saw that most of the stuff in the suspect section seems more suitable in the investigation section, as a lot of it seems more relevant to the investigation than the subject. Grey13z ( talk) 11:09, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
It seems as if the current selected comments are incredibly poor given the scope of this attack. For the time being unless something further is revealed regrding his motives, the quotes should primarily focus on any comments he made about killing people and/or any comments he made regarding supporting/enginging in terrorism, since these are the things he is specificlly being charged with/ccused of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C44:701B:300:6C30:45A9:CBF7:79C2 ( talk) 15:44, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Re: Frank R. James. Seems to be reported as August 8, 1959. But not quite good enough sources. Are not police reports, arrest reports, etc., publicly available somewhere? I assume they'd list his Date of Birth. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 17:59, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
This article's title is ambiguous, because the death of Michelle Go was also an attack on the NYC Subway in 2022. This article's title should be moved to 2022 New York City Subway shooting, April 2022 New York City Subway attack or 2022 Brooklyn attack. Jim Michael ( talk) 20:21, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
I think 2022 Brooklyn Attack or 2022 Brooklyn Subway Attack. Grey13z ( talk) 21:26, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
The redirect
2022 New York City Subway massacre has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 2 § 2022 New York City Subway massacre until a consensus is reached.
Fram (
talk) 09:29, 2 May 2023 (UTC)