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The USGS coordinates shows the earthquake had its epicenter in Malatya Province east-northeast of Doganyol, not on Sivrice in Elazig Province.
Master of Time(talk) 02:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)reply
You're right that the epicentre appears to be in Malatya, but only about 1 km from the border. If most of the damage and deaths are in Elazig province, however, I would suggest keeping the current name as it's the effects that are most important. We'll see.
Mikenorton (
talk) 10:42, 25 January 2020 (UTC)reply
The ANSS have updated there epicentre and it now lies well within Elazig, close to the Kandilli Observatory's estimate.
Mikenorton (
talk) 18:09, 25 January 2020 (UTC)reply
"International reactions" section
Nothing in the "International reactions" sections seems particularly notable. All countries tend to send condolences, it's not particularly newsworthy, let alone of any enduring notability.
Mikenorton (
talk) 11:14, 26 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Don’t the other articles have similar sections though? As long as I remember we used to include them. Is there a policy or guideline now which suggests they should be avoided? Keivan.fTalk 18:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)reply
I agree with Keivan.f, I thought it was commonplace for disaster articles to include a reactions section.
Droodkin (
talk) 19:46, 26 January 2020 (UTC)reply
If all that the section contains is a long list of condolences then I would say no. It's entirely different if the countries are giving substantial aid, although I think that the section in the
2019 Albania earthquake got a bit out of hand. There is no similar section in the
2019 Cotabato earthquakes, the
2019 Ambon earthquake or the
2019 Kashmir earthquake. The far more destructive
2018 Sulawesi earthquake and tsunami and
2018 Papua New Guinea earthquake don't mention condolences, although I would be surprised if they weren't expressed at the time. I just don't see that they are worth including, it would be more surprising if many countries didn't send condolences.
Mikenorton (
talk) 21:17, 26 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Yes, only mention aid given by other countries & international orgs. Condolences, prayers, offers of help etc. aren't notable.
Jim Michael (
talk) 22:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)reply
You wouldn't normally see those types of bulleted lists in featured content. A little bit of prose maybe.
Dawnseeker2000 00:02, 27 January 2020 (UTC)reply
This was an awful tragedy, and many countries offered their prayers and hopes. The article should focus on the earthquake, not talk. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Chuka Chief (
talk •
contribs) 17:17, 27 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Mikenorton, in the end it also kind of depends on how many editors are interested to expand the article. Editors involved in Turkish topics are so few these days, due to many of them having been banned, some for trivial reasons or others taking the bait from some experienced editors who have made a sport of getting them banned. In relation to many of the other places listed where earthquakes happened, they are topic areas on Wikipedia that attract few editors. So some articles remain small. On the Albania article, i wrote about two thirds of it. I added much of it about 3 or 4 days after the event as editors who did add content before was either about some seismic details on the quake itself or the aid contributions made by some countries in the area. It minimally covered things like the response from Albania or barely that from Albanians in the country or Balkan region, yet alone much about people the impacted by the quake and their circumstances which really is more important to note. For this article, editors who have knowledge of Turkish would be good to contribute. They could access Turkish language media to cover details of the event that global media in more widely known languages may not cite. Not sure if many of those editors are around to edit. Best.
Resnjari (
talk) 06:37, 28 January 2020 (UTC)reply
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The USGS coordinates shows the earthquake had its epicenter in Malatya Province east-northeast of Doganyol, not on Sivrice in Elazig Province.
Master of Time(talk) 02:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)reply
You're right that the epicentre appears to be in Malatya, but only about 1 km from the border. If most of the damage and deaths are in Elazig province, however, I would suggest keeping the current name as it's the effects that are most important. We'll see.
Mikenorton (
talk) 10:42, 25 January 2020 (UTC)reply
The ANSS have updated there epicentre and it now lies well within Elazig, close to the Kandilli Observatory's estimate.
Mikenorton (
talk) 18:09, 25 January 2020 (UTC)reply
"International reactions" section
Nothing in the "International reactions" sections seems particularly notable. All countries tend to send condolences, it's not particularly newsworthy, let alone of any enduring notability.
Mikenorton (
talk) 11:14, 26 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Don’t the other articles have similar sections though? As long as I remember we used to include them. Is there a policy or guideline now which suggests they should be avoided? Keivan.fTalk 18:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)reply
I agree with Keivan.f, I thought it was commonplace for disaster articles to include a reactions section.
Droodkin (
talk) 19:46, 26 January 2020 (UTC)reply
If all that the section contains is a long list of condolences then I would say no. It's entirely different if the countries are giving substantial aid, although I think that the section in the
2019 Albania earthquake got a bit out of hand. There is no similar section in the
2019 Cotabato earthquakes, the
2019 Ambon earthquake or the
2019 Kashmir earthquake. The far more destructive
2018 Sulawesi earthquake and tsunami and
2018 Papua New Guinea earthquake don't mention condolences, although I would be surprised if they weren't expressed at the time. I just don't see that they are worth including, it would be more surprising if many countries didn't send condolences.
Mikenorton (
talk) 21:17, 26 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Yes, only mention aid given by other countries & international orgs. Condolences, prayers, offers of help etc. aren't notable.
Jim Michael (
talk) 22:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)reply
You wouldn't normally see those types of bulleted lists in featured content. A little bit of prose maybe.
Dawnseeker2000 00:02, 27 January 2020 (UTC)reply
This was an awful tragedy, and many countries offered their prayers and hopes. The article should focus on the earthquake, not talk. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Chuka Chief (
talk •
contribs) 17:17, 27 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Mikenorton, in the end it also kind of depends on how many editors are interested to expand the article. Editors involved in Turkish topics are so few these days, due to many of them having been banned, some for trivial reasons or others taking the bait from some experienced editors who have made a sport of getting them banned. In relation to many of the other places listed where earthquakes happened, they are topic areas on Wikipedia that attract few editors. So some articles remain small. On the Albania article, i wrote about two thirds of it. I added much of it about 3 or 4 days after the event as editors who did add content before was either about some seismic details on the quake itself or the aid contributions made by some countries in the area. It minimally covered things like the response from Albania or barely that from Albanians in the country or Balkan region, yet alone much about people the impacted by the quake and their circumstances which really is more important to note. For this article, editors who have knowledge of Turkish would be good to contribute. They could access Turkish language media to cover details of the event that global media in more widely known languages may not cite. Not sure if many of those editors are around to edit. Best.
Resnjari (
talk) 06:37, 28 January 2020 (UTC)reply