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Strictly speaking, we don't know if this is an "attack" yet; the Russians say a truck blew up, and I don't think the Ukrainians have admitted responsibility yet. Suggest this be called "2022 Crimean Bridge explosion" for now. 331dot ( talk) 07:44, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
This wasn't just a truck that exploded, this was a truck bomb. Don't play around with words. This is terrorism. 202.9.47.143 ( talk) 08:20, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Video that I've seen makes me doubt it was a truck bombing at all, it looked like a missile strike. Damage is also inconsistent with a truck bombing. Ukraine previously stated it may strike the bridge with a missile. Yet all of this is unverifiable at the moment, which is why the Russian state media explanation remains alongside everything else. Dionysus240 ( talk) 08:40, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
331dot I could see it being an unmanned watercraft. By missile I mean any aerial missile including but not limited to from aircraft, drones, etc... I only assumed this to be the case because they've spoken openly about it before. Luroe, we can't really claim that there's video of any type of attack when our perspective of the explosion is obscure. We can't tell if it's from the truck, but I was just doubting it. I'm not ruling it out and it's not my place to rule it out. Dionysus240 ( talk) 10:57, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
An unmanned boat was found not that long ago on a a beach in Crimea I believe. So an unmanned boat seems mostly, a suicide truck bomber is absolutely ludicrous. Besides the earliest days of the war there have been no reported suicide bombings by the Ukrainians. The Introvert Next To You ( talk) 14:18, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Watching the videos of the explosion available, and seeing how the debris behave shows for me, that the center was not on the road, but lower next to it, making the boat source more likely. Is it only me who seeing it? I do not find "experts" saying anything about disproving the Russian version of "truck bomb". JSoos ( talk) 08:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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Was it on Ukrainian or Russian waters? 2A02:AA1:162C:240:C267:A971:69E8:7DE5 ( talk) 10:27, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
The article's coordinates points at the "inner" (southwest) roadway (direction southeast, nearest to the rail bridge), but the photos show that the "outer" (northeast) roadway (direction northwest) has collapsed on the Taman Bay side. The roadway is partially re-opened to traffic, indicating that the "inner" roadway is operational. This is only possible if the impact happened on the "outer" (northeast) roadway.
The article says that the truck came from the Taman side - we don't know that, all we can say is that the impact happened on the outer roadway. The truck could have come from the Crimean side, and then turned around at one of the inter-roadway switch points used for redirecting traffic into opposite lanes after ordinary traffic accidents. A single-side diversion can be seen on Tuzla Island at (45°16'20.3"N 36°32'42.9"E . 45.272295 N, 36.545257 E) .
I have not found references for this, but these are basic observations that should be readily verifiable. TGCP ( talk) 21:56, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Should we classify it in this page as a state terrorism act or mention it as such? Luroe ( talk) 10:40, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
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The bridge was indeed a vital supply line for the Russian military (btw here is video from a week ago). And given the extent of Russian attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure throughout the war, including last two weeks of escalation over Ukrainian success which included attack on Dam, power stations [1] and missile strikes in Zaporizhzhia which killed dozens of civilians, I find Russian claims of terrorisms to be cynical and self serving. -- Nilsol2 ( talk) 09:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Under "Reaction", it should be noted that the Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Reinsalu has congratulated Ukraine with the operation.
https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/estonian-fm-congratulates-ukraine-on-allegedly-hitting-crimean-bridge-estonia-latest-tweet-by-the-kyiv-independent-4304427.html Joreberg ( talk) 12:17, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
The bolded section in "Vladimir Konstantinov, a Russian-installed leader in Crimea, accused Ukraine of responsibility" should be removed or replaced with a more neutral (for lack of a better word) description. Konstantinov's position as head of government of Crimea precedes the Russian annexation, so this is inaccurate and somewhat biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.248.170 ( talk) 14:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
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"Three years before the disaster" is the current phrase used, where I'd suggest "event" or "incident" or just "explosion" would be more neutral and factual instead of "disaster", which implies widespread or accidental damage. -- FlagFreak talk 17:19, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
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The identity of the victim driving in a car beside the truck is significant. He was Sergey Maslov who was sitting over an extremely sensitive case involving Ramzan Kadyrov's family. I attempted to add this to the article - but it is not editable - could someone with access add this pertinent information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.145.247.5 ( talk) 04:10, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph, change "two half-sections of the road bridge collapsed" to "two sections of the Crimea-bound half of the road bridge collapsed" (corresponding to the description in the Event section). 213.233.110.47 ( talk) 06:42, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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Minor, but the intro mentions 6:07 AM as the time, but under the Event sub-head it mentions 6:05 AM. I assume these should match, that two different events 2 minutes apart aren't being described?
"On 8 October 2022, at 6:07 a.m., a fire broke out on the Crimean Bridge as a result of an explosion", and
"The press service of the Crimea Railway stated that at 6:05 am the equipment showed an error on the railway tracks"
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In an interview today on BBC Radio 2, SAS soldier Robin Horsfall suggested this was a robot submarine attack. There is video footage on twitter from 8 October 2022 which seems to show a craft moving under the bridge before the attack. Further, there has been engineering analysis by @truth_tesla that determines the explosion took place 1 to 4 metres under the road surface. [See their timeline.]
Links:
Video 1
https://twitter.com/herooftheday10/status/1578712861810970626?s=20&t=vtuyXBBJMbb-T6LNGW9eIg
Video 2
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1578711005684563969?s=20&t=vtuyXBBJMbb-T6LNGW9eIg
Robin Horsfalls LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:share:6984569053029744641
Selected tweet from @truth_tesla [series of photos and analysis]
https://twitter.com/truth_tesla/status/1579065791307468800?s=20&t=lWd9uF0HGn_rvuJgrfIrTw
Putin ordered the Russian investigation and its truck bomb theory is disputed.
David Crayford ☎ 13:13, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
The official Russian claim of a truck bomb is also unreliable for me, as the first videos of the explosion showing the truck climbing on the elevated arch bridge section, however spans collapsed, shown on satellite images, are quite far from that scene. JSoos ( talk) 07:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
To add to this article: it has been reported that the truck carrying the truck bomb seems to have come from the Russian side, from the region of Krasnodar. 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 23:41, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
This is clearly a lie, the sourcing is from BBC where they say "The railway part of the bridge - where oil tankers caught fire - has also apparently reopened." Not very definitive at all... Further, video has come out that shows how the rail line has been deformed by the immense heat generated by the fire The rail line clearly is not serviceable at this time and won't be for quite some time considering the damage seen in the video 2601:600:9681:4C50:795B:D828:7E53:610 ( talk) 07:19, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Could the lead be rephrased to remove the passive wording "a fire broke out..." Is it better to say something like an explosion occurred that caused a fire? Mr Ernie ( talk) 13:53, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
If the FSB claims that two trucks were used in transporting the explosives then please clarify that in the text. Because right now it reads like the FSB released X-rays of THE truck, which plainly wrong because the released x-ray scan isn't of the truck that entered the Crimean bridge on the day of the explosion. -- Nilsol2 ( talk) 14:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm sorry if this comes across as WP:FORUMy but do I understand the article correctly? Russian sources are asserting a vehicle bomb was able to dislodge three sections of the easternmost roadway, leave the center roadway untouched, and still get so hot that rail tanker cars ignited on the rail-bridge 100 meters or so away? Am I the only reader who thinks this narrative unlikely? Is there any sourcing about the explosion itself? BusterD ( talk) 15:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved per general consensus — JFG talk 13:34, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
2022 Crimean Bridge explosion → Crimean Bridge explosion – Hi everyone! Since this was the first and the only explosion occurred to the bridge, and according to WP:CRYSTALBALL, the page should be renamed removing 2022 like the French [2]; the Russian [3] and the Ukranian [4] Wikis. Nicola Romani ( talk) 05:17, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
in a majority of cases. Besides removing the date without considering the WP:10YEARTEST test and WP:RECENTISM, and besides making this title less WP:CONSISTENT with others, removing the year makes the title less WP:RECOGNIZABLE to the reader. As a sidenote, what other wikis do with their article titles is irrelevant to this discussion, since we do not share article title guidelines and naming conventions. Pilaz ( talk) 14:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
There's been a claim going around the internet that the x-ray photos are an obvious fake because they don't match the truck that blew up. However, the original release of the photos did not claim they were from the truck that blew up, but rather a separate truck that was used to transport the trailer into Russia.
This whole claimed narrative is no more legitimate than anything else the FSB puts out, of course, but the "x-ray discrepancy" evidence is just misinformation on top of disinformation. It's "disproving" a claim that the FSB never actually made. We should correct this section of the article so as not to continue spreading this mistaken claim.
Here is one potential source we could use:
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-russias-fsb-share-fake-x-ray-crimea-bridge-blast-truck-1751118
If anyone has better information, please correct me though! SmoothAmber ( talk) 17:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
In "Effect on Russian Forces", it is claimed that "rail traffic [resumed] almost immediately", and then a few sentences later it's said that " Various analysts said on 10 October that trains would likely cross the bridge at reduced speed and loads.".
I looked at the sources cited for the section, and it seems like the claim that traffic was almost immediately restored comes from the Russian Deputy Prime Minister saying that traffic on the bridge was fully restored. An effort should be made to find out exactly when and how rail traffic was restored through a more reliable source. Harry Hinderson ( talk) 21:13, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
The quote attributed to Major General Dmitry Marchenko is marked as needing further detail. Sources that indicate the quote is from "an interview with Radio Liberty" on 16 June 2022 include: (1) The Odessa Journal -- https://odessa-journal.com/general-marchenko-kerch-bridge-is-the-military-target-number-one/ "General Marchenko: Kerch bridge is the military target number one", dated 16 June 2022. (2) Radio Svoboda, Ukrainian version of the same Odessa Journal article -- https://www.radiosvoboda.org/a/news-marchenko-kerchenskyi-mist/31899558.html (3) CNN in October -- https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/10/europe/russia-ukraine-strikes-crimea-bridge-analysis-cmd-intl (4) possibly also The Organization for World Peace -- https://theowp.org/ukrainian-general-targets-destruction-of-crimean-bridge/ PeteGaughan ( talk) 00:49, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Also an english source for the full restoration of rail traffic on the Bridge
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/05/russia-restores-rail-traffic-on-controversial-crimean-bridge-a81053 Nilsol2 ( talk) 20:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Several reputable articles from the New York Times and CNN mention the possibility that this was a suicide attack. Why is the word "suicide" not mentioned even a single time in this Wikipedia entry? I would hate to believe that the word "suicide" has been intentionally omitted or even scrubbed in order to avoid putting Ukraine in some sort of bad light, analogous to the suicide bombers who killed US Army service members and civilians over the past 2 decades. I can see the possibility of some people very sympathetic to Ukraine purposefully omitting or scrubbing the terms "suicide attack" or "suicide bombing" from this entry, in order to avoid off-putting American citizens trying to research more about the Ukrainian conflict, considering the general opinions of Americans on suicide bombings after 9/11, and the fact that so much financial and material support to Ukraine comes from America. I myself support Ukraine, but if there was a possibility this was a suicide attack, I believe that a nonpartisan and objective Wikipedia should include that possibility. And I still hold out hope for a nonpartisan and objective Wikipedia.
Relevant links:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/10/europe/russia-ukraine-strikes-crimea-bridge-analysis-cmd-intl/index.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/11/17/world/europe/crimea-bridge-collapse.html https://worldcrunch.com/opinion-analysis/kerch-bridge-suicide-attack 2603:8081:4401:8F93:514C:83D4:7EC8:7041 ( talk) 15:44, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Can we add 2023 Crimean Bridge explosion in the "see also" section at the end ? It's the case the other way around.
Article is protected, can't add that as a IP user. I'm also not sur article still need to be protected though. 178.23.152.132 ( talk) 08:32, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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Strictly speaking, we don't know if this is an "attack" yet; the Russians say a truck blew up, and I don't think the Ukrainians have admitted responsibility yet. Suggest this be called "2022 Crimean Bridge explosion" for now. 331dot ( talk) 07:44, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
This wasn't just a truck that exploded, this was a truck bomb. Don't play around with words. This is terrorism. 202.9.47.143 ( talk) 08:20, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Video that I've seen makes me doubt it was a truck bombing at all, it looked like a missile strike. Damage is also inconsistent with a truck bombing. Ukraine previously stated it may strike the bridge with a missile. Yet all of this is unverifiable at the moment, which is why the Russian state media explanation remains alongside everything else. Dionysus240 ( talk) 08:40, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
331dot I could see it being an unmanned watercraft. By missile I mean any aerial missile including but not limited to from aircraft, drones, etc... I only assumed this to be the case because they've spoken openly about it before. Luroe, we can't really claim that there's video of any type of attack when our perspective of the explosion is obscure. We can't tell if it's from the truck, but I was just doubting it. I'm not ruling it out and it's not my place to rule it out. Dionysus240 ( talk) 10:57, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
An unmanned boat was found not that long ago on a a beach in Crimea I believe. So an unmanned boat seems mostly, a suicide truck bomber is absolutely ludicrous. Besides the earliest days of the war there have been no reported suicide bombings by the Ukrainians. The Introvert Next To You ( talk) 14:18, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Watching the videos of the explosion available, and seeing how the debris behave shows for me, that the center was not on the road, but lower next to it, making the boat source more likely. Is it only me who seeing it? I do not find "experts" saying anything about disproving the Russian version of "truck bomb". JSoos ( talk) 08:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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Was it on Ukrainian or Russian waters? 2A02:AA1:162C:240:C267:A971:69E8:7DE5 ( talk) 10:27, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
The article's coordinates points at the "inner" (southwest) roadway (direction southeast, nearest to the rail bridge), but the photos show that the "outer" (northeast) roadway (direction northwest) has collapsed on the Taman Bay side. The roadway is partially re-opened to traffic, indicating that the "inner" roadway is operational. This is only possible if the impact happened on the "outer" (northeast) roadway.
The article says that the truck came from the Taman side - we don't know that, all we can say is that the impact happened on the outer roadway. The truck could have come from the Crimean side, and then turned around at one of the inter-roadway switch points used for redirecting traffic into opposite lanes after ordinary traffic accidents. A single-side diversion can be seen on Tuzla Island at (45°16'20.3"N 36°32'42.9"E . 45.272295 N, 36.545257 E) .
I have not found references for this, but these are basic observations that should be readily verifiable. TGCP ( talk) 21:56, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Should we classify it in this page as a state terrorism act or mention it as such? Luroe ( talk) 10:40, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
if213.233.88.64 ( talk) 11:32, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
The bridge was indeed a vital supply line for the Russian military (btw here is video from a week ago). And given the extent of Russian attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure throughout the war, including last two weeks of escalation over Ukrainian success which included attack on Dam, power stations [1] and missile strikes in Zaporizhzhia which killed dozens of civilians, I find Russian claims of terrorisms to be cynical and self serving. -- Nilsol2 ( talk) 09:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Under "Reaction", it should be noted that the Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Reinsalu has congratulated Ukraine with the operation.
https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/estonian-fm-congratulates-ukraine-on-allegedly-hitting-crimean-bridge-estonia-latest-tweet-by-the-kyiv-independent-4304427.html Joreberg ( talk) 12:17, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
The bolded section in "Vladimir Konstantinov, a Russian-installed leader in Crimea, accused Ukraine of responsibility" should be removed or replaced with a more neutral (for lack of a better word) description. Konstantinov's position as head of government of Crimea precedes the Russian annexation, so this is inaccurate and somewhat biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.248.170 ( talk) 14:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
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"Three years before the disaster" is the current phrase used, where I'd suggest "event" or "incident" or just "explosion" would be more neutral and factual instead of "disaster", which implies widespread or accidental damage. -- FlagFreak talk 17:19, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
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The identity of the victim driving in a car beside the truck is significant. He was Sergey Maslov who was sitting over an extremely sensitive case involving Ramzan Kadyrov's family. I attempted to add this to the article - but it is not editable - could someone with access add this pertinent information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.145.247.5 ( talk) 04:10, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph, change "two half-sections of the road bridge collapsed" to "two sections of the Crimea-bound half of the road bridge collapsed" (corresponding to the description in the Event section). 213.233.110.47 ( talk) 06:42, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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Minor, but the intro mentions 6:07 AM as the time, but under the Event sub-head it mentions 6:05 AM. I assume these should match, that two different events 2 minutes apart aren't being described?
"On 8 October 2022, at 6:07 a.m., a fire broke out on the Crimean Bridge as a result of an explosion", and
"The press service of the Crimea Railway stated that at 6:05 am the equipment showed an error on the railway tracks"
73.157.2.114 ( talk) 23:33, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
In an interview today on BBC Radio 2, SAS soldier Robin Horsfall suggested this was a robot submarine attack. There is video footage on twitter from 8 October 2022 which seems to show a craft moving under the bridge before the attack. Further, there has been engineering analysis by @truth_tesla that determines the explosion took place 1 to 4 metres under the road surface. [See their timeline.]
Links:
Video 1
https://twitter.com/herooftheday10/status/1578712861810970626?s=20&t=vtuyXBBJMbb-T6LNGW9eIg
Video 2
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1578711005684563969?s=20&t=vtuyXBBJMbb-T6LNGW9eIg
Robin Horsfalls LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:share:6984569053029744641
Selected tweet from @truth_tesla [series of photos and analysis]
https://twitter.com/truth_tesla/status/1579065791307468800?s=20&t=lWd9uF0HGn_rvuJgrfIrTw
Putin ordered the Russian investigation and its truck bomb theory is disputed.
David Crayford ☎ 13:13, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
The official Russian claim of a truck bomb is also unreliable for me, as the first videos of the explosion showing the truck climbing on the elevated arch bridge section, however spans collapsed, shown on satellite images, are quite far from that scene. JSoos ( talk) 07:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
To add to this article: it has been reported that the truck carrying the truck bomb seems to have come from the Russian side, from the region of Krasnodar. 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 23:41, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
This is clearly a lie, the sourcing is from BBC where they say "The railway part of the bridge - where oil tankers caught fire - has also apparently reopened." Not very definitive at all... Further, video has come out that shows how the rail line has been deformed by the immense heat generated by the fire The rail line clearly is not serviceable at this time and won't be for quite some time considering the damage seen in the video 2601:600:9681:4C50:795B:D828:7E53:610 ( talk) 07:19, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Could the lead be rephrased to remove the passive wording "a fire broke out..." Is it better to say something like an explosion occurred that caused a fire? Mr Ernie ( talk) 13:53, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
If the FSB claims that two trucks were used in transporting the explosives then please clarify that in the text. Because right now it reads like the FSB released X-rays of THE truck, which plainly wrong because the released x-ray scan isn't of the truck that entered the Crimean bridge on the day of the explosion. -- Nilsol2 ( talk) 14:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm sorry if this comes across as WP:FORUMy but do I understand the article correctly? Russian sources are asserting a vehicle bomb was able to dislodge three sections of the easternmost roadway, leave the center roadway untouched, and still get so hot that rail tanker cars ignited on the rail-bridge 100 meters or so away? Am I the only reader who thinks this narrative unlikely? Is there any sourcing about the explosion itself? BusterD ( talk) 15:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved per general consensus — JFG talk 13:34, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
2022 Crimean Bridge explosion → Crimean Bridge explosion – Hi everyone! Since this was the first and the only explosion occurred to the bridge, and according to WP:CRYSTALBALL, the page should be renamed removing 2022 like the French [2]; the Russian [3] and the Ukranian [4] Wikis. Nicola Romani ( talk) 05:17, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
in a majority of cases. Besides removing the date without considering the WP:10YEARTEST test and WP:RECENTISM, and besides making this title less WP:CONSISTENT with others, removing the year makes the title less WP:RECOGNIZABLE to the reader. As a sidenote, what other wikis do with their article titles is irrelevant to this discussion, since we do not share article title guidelines and naming conventions. Pilaz ( talk) 14:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
There's been a claim going around the internet that the x-ray photos are an obvious fake because they don't match the truck that blew up. However, the original release of the photos did not claim they were from the truck that blew up, but rather a separate truck that was used to transport the trailer into Russia.
This whole claimed narrative is no more legitimate than anything else the FSB puts out, of course, but the "x-ray discrepancy" evidence is just misinformation on top of disinformation. It's "disproving" a claim that the FSB never actually made. We should correct this section of the article so as not to continue spreading this mistaken claim.
Here is one potential source we could use:
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-russias-fsb-share-fake-x-ray-crimea-bridge-blast-truck-1751118
If anyone has better information, please correct me though! SmoothAmber ( talk) 17:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
In "Effect on Russian Forces", it is claimed that "rail traffic [resumed] almost immediately", and then a few sentences later it's said that " Various analysts said on 10 October that trains would likely cross the bridge at reduced speed and loads.".
I looked at the sources cited for the section, and it seems like the claim that traffic was almost immediately restored comes from the Russian Deputy Prime Minister saying that traffic on the bridge was fully restored. An effort should be made to find out exactly when and how rail traffic was restored through a more reliable source. Harry Hinderson ( talk) 21:13, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
The quote attributed to Major General Dmitry Marchenko is marked as needing further detail. Sources that indicate the quote is from "an interview with Radio Liberty" on 16 June 2022 include: (1) The Odessa Journal -- https://odessa-journal.com/general-marchenko-kerch-bridge-is-the-military-target-number-one/ "General Marchenko: Kerch bridge is the military target number one", dated 16 June 2022. (2) Radio Svoboda, Ukrainian version of the same Odessa Journal article -- https://www.radiosvoboda.org/a/news-marchenko-kerchenskyi-mist/31899558.html (3) CNN in October -- https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/10/europe/russia-ukraine-strikes-crimea-bridge-analysis-cmd-intl (4) possibly also The Organization for World Peace -- https://theowp.org/ukrainian-general-targets-destruction-of-crimean-bridge/ PeteGaughan ( talk) 00:49, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Also an english source for the full restoration of rail traffic on the Bridge
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/05/russia-restores-rail-traffic-on-controversial-crimean-bridge-a81053 Nilsol2 ( talk) 20:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Several reputable articles from the New York Times and CNN mention the possibility that this was a suicide attack. Why is the word "suicide" not mentioned even a single time in this Wikipedia entry? I would hate to believe that the word "suicide" has been intentionally omitted or even scrubbed in order to avoid putting Ukraine in some sort of bad light, analogous to the suicide bombers who killed US Army service members and civilians over the past 2 decades. I can see the possibility of some people very sympathetic to Ukraine purposefully omitting or scrubbing the terms "suicide attack" or "suicide bombing" from this entry, in order to avoid off-putting American citizens trying to research more about the Ukrainian conflict, considering the general opinions of Americans on suicide bombings after 9/11, and the fact that so much financial and material support to Ukraine comes from America. I myself support Ukraine, but if there was a possibility this was a suicide attack, I believe that a nonpartisan and objective Wikipedia should include that possibility. And I still hold out hope for a nonpartisan and objective Wikipedia.
Relevant links:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/10/europe/russia-ukraine-strikes-crimea-bridge-analysis-cmd-intl/index.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/11/17/world/europe/crimea-bridge-collapse.html https://worldcrunch.com/opinion-analysis/kerch-bridge-suicide-attack 2603:8081:4401:8F93:514C:83D4:7EC8:7041 ( talk) 15:44, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Can we add 2023 Crimean Bridge explosion in the "see also" section at the end ? It's the case the other way around.
Article is protected, can't add that as a IP user. I'm also not sur article still need to be protected though. 178.23.152.132 ( talk) 08:32, 17 July 2023 (UTC)