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Tops Supermarket is a south east Asian chain, as far as i can tell. The article should link to Tops Friendly Markets -- Tritium21 ( talk) 22:57, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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It should say 2022 Buffalo Shooting Thepanthersfan201 ( talk) 00:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
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Was racism in Conklin an influence on [Gendron]? What sources are available?
The demographics section says that [Gendron's] hometown-- the town of Conklin, New York is only 1% Black. Are Black people being discriminated against in housing / real estate there? Why such a strangely low number?
Have Black people been pushed out of there? Only 1% Black for a town is a suspicious number in New York State.
Does anyone have any sources on racism in Conklin NY? Did [Gendron] grow up in a racist environment?
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Hitler was a socialist, he called the movement that he led National socialism. And he was also a White supremicist racist. So yes a "Left" (not Right-wing) socialist can be a White supremecist/racist. Also the communist Soviet Union was anti-semetic (another kind of ethnic hate). So it was both communist (extreme Left) and it discriminated based on ethnicity (among other things). So again, one can be "Left" and be an ethnic / racist hater at the same time. Chesapeake77 ( talk) 01:46, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
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I'm readin the manifesto, I don't know if I'm allowed to link to it but Google should help, he basically plagirized entire chunks from the Christchurch shooter's own manifesto.
Also, IDK what we're going to do about it since I doubt a source will pick up on it, but most of what it says about black people is objectively incorrect. I don't mean crime rates or IQ, which is just a racist opinoon based off a single, misinterpeted fact, the shooter claims he targetted black people and did what he did because of some "Blackies are invading white land" nonsense. It's one thing to whine about crime rates and how inferior we are compared to white people (Which is also bullshit) but his idea of comparing African-Americans to immigrants is both objectively and emotionally incorrect. Just felt the need to mention that.
Also a quick edit before anyone responds, he claims he was inspired by the Christchurch shooter. If any source picks up on those fact please add them to the article. June Parker ( talk) 04:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
“ Because he had heavily armored plating on, the bullet had no round. ” what does that mean, for people who don’t understand weapon-speak? 2600:1700:F90:6950:7C22:D9B:B84E:650A ( talk) 22:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
I can already predict the answer to this question, but I am hot off twitter and loads of people are comparing this shooting to the Kenosha Unrest Shooting, mainly the treatment of the suspect by law enforcement as well as the fact he traveled hours to a black neightborhood.
Obviously throwing him in right now would be disruptive, but if signfigant sources decide to take it upon themselves to compare this to Kenosha, where and how would it fit? June Parker ( talk) 02:12, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
I suggest we begin removing duplicate or trolling edit requests, rather than answering, and if necessary establish a FAQ. Also please remember that BLP applies to talk pages. Names without sources should be removed. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 00:17, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Three sources were cited. Two were the same AP article, one seems to have been copying it based on how things were worded. Both said that unnamed law enforcement articles gave the guy's name. No source said they had independently confirmed that. WP:BLPCRIME still applies here. We don't name people who someone anonymously told a journalist did something. I've removed the name again. There's no rush here, y'all. We don't get paid more for a big scoop. What matters is that we get it right, and right on the first try. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she/they) 23:57, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Just for the record, the reason why I didn't WP:BOLDly move the article as suggested earlier is because I did try earlier, but I was barred from doing so and had to use a WP:RM discussion to overcome it. Love of Corey ( talk) 03:52, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Payton S. Gendron was born on June 20, 2003. Source: [4]. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 02:08, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
how relevant would information regarding gendron's firearm purchase in endicott, ny be to this article ? additionally, a few reliable sources have talked about buffalo's history of segregation which has formed the ethnic makeup of the city. although the article has mentioned that the attack took place in a predominately Black neighbourhood, including a short piece of context regarding policies enacted by the city could potentially be productive. example article: [5] Ayyydoc ( talk) 17:33, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
should we include the detail the shooter streamed as "jimboboiii" on twitch?-- 🐦DrWho42 👻 03:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Since we're listing various other racist shootings (like Charleston, El Paso, etc.), perhaps Joseph Christopher could be listed? While his crimes were in 1980, he mostly operated in the Buffalo area and targeted African-Americans. Paris1127 ( talk) 23:14, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
The head of the local FBI office, Stephen Belongia, told reporters that the agency is investigating the shooting as both a hate crime and as racially motivated violent extremism.
I cannot see any citations, evidence or claims backing up the oddly very specific three weapons listed on this Wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.199.179.165 ( talk) 04:40, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
promoting the white nationalist far-right "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory
I believe it would be more appropriate to refer to the magazines by their capacity. Calling them Standard Capacity as the military outlines would ignore New York law. Calling them High-Capacity would be inaccurate. Listing them as "30-round magazines, which are illegal in the state of New York" or something to this effect would both refer to the capacity in a non political manner while also making note of the illegality. Tommyw10 ( talk) 08:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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Change the article details and the name of the section from "accused" to "suspect." Accused sounds weird and he's referred to as a "suspect" or "shooter" everywhere else in the article. WoodjaCoodja ( talk) 12:37, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Please note that Gendron, having been charged, is now the "accused" and no longer just a "suspect". This difference is made clear at http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-suspect-and-accused. WWGB ( talk) 03:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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It says here that he was engaged by a security guard as he entered the store. This did not happen straight away, he shot two women, then a man, then spared the life of a white employee or customer. Then the video ends. But this article makes it incorrectly sound like he was engaged straight away by the security guard, then shot 6 people inside. Might want to actually state the facts, no? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:BB6:6807:4600:D809:37EF:FF9A:48C5 ( talk) 14:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC) |
use secondary sources who have endured thatThey didn't watch any clip afaict. The source also doesn't give a series of events as Wikipedia describes, so I think the IP's described issue is legitimate, and I'll fix accordingly. ProcrastinatingReader ( talk) 15:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Last sentence: “…a lot there is similar to this “ could be “much is similar to this” Bellagio99 ( talk) 22:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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Change the article details and the name of the section from "accused" to "suspect." Accused sounds weird and he's referred to as a "suspect" or "shooter" everywhere else in the article. WoodjaCoodja ( talk) 12:37, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
I believe it would be more appropriate to refer to the magazines by their capacity. Calling them Standard Capacity as the military outlines would ignore New York law. Calling them High-Capacity would be inaccurate. Listing them as "30-round magazines, which are illegal in the state of New York" or something to this effect would both refer to the capacity in a non political manner while also making note of the illegality. Tommyw10 ( talk) 08:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Please note that Gendron, having been charged, is now the "accused" and no longer just a "suspect". This difference is made clear at http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-suspect-and-accused. WWGB ( talk) 03:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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It says here that he was engaged by a security guard as he entered the store. This did not happen straight away, he shot two women, then a man, then spared the life of a white employee or customer. Then the video ends. But this article makes it incorrectly sound like he was engaged straight away by the security guard, then shot 6 people inside. Might want to actually state the facts, no? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:BB6:6807:4600:D809:37EF:FF9A:48C5 ( talk) 14:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC) |
use secondary sources who have endured thatThey didn't watch any clip afaict. The source also doesn't give a series of events as Wikipedia describes, so I think the IP's described issue is legitimate, and I'll fix accordingly. ProcrastinatingReader ( talk) 15:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Last sentence: “…a lot there is similar to this “ could be “much is similar to this” Bellagio99 ( talk) 22:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
There's obviously an RfC happening above regarding the victims' names, but for some reason the security guard's name is listed on more than one occasion. Is there any reason why this name is being treated differently than the list of victim's names? The security guard is a victim as well, and I don't see any reason why he is being treated separately. Thoughts? -- Kbabej ( talk) 22:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
I’d recommend locking this article because of people having drastically different strong political views about it and therefore lots of editing, then reverting, then editing again, etc. GamerKlim9716 ( talk) 12:17, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
I think it's importante and its not in this wiki, his manifesto its a copypaste with a little bit of modifications of the Brenton Tarrant's manifesto. 157.100.93.66 ( talk) 18:19, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Although its use as a source is an uncontroversial rejection, the accused's manifesto seems at first thought to be relevant enough to include in an External links section. I don't plan on adding it anytime soon, but I would be interested in hearing reasons to include or not to include it in the future. I don't see anything obvious in WP:EL that would disqualify it, and as an example, the article for The Anarchist Cookbook includes a link to the article's subject's full text despite its controversial content. Somers-all-the-time ( talk) 03:35, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Reports indicate another shooting occurred in Laguna Woods, California.-- 🐦DrWho42 👻 22:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
There has been incisive commentary on the mainstreaming of alt-right conspiracy theories, associated hate, and growing radicalization. Someone among you, please draft a decent section. To attribute the "renewed scrutiny" claim to Guardian, as if this is an exceptional claim, while ignoring the sources that engage in this "scrutiny" is ridiculous. TrangaBellam ( talk) 21:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
I am curious about a Wikipedia rule. Is there some rule that says we cannot actually name the suspect in the intro / lead? I was editing another article ... Killing of Brittanee Drexel. And, in that article, some editor added the following "comment" / note:
So, what's the correct approach? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 05:24, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
W1lliam halifax suggested on ITN [10] that this article is part of 2020–2022 United States racial unrest. Can we reflect this on infobox? ArvindPalaskar ( talk) 14:52, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Are we really going to post information from the manifesto but not let others view it? Who is interpreting it? This is certainly against Wikipedia guideline to post information from it through a third party but not reference it directly. --Mapsfly ( talk) 00:21, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
I don't think we should mention what websites he got his racial views from. It's basically telling readers of this article where they can find racist content.
Is the manifesto still not confirmed yet? I have seen multiple sources stating that the manifesto is real.
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Eventually the manifesto's location and source text will have to be outed, even (perhaps especially) if only to enable credible research. knoodelhed ( talk) 15:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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Tops Supermarket is a south east Asian chain, as far as i can tell. The article should link to Tops Friendly Markets -- Tritium21 ( talk) 22:57, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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It should say 2022 Buffalo Shooting Thepanthersfan201 ( talk) 00:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
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Was racism in Conklin an influence on [Gendron]? What sources are available?
The demographics section says that [Gendron's] hometown-- the town of Conklin, New York is only 1% Black. Are Black people being discriminated against in housing / real estate there? Why such a strangely low number?
Have Black people been pushed out of there? Only 1% Black for a town is a suspicious number in New York State.
Does anyone have any sources on racism in Conklin NY? Did [Gendron] grow up in a racist environment?
Chesapeake77 ( talk) 01:12, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
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Hitler was a socialist, he called the movement that he led National socialism. And he was also a White supremicist racist. So yes a "Left" (not Right-wing) socialist can be a White supremecist/racist. Also the communist Soviet Union was anti-semetic (another kind of ethnic hate). So it was both communist (extreme Left) and it discriminated based on ethnicity (among other things). So again, one can be "Left" and be an ethnic / racist hater at the same time. Chesapeake77 ( talk) 01:46, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
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I'm readin the manifesto, I don't know if I'm allowed to link to it but Google should help, he basically plagirized entire chunks from the Christchurch shooter's own manifesto.
Also, IDK what we're going to do about it since I doubt a source will pick up on it, but most of what it says about black people is objectively incorrect. I don't mean crime rates or IQ, which is just a racist opinoon based off a single, misinterpeted fact, the shooter claims he targetted black people and did what he did because of some "Blackies are invading white land" nonsense. It's one thing to whine about crime rates and how inferior we are compared to white people (Which is also bullshit) but his idea of comparing African-Americans to immigrants is both objectively and emotionally incorrect. Just felt the need to mention that.
Also a quick edit before anyone responds, he claims he was inspired by the Christchurch shooter. If any source picks up on those fact please add them to the article. June Parker ( talk) 04:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
“ Because he had heavily armored plating on, the bullet had no round. ” what does that mean, for people who don’t understand weapon-speak? 2600:1700:F90:6950:7C22:D9B:B84E:650A ( talk) 22:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
I can already predict the answer to this question, but I am hot off twitter and loads of people are comparing this shooting to the Kenosha Unrest Shooting, mainly the treatment of the suspect by law enforcement as well as the fact he traveled hours to a black neightborhood.
Obviously throwing him in right now would be disruptive, but if signfigant sources decide to take it upon themselves to compare this to Kenosha, where and how would it fit? June Parker ( talk) 02:12, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
I suggest we begin removing duplicate or trolling edit requests, rather than answering, and if necessary establish a FAQ. Also please remember that BLP applies to talk pages. Names without sources should be removed. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 00:17, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Three sources were cited. Two were the same AP article, one seems to have been copying it based on how things were worded. Both said that unnamed law enforcement articles gave the guy's name. No source said they had independently confirmed that. WP:BLPCRIME still applies here. We don't name people who someone anonymously told a journalist did something. I've removed the name again. There's no rush here, y'all. We don't get paid more for a big scoop. What matters is that we get it right, and right on the first try. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she/they) 23:57, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Just for the record, the reason why I didn't WP:BOLDly move the article as suggested earlier is because I did try earlier, but I was barred from doing so and had to use a WP:RM discussion to overcome it. Love of Corey ( talk) 03:52, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Payton S. Gendron was born on June 20, 2003. Source: [4]. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 02:08, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
how relevant would information regarding gendron's firearm purchase in endicott, ny be to this article ? additionally, a few reliable sources have talked about buffalo's history of segregation which has formed the ethnic makeup of the city. although the article has mentioned that the attack took place in a predominately Black neighbourhood, including a short piece of context regarding policies enacted by the city could potentially be productive. example article: [5] Ayyydoc ( talk) 17:33, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
should we include the detail the shooter streamed as "jimboboiii" on twitch?-- 🐦DrWho42 👻 03:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Since we're listing various other racist shootings (like Charleston, El Paso, etc.), perhaps Joseph Christopher could be listed? While his crimes were in 1980, he mostly operated in the Buffalo area and targeted African-Americans. Paris1127 ( talk) 23:14, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
The head of the local FBI office, Stephen Belongia, told reporters that the agency is investigating the shooting as both a hate crime and as racially motivated violent extremism.
I cannot see any citations, evidence or claims backing up the oddly very specific three weapons listed on this Wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.199.179.165 ( talk) 04:40, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
promoting the white nationalist far-right "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory
I believe it would be more appropriate to refer to the magazines by their capacity. Calling them Standard Capacity as the military outlines would ignore New York law. Calling them High-Capacity would be inaccurate. Listing them as "30-round magazines, which are illegal in the state of New York" or something to this effect would both refer to the capacity in a non political manner while also making note of the illegality. Tommyw10 ( talk) 08:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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Change the article details and the name of the section from "accused" to "suspect." Accused sounds weird and he's referred to as a "suspect" or "shooter" everywhere else in the article. WoodjaCoodja ( talk) 12:37, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Please note that Gendron, having been charged, is now the "accused" and no longer just a "suspect". This difference is made clear at http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-suspect-and-accused. WWGB ( talk) 03:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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It says here that he was engaged by a security guard as he entered the store. This did not happen straight away, he shot two women, then a man, then spared the life of a white employee or customer. Then the video ends. But this article makes it incorrectly sound like he was engaged straight away by the security guard, then shot 6 people inside. Might want to actually state the facts, no? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:BB6:6807:4600:D809:37EF:FF9A:48C5 ( talk) 14:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC) |
use secondary sources who have endured thatThey didn't watch any clip afaict. The source also doesn't give a series of events as Wikipedia describes, so I think the IP's described issue is legitimate, and I'll fix accordingly. ProcrastinatingReader ( talk) 15:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
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Change the article details and the name of the section from "accused" to "suspect." Accused sounds weird and he's referred to as a "suspect" or "shooter" everywhere else in the article. WoodjaCoodja ( talk) 12:37, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
I believe it would be more appropriate to refer to the magazines by their capacity. Calling them Standard Capacity as the military outlines would ignore New York law. Calling them High-Capacity would be inaccurate. Listing them as "30-round magazines, which are illegal in the state of New York" or something to this effect would both refer to the capacity in a non political manner while also making note of the illegality. Tommyw10 ( talk) 08:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Please note that Gendron, having been charged, is now the "accused" and no longer just a "suspect". This difference is made clear at http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-suspect-and-accused. WWGB ( talk) 03:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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It says here that he was engaged by a security guard as he entered the store. This did not happen straight away, he shot two women, then a man, then spared the life of a white employee or customer. Then the video ends. But this article makes it incorrectly sound like he was engaged straight away by the security guard, then shot 6 people inside. Might want to actually state the facts, no? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:BB6:6807:4600:D809:37EF:FF9A:48C5 ( talk) 14:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC) |
use secondary sources who have endured thatThey didn't watch any clip afaict. The source also doesn't give a series of events as Wikipedia describes, so I think the IP's described issue is legitimate, and I'll fix accordingly. ProcrastinatingReader ( talk) 15:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Last sentence: “…a lot there is similar to this “ could be “much is similar to this” Bellagio99 ( talk) 22:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
There's obviously an RfC happening above regarding the victims' names, but for some reason the security guard's name is listed on more than one occasion. Is there any reason why this name is being treated differently than the list of victim's names? The security guard is a victim as well, and I don't see any reason why he is being treated separately. Thoughts? -- Kbabej ( talk) 22:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
I’d recommend locking this article because of people having drastically different strong political views about it and therefore lots of editing, then reverting, then editing again, etc. GamerKlim9716 ( talk) 12:17, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
I think it's importante and its not in this wiki, his manifesto its a copypaste with a little bit of modifications of the Brenton Tarrant's manifesto. 157.100.93.66 ( talk) 18:19, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Although its use as a source is an uncontroversial rejection, the accused's manifesto seems at first thought to be relevant enough to include in an External links section. I don't plan on adding it anytime soon, but I would be interested in hearing reasons to include or not to include it in the future. I don't see anything obvious in WP:EL that would disqualify it, and as an example, the article for The Anarchist Cookbook includes a link to the article's subject's full text despite its controversial content. Somers-all-the-time ( talk) 03:35, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Reports indicate another shooting occurred in Laguna Woods, California.-- 🐦DrWho42 👻 22:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
There has been incisive commentary on the mainstreaming of alt-right conspiracy theories, associated hate, and growing radicalization. Someone among you, please draft a decent section. To attribute the "renewed scrutiny" claim to Guardian, as if this is an exceptional claim, while ignoring the sources that engage in this "scrutiny" is ridiculous. TrangaBellam ( talk) 21:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
I am curious about a Wikipedia rule. Is there some rule that says we cannot actually name the suspect in the intro / lead? I was editing another article ... Killing of Brittanee Drexel. And, in that article, some editor added the following "comment" / note:
So, what's the correct approach? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 05:24, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
W1lliam halifax suggested on ITN [10] that this article is part of 2020–2022 United States racial unrest. Can we reflect this on infobox? ArvindPalaskar ( talk) 14:52, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Are we really going to post information from the manifesto but not let others view it? Who is interpreting it? This is certainly against Wikipedia guideline to post information from it through a third party but not reference it directly. --Mapsfly ( talk) 00:21, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
I don't think we should mention what websites he got his racial views from. It's basically telling readers of this article where they can find racist content.
Is the manifesto still not confirmed yet? I have seen multiple sources stating that the manifesto is real.
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Eventually the manifesto's location and source text will have to be outed, even (perhaps especially) if only to enable credible research. knoodelhed ( talk) 15:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)