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@ Reordcraeft: You are spreading misinformation and engaging in edit waring. MIA has announced that stabbing of Polish tourist is not related to the protests. Source. You have deleted many valuable and relevant information I have added in the article. You are also trying to put in article terms like "alt-right" which are not even used in Georgian political discourse and there is no source describing protesters as "alt-right". Besides, you wrote very biased article against groups opposed to the Pride what looks like is motivated by your own political views. Let me remind you that Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopedia. ArsenalAtletico2017 ( talk) 07:30, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Reordcraeft: Are you gonna answer or keep engaging in edit war? ArsenalAtletico2017 ( talk) 07:59, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
@ ArsenalAtletico2017: I will reinstate some of your edits, but not all of them. Some of the information added by you was new and factual, but things I have accused you of are also present. I don't want to escalate, but I will protect the integrity of this article. P.S. No Georgian language sources can be used in this article as it is part of English Wikipedia. -- Reordcraeft ( talk) 09:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Reordcraeft: You are not a supreme authority to decide what should be left and what should be removed from this article. Many things you wrote are factually incorrect, not backed by sources and biased. They will be edited. You can also edit anything I write which doesn't holds up to standards of Wikipedia, but keep in mind that this is not a forum for some users to spread their version of events corresponding to their political views. This is at least supposed to be a neutral website.
Where did you conclude from that Georgian sources can't be used in English Wikipedia? Anyway, Here is an English article pointing out that assaulter was mentally ill and attacked a person without a motive. I am editing that and many other things in article which are purposely added to make counter-protesters look bad. ArsenalAtletico2017 ( talk) 09:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Make your edits carefully, I will check them later. -- Reordcraeft ( talk) 09:55, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
@ LeontinaVarlamonva: Don't remove sourced and relevant information from the article without writing explanation here ArsenalAtletico2017 ( talk) 15:39, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Reordcraeft: Why do you protect homophobic ultraconservatives by label "hate groups"? Its like separating them and creating some "worse" from of ultraconservativism. Attacks were conduit by ultraconservatives, not some "hate groups", which is political correct name to not offend some right-wing ultraconservatives. This article is quite homophobic/transphobic!-- 78.102.53.207 ( talk) 00:43, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
@ ArsenalAtletico2017: You added a number of new groups in the participants list, please capitalize and spell them correctly if you intend to keep them in the article and also kindly add sources where they are mentioned by name and which prove their existence -- Reordcraeft ( talk) 20:52, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Reordcraeft: Yeah keep reverting edits while ignoring comments here and name-calling. So you really think like you're a neutral editor? ArsenalAtletico2017 ( talk) 20:03, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
The article is incredibly biased. It only uses sources supporting one side of the protests (only voicing opinions supporting one side) and overuses labels to demonize another side. The article doesn't meets the standarts of the Neutrality. ArsenalAtletico2017 ( talk) 09:30, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
You need to substantiate what exactly is problem. Saying you don't like the whole thing is not acceptable. Also, saying it only covers one side is just not true, it clearly provides overview of different sides' stance in the background section. Without providing evidence, you tagging this page is a form of harassment, you just want it to look bad and be discredit by attaching these tags.-- LeontinaVarlamonva ( talk) 11:34, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
Okay, Mr. bias-detector.
You have added this to the article, from the far-right, fake news source to 'balance the narrative'. If you continue with your counterproductive edits, you may get banned from Wikipedia. If you then carry on by creating sockpuppet accounts, they will get banned too.
On July 11 during the "special broadcast" the political commentator of Alt-Info Giorgi Kardava claimed that the death of Lekso Lashkarava might have been pre-planned by liberal groups. He noted that Lekso Laskrava might have been used as a "sacred victim". He pointed out that liberal groups who might have been assasinated him with an intent to exploit his death to exalt masses and instigate anti-government riots. He invoked the death of George Floyd, suggesting that Democrats might have been involved in his killing in hospital to instigate riots and chaos. Zura Makharadze claimed that the liberal opposition parties like the United National Movement were creating the "emotional wave" to trigger anti-government protests and try to overthrow the government, like the 2019 anti-Gavrilov protests.
and you end that addition with this 'attempt' at being 'objective':
"The opponents have dismissed these accusations as "misinformation"."
Nice try. We are sorry for being distrustful of your neutrality, but you give us more and more reasons to be. Your unbiasedness has already been tried when you made edits to the George Floyd article during 2020. It failed. -- Reordcraeft ( talk) 11:31, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
It was proposed in this section that
2021 Tbilisi Pride protests be
renamed and moved to
2021 attack on Tbilisi Pride.
result: Links:
current log •
target log
This is template {{
subst:Requested move/end}} |
2021 Tbilisi Pride protests → 2021 attack on Tbilisi Pride – This event is not notable because there was a protest against the pride parade. Counter-protests commonly occur any time there is a pride demonstration, especially in Eastern Europe. It's only notable because of the violence that occurred. The word "attack" is commonly used on articles covering events that are notable for the violence aspect such as 2021 United States Capitol attack. "2021" is needed in the title for disambiguation as this is not the first time that Tbilisi pride events have faced violent attacks. ( t · c) buidhe 21:11, 5 December 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. VR talk 21:49, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Most of the international news coverage are calling it an attack and/or highlighting the violence in the headline. Examples:
... you get the drift. The only international English-language media sources I found using "protests" for this attack:
( t · c) buidhe 21:11, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
majority of sources still denote to it as "protests"citation needed. My searches indicated the opposite, as noted above. The 2013 article is likely misnamed but that's beside the point. "Protest" is usually used for peaceful demonstrations and if they're notable for the violence that occurred, it's called something else such as riot, pogrom, attack, etc. ( t · c) buidhe 16:56, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
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2021 attack on Tbilisi Pride article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
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@ Reordcraeft: You are spreading misinformation and engaging in edit waring. MIA has announced that stabbing of Polish tourist is not related to the protests. Source. You have deleted many valuable and relevant information I have added in the article. You are also trying to put in article terms like "alt-right" which are not even used in Georgian political discourse and there is no source describing protesters as "alt-right". Besides, you wrote very biased article against groups opposed to the Pride what looks like is motivated by your own political views. Let me remind you that Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopedia. ArsenalAtletico2017 ( talk) 07:30, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Reordcraeft: Are you gonna answer or keep engaging in edit war? ArsenalAtletico2017 ( talk) 07:59, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
@ ArsenalAtletico2017: I will reinstate some of your edits, but not all of them. Some of the information added by you was new and factual, but things I have accused you of are also present. I don't want to escalate, but I will protect the integrity of this article. P.S. No Georgian language sources can be used in this article as it is part of English Wikipedia. -- Reordcraeft ( talk) 09:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Reordcraeft: You are not a supreme authority to decide what should be left and what should be removed from this article. Many things you wrote are factually incorrect, not backed by sources and biased. They will be edited. You can also edit anything I write which doesn't holds up to standards of Wikipedia, but keep in mind that this is not a forum for some users to spread their version of events corresponding to their political views. This is at least supposed to be a neutral website.
Where did you conclude from that Georgian sources can't be used in English Wikipedia? Anyway, Here is an English article pointing out that assaulter was mentally ill and attacked a person without a motive. I am editing that and many other things in article which are purposely added to make counter-protesters look bad. ArsenalAtletico2017 ( talk) 09:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Make your edits carefully, I will check them later. -- Reordcraeft ( talk) 09:55, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
@ LeontinaVarlamonva: Don't remove sourced and relevant information from the article without writing explanation here ArsenalAtletico2017 ( talk) 15:39, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Reordcraeft: Why do you protect homophobic ultraconservatives by label "hate groups"? Its like separating them and creating some "worse" from of ultraconservativism. Attacks were conduit by ultraconservatives, not some "hate groups", which is political correct name to not offend some right-wing ultraconservatives. This article is quite homophobic/transphobic!-- 78.102.53.207 ( talk) 00:43, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
@ ArsenalAtletico2017: You added a number of new groups in the participants list, please capitalize and spell them correctly if you intend to keep them in the article and also kindly add sources where they are mentioned by name and which prove their existence -- Reordcraeft ( talk) 20:52, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Reordcraeft: Yeah keep reverting edits while ignoring comments here and name-calling. So you really think like you're a neutral editor? ArsenalAtletico2017 ( talk) 20:03, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
The article is incredibly biased. It only uses sources supporting one side of the protests (only voicing opinions supporting one side) and overuses labels to demonize another side. The article doesn't meets the standarts of the Neutrality. ArsenalAtletico2017 ( talk) 09:30, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
You need to substantiate what exactly is problem. Saying you don't like the whole thing is not acceptable. Also, saying it only covers one side is just not true, it clearly provides overview of different sides' stance in the background section. Without providing evidence, you tagging this page is a form of harassment, you just want it to look bad and be discredit by attaching these tags.-- LeontinaVarlamonva ( talk) 11:34, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
Okay, Mr. bias-detector.
You have added this to the article, from the far-right, fake news source to 'balance the narrative'. If you continue with your counterproductive edits, you may get banned from Wikipedia. If you then carry on by creating sockpuppet accounts, they will get banned too.
On July 11 during the "special broadcast" the political commentator of Alt-Info Giorgi Kardava claimed that the death of Lekso Lashkarava might have been pre-planned by liberal groups. He noted that Lekso Laskrava might have been used as a "sacred victim". He pointed out that liberal groups who might have been assasinated him with an intent to exploit his death to exalt masses and instigate anti-government riots. He invoked the death of George Floyd, suggesting that Democrats might have been involved in his killing in hospital to instigate riots and chaos. Zura Makharadze claimed that the liberal opposition parties like the United National Movement were creating the "emotional wave" to trigger anti-government protests and try to overthrow the government, like the 2019 anti-Gavrilov protests.
and you end that addition with this 'attempt' at being 'objective':
"The opponents have dismissed these accusations as "misinformation"."
Nice try. We are sorry for being distrustful of your neutrality, but you give us more and more reasons to be. Your unbiasedness has already been tried when you made edits to the George Floyd article during 2020. It failed. -- Reordcraeft ( talk) 11:31, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
It was proposed in this section that
2021 Tbilisi Pride protests be
renamed and moved to
2021 attack on Tbilisi Pride.
result: Links:
current log •
target log
This is template {{
subst:Requested move/end}} |
2021 Tbilisi Pride protests → 2021 attack on Tbilisi Pride – This event is not notable because there was a protest against the pride parade. Counter-protests commonly occur any time there is a pride demonstration, especially in Eastern Europe. It's only notable because of the violence that occurred. The word "attack" is commonly used on articles covering events that are notable for the violence aspect such as 2021 United States Capitol attack. "2021" is needed in the title for disambiguation as this is not the first time that Tbilisi pride events have faced violent attacks. ( t · c) buidhe 21:11, 5 December 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. VR talk 21:49, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Most of the international news coverage are calling it an attack and/or highlighting the violence in the headline. Examples:
... you get the drift. The only international English-language media sources I found using "protests" for this attack:
( t · c) buidhe 21:11, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
majority of sources still denote to it as "protests"citation needed. My searches indicated the opposite, as noted above. The 2013 article is likely misnamed but that's beside the point. "Protest" is usually used for peaceful demonstrations and if they're notable for the violence that occurred, it's called something else such as riot, pogrom, attack, etc. ( t · c) buidhe 16:56, 7 December 2021 (UTC)