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So just because now you have more editors than ever before with the huge number of users you think every single event is notable? Like the Indonesian flood its strictly a domestic event and nothing major given the high number of deaths similar floods have happened throughout the 2000s but were not noted as they were strictly domestic events not major events with worldwide coverage. Every date of January has been noted. Just compare this article to the 2000 article. Many significant event happened in January 2000, but not all were considered important to the whole world , the month April 2000 had only three events noted down on April 3, 22 and 30, while January 2020 already have every minor events to have happened noted down here, despite the fact April 2000 had way more notable events than January 2020 does so far that were not included in 2000 as not all were important to the whole world to be notable enough. Just look at January 5, 2020, it already has 5 events covered in it. Its more like a day by day news coverage than an wikipedia article noting the "most important events" in a year. What happened to the "recent years policy" ? Dilbaggg ( talk) 19:49, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
So yeah January 1, 2,3,4,5, 7,8, 9 all have events under them, not just one but each multiple and such will be the case with all 365 days in the year, and 2020 will be the most eventful year in history, surpassed by 2021, that by 2022 and so on just because new users love adding every single events with the logic "it has modern sources", as though floods worse than the Indonesian flood this year didnt happen in earlier years and didn't kill more (1000s) of people but were not included because internet had fewer users then and most sources were not internet based. For example the 2005 Mummbi flood in India killed 700 + Maharashtra floods of 2005 people but isnt included in the 2005 articles as baby users adding every single events now werent born then. Does that make 2020 more important than earlier years like 2000 and 2010? Nope. January 2002 had only three dates and under them there were only 1 events, does that mean 2002 was less eventful than 2020? August 2002 just had one event noted the whole month, yet so many important things happened [ [1]]. In 2010 , the 2010 South Kyrgyzstan ethnic clashes killed over 1000 people but stuffs like these were not included as they were domestic events. There have been worse outbreaks than the Wuhan pneumonia outbreaks in many years but they were not included, and as though outbreaks last a single date January 9.In 1973 the Yom Kippur War happened, but it didnt feel necessary to add every single dates and events of that event as done with the 2020 persian gulf crisis here, maybe because that was before most users here were born? Wikipedia years articles have become a day by day news coverage rather than actual articles and most intellectual editors left and most editors now a days act like school dropouts. What I would consider ideal is build new year articles the same way 2000, 2002, 2010, etc were built, only stating the most significant events with international coverage all over the world. But thats just me. Ah well carry on as you wish to, really nice to see new years becoming more eventful than older ones, only according to Wikipedia that is and its editors (school students), which now includes everything and the year articles since 2018 appear to be a day by day news coverage rather than wikipedia standard articles like 2000, 2002, 2005 and 2010. Dilbaggg ( talk) 15:54, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Sorry about that, I just hope the quality of the article improves, and 2020 isn't treated as an ultra eventful year full of day by day news coverage and it is written in the same standards as earlier years such as 2002. Dilbaggg ( talk) 12:55, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Natural Disasters with less that 1000 death toll should not be added as they are domestic events. The Iran Iraq earth quake in 2017 affected two countries so it was an international event and 500 deaths were sufficient. Here people are even adding disasters with less than `100 deaths. Also is it necessary to include every single general elections that happen? And almost every single events in the Persian Gulf Crisis is being added, if such was done in a Vietnam war year like 1969 the page would be added with 10,000+ events of the war alone, thank God its not a "recent year" and only the most significant events of the war were added. Dilbaggg ( talk) 10:32, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
I agree with the fact that not every little thing happened in every country should be listed, but still, Wikipedia's meaning is to give information, and as for myself, I'm interested in things happening around the world. I think, that having two different pages for the major events of 2020, and for smaller events of 2020, could be a considerable idea?
I, myself (and I'm not the only one, I know) have made a document for events (smaller ones too) around the world since 2010. And because I don't read every country's media, Wikipedia's "year" -articles are the best source for me. Armaanikaks ( talk) 16:58, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
The addition of John Lewis was reverted by a user with an edit summary explanation of "we should refrain from including local politicians of any country to this page unless they served as heads/deputy heads of government/state or achieved special notability internationally". However, John Lewis is much more well-known as a prominent and influential civil rights leader/activist than as a politician. Pretty sure he's relevant enough to be added to the Deaths section of the 2020 page. Paintspot Infez ( talk) 17:39, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
I agree with this. John Lewis wasn not just a representative, he was a civil rights leader famous around the world. Lochglasgowstrathyre ( talk) 00:07, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Being a civil-rights leader of international renown, recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom and numerous awards, recognized as one of the great human rights activists of our time, John Lewis is MORE than relevant enough. His removal from the page is biased and misguided, and his inclusion is necessary to a person of his impact. The man who organized student nonviolent protests across the nation as the freedom rides and lunch counter sit ins gained support, the man who led the marches on Bloody Sunday in Selma, John Lewis is a man of special notability. To think otherwise is to ignore his incredible spirit and legacy. ( User:DroboBrandegee 00:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
I completely disagree with the points made such as being the recipient of a Medal of Freedom, or “national mourning acknowledged by three Presidents”. These points are completely irrelevant for his inclusion on this page, which goes to the concern that Wikipedia and the yearly articles are far too US-centric and US-biased in general. There’s been far too many cases of American Congressional politicians being added to this page with very little notability outside the United States - while politicians of a comparable stature in other countries are excluded. However, with all that being said, a consensus seems to have formed that John Lewis should be included on the basis of his work as a civil rights leader and activist - and that his stature internationally, which has since been demonstrated in the wake of his passing, stems from this. On that basis I now side with the consensus in favour of including him on this page - though not so much for an image inclusion. Thescrubbythug ( talk) 06:34, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Keep. I don't live in the USA, but I can see he's a notable figure. He was featured prominently on BBC News and other news sites here in the UK. People who edit 2020 need to stop being so obsessed with deleting everything. Wjfox2005 ( talk) 08:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
There seems to be some dispute about whether Tim Smith of The Cardiacs should be included in the Deaths section. I'm British and was into the music of the 1970s but I've never heard of either Smith or his group. Black Kite, please could you explain why you think he should stay? Deb ( talk) 15:50, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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Could the following fact be added for the day 22-07-2020:
The United States orders the closure of China's consulate in Houston. Morgan Ortagus, the spokeswoman for the U.S. Department of State, says that the United States directed the consulate's closure "in order to protect American intellectual property and Americans' private information". The Chinese government condemns the "outrageous and unjustified" move and threatens countermeasures against the United States. (Al Jazeera) Freedom.to.distribute.information ( talk) 19:57, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
Should "Taal Volcano in Luzon erupts, forcing evacuation and disrupting air traffic." be added or left off?
Should "King Salman issues a royal decree, declaring that people will no longer be executed in Saudi Arabia for crimes they were convicted of when they were minors." be added or left off?
Should "Protests erupt in major cities across Lebanon for the second day over the country's continuing economic problems. Banks and vehicles are set on fire, and clashes between the protestors and the army in Tripoli leave around 40 soldiers wounded." be added or left off?
Should "Thousands of people protest outside the House of the National Assembly of the Republic of Serbia in the capital Belgrade, in response to President Aleksandar Vučić's plan on introducing stricter lockdown measures in Belgrade, due to the rising number of COVID-19 cases in the city." be added or left off?
Should "Venezuela will hold the 2020 Venezuelan parliamentary election." be added or left off?
I'm not familiar enough with most of these to personally know their significance. For the Lebanon protests though, it shouldn't be included considering the fact that there have been many protests this year and this is not notable enough relative to the other ones covered. For the Serbia protests, is that a lot of protesters relative to the others? It feels like that. Also, for the Venezuela elections, does this have some significance relative to the political crisis in the country or is this just the same old? In any case, would appreciate someone else's opinion or thoughts on these events importance's. Dantheanimator ( talk) 19:10, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
I think that atleast the volcano eruption should be kept, and the Serbian protests too, maybe. I'm not too familiar with the Lebanese ones so I can't say should they be left off.
One thing that maybe is a bit misleading, is that "Taal Volcano in Luzon erupts, forcing evacuation and disrupting air traffic" sounds like it was just a small eruption, and like nothing didn't actually happen except air traffic was little disrupted. No, that's not all, thousands of people lost their homes, at least 39 people were left dead, air traffic was disrupted. I don't think that's just a "minor" -event.
And for the Serbian protests, they (plus Bulgarian protests) are a big thing in the European media at least.
My final opinion is that keep the volcano eruption, other people can discuss wether the others should be left off. :) Armaanikaks ( talk) 16:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Should Regis be considered notable enough internationally for inclusion here? Have no strong feelings either way, though my impression is that he seems to mainly be notable as a media personality within the US. Would be good to have a consensus in any case. -- Thescrubbythug ( talk) 15:20, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
Do you think Peter Green’s image should be here for inclusion? I don’t understand how there’s so many images in the deaths section, but I kind of agree with Deb, since I’ve heard of Green until he died and his image shouldn’t be here for inclusion. What do you think? Gar ( talk) 17:24, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
I already added Hurricane Hanna but do you think I should add things like Tropical Storm Cristobal and Tropical Storm Fay? I like hurricanes ( talk) 00:07, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay I like hurricanes ( talk) 18:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
I'd like to argue for removing Conway's photo, simply because it's not a very good one and we don't seem to have anything better. We already have an image of one British mathematician (Freeman Dyson) so it wouldn't affect the balance. Deb ( talk) 11:36, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
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Just to update this list a little bit @ Deb:, I'd also include as consideration for removal (the majority of which has had the importance tag put on them for a while now):
-- Thescrubbythug ( talk) 02:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Should "The United States becomes the first country to record 5 million cases of COVID-19, at least a quarter of the current worldwide total." be added? Dantheanimator ( talk) 19:08, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Should "Former King of Spain Juan Carlos I goes into self-imposed exile amid a financial scandal" be added or left off? I removed this earlier because there doesn't seem to be anything notable about this at all. He isn't even the current king nor was he exiled by the government, but by himself. Would like to get a consensus on this. Dantheanimator ( talk) 12:55, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Michael Brooks death has been removed twice as of now for the reason and I quote that he is barely known outside the US Which I personally think is not a good reason.
I am creating this new section to prevent edit warring as I fear that if I revert again my new revert would be reverted again.
Maxime12346 ( talk) 22:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
I see from Martin Birch's (rather short) article that he was significant in terms of British music but, despite the many articles in other-language Wikis, I'm not convinced that his international notability is great enough to include him in the Deaths section. Deb ( talk) 08:25, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
User:Alsoriano97 has twice restored an image of Pedro Casaldáliga in the deaths section, which on my desktop causes an overflow beyond the end of the section. However, he writes: "I don't know from what support you have Wikipedia open, but there is even space to add this photo, or any other, at least from the Desk mode. I will not debate whether this photo should be put here because another user posted it and did not generate any type of complaint, so acceptance is tacit." I see that on my laptop there isn't an overflow, but on my desktop there definitely is. Alsoriano has declined to discuss this on the Talk page so I would like to know what other editors are seeing. Also, do others think that an image of Pedro Casaldáliga is "deserved"? Deb ( talk) 14:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
User:Unknown artist has added Ben Cross in the Deaths section. Although he was in a lot of films, I would argue that he wasn't a top-ranked actor. Despite Chariots of Fire, he wasn't a household name in the UK so I doubt he was widely known internationally. Deb ( talk) 11:36, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
I was a big fan of Wayne Fontana but I intend to remove him from the Deaths section as he had little notability outside the UK. Deb ( talk) 11:01, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Should "Hurricane Laura makes landfall in Louisiana, making it the most powerful hurricane in terms of wind speeds to strike the state, tied with the 1856 Last Island Hurricane" be added/kept off?
It definitely is historic for Louisiana, but that's the issue, only for Louisiana. If it were historic for the whole Gulf region of the U.S. or at least a few other states, then it would be more notable I would argue. If events were added solely on whether they were historic in their state/province/oblast/town/etc, then many minor and other events that wouldn't be usually added would be added. Let me know your thoughts on the notability of this particular hurricane. Dan the Animator 19:48, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
User:Alsoriano97 apparently believes that all international footballers should be placed in the Deaths section of this page, even when they don't appear on any Year in Topic page. Of the 28 footballers currently on this page, I propose removing the following:
I'll be back with more proposals on this. Deb ( talk) 17:48, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
And:
Note how Italy, Spain and the UK dominate the entries.
Also some minor actors that Alsoriano97 restored:
Please give views on these. Deb ( talk) 19:08, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
I have concerns that trolls will put in misinformation into this article. Even if they don't do things like spam, I fear that people will try to put misinformation on this article for political reasons (misinformation about what is really going on, who does what, incorrectly stating peaceful protests as violent riots, incorrectly stating shooters and murderers as having been a victim, etc.), malicious reasons (to misinform the public about COVID-19, to denounce mask wearing, to stir up chaos and divide people, etc.), and other reasons one might have to put misinformation in an article about events in 2020.
Given these concerns, can we have the article protected so that changes can only be made by people who are proven to be responsible and honest? We could make it so that the public can only suggest changes, and have moderators to keep the talk page troll-free.
So, could we have the 2020 article protected?
Damariobros ( talk) 18:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Is this sufficiently notable to be mentioned in the events section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucy3456 ( talk • contribs) 23:27, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
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Please editǃ 14.199.204.191 ( talk) 08:17, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Instead of tagging Lou Brock for importance, a famous baseball player and a Hall of Famer, why not tag Dragoljub Ojdanić, who basically has a semi stub of an article and from a google search the majority of the news of his death are from Serbian websites. Sumner Redstone was famous as well, just because they're American doesnt make them not important. Lochglasgowstrathyre ( talk) 19:51, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
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Since there seems to be some issue with him being listed on this page i thought i'd make a post. Worth noting he has a Bitannica entry (not every day for your average gridiron player to be in a international major work of official canonical history) [2] and surely a Britannica listing is a nice bar for entry on a less official list like this one. Either way let's go through the rest of the entries here from September and see if they have a Britannica listing and are in one of the official canons of history, just for fun.
So out of 32 people listed, only 8 have a mention and 4 are full articles (Like Sayers). Does not make sense to not list him. Seems this list would be more based on personal opinion and call it into question then if someone in one of the more major Encyclopedias cant make it into a lesser one like this while all these other people do not have a entry in the Britannica and yet are listed here. If someone has a Britannica they clearly should be listed here imo. Either way, just thought i'd run through everyone since he was removed (i restored him). It could be fun to go through the whole year too.
PS, Britannica's search engine is apparently blacklisted so i couldn't source them not being listed, but y'all can always check for yourself.
I propose that we begin the cleanup by removing all deaths where the person doesn't have a Britannica entry, and then debate each new addition? But first list all those who are to be removed so that anyone who wants to speak up for them has the opportunity to do so. Deb ( talk) 09:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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January 31 The US implements travel restrictions for China https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-nonimmigrants-persons-pose-risk-transmitting-2019-novel-coronavirus/
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So just because now you have more editors than ever before with the huge number of users you think every single event is notable? Like the Indonesian flood its strictly a domestic event and nothing major given the high number of deaths similar floods have happened throughout the 2000s but were not noted as they were strictly domestic events not major events with worldwide coverage. Every date of January has been noted. Just compare this article to the 2000 article. Many significant event happened in January 2000, but not all were considered important to the whole world , the month April 2000 had only three events noted down on April 3, 22 and 30, while January 2020 already have every minor events to have happened noted down here, despite the fact April 2000 had way more notable events than January 2020 does so far that were not included in 2000 as not all were important to the whole world to be notable enough. Just look at January 5, 2020, it already has 5 events covered in it. Its more like a day by day news coverage than an wikipedia article noting the "most important events" in a year. What happened to the "recent years policy" ? Dilbaggg ( talk) 19:49, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
So yeah January 1, 2,3,4,5, 7,8, 9 all have events under them, not just one but each multiple and such will be the case with all 365 days in the year, and 2020 will be the most eventful year in history, surpassed by 2021, that by 2022 and so on just because new users love adding every single events with the logic "it has modern sources", as though floods worse than the Indonesian flood this year didnt happen in earlier years and didn't kill more (1000s) of people but were not included because internet had fewer users then and most sources were not internet based. For example the 2005 Mummbi flood in India killed 700 + Maharashtra floods of 2005 people but isnt included in the 2005 articles as baby users adding every single events now werent born then. Does that make 2020 more important than earlier years like 2000 and 2010? Nope. January 2002 had only three dates and under them there were only 1 events, does that mean 2002 was less eventful than 2020? August 2002 just had one event noted the whole month, yet so many important things happened [ [1]]. In 2010 , the 2010 South Kyrgyzstan ethnic clashes killed over 1000 people but stuffs like these were not included as they were domestic events. There have been worse outbreaks than the Wuhan pneumonia outbreaks in many years but they were not included, and as though outbreaks last a single date January 9.In 1973 the Yom Kippur War happened, but it didnt feel necessary to add every single dates and events of that event as done with the 2020 persian gulf crisis here, maybe because that was before most users here were born? Wikipedia years articles have become a day by day news coverage rather than actual articles and most intellectual editors left and most editors now a days act like school dropouts. What I would consider ideal is build new year articles the same way 2000, 2002, 2010, etc were built, only stating the most significant events with international coverage all over the world. But thats just me. Ah well carry on as you wish to, really nice to see new years becoming more eventful than older ones, only according to Wikipedia that is and its editors (school students), which now includes everything and the year articles since 2018 appear to be a day by day news coverage rather than wikipedia standard articles like 2000, 2002, 2005 and 2010. Dilbaggg ( talk) 15:54, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Sorry about that, I just hope the quality of the article improves, and 2020 isn't treated as an ultra eventful year full of day by day news coverage and it is written in the same standards as earlier years such as 2002. Dilbaggg ( talk) 12:55, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Natural Disasters with less that 1000 death toll should not be added as they are domestic events. The Iran Iraq earth quake in 2017 affected two countries so it was an international event and 500 deaths were sufficient. Here people are even adding disasters with less than `100 deaths. Also is it necessary to include every single general elections that happen? And almost every single events in the Persian Gulf Crisis is being added, if such was done in a Vietnam war year like 1969 the page would be added with 10,000+ events of the war alone, thank God its not a "recent year" and only the most significant events of the war were added. Dilbaggg ( talk) 10:32, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
I agree with the fact that not every little thing happened in every country should be listed, but still, Wikipedia's meaning is to give information, and as for myself, I'm interested in things happening around the world. I think, that having two different pages for the major events of 2020, and for smaller events of 2020, could be a considerable idea?
I, myself (and I'm not the only one, I know) have made a document for events (smaller ones too) around the world since 2010. And because I don't read every country's media, Wikipedia's "year" -articles are the best source for me. Armaanikaks ( talk) 16:58, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
The addition of John Lewis was reverted by a user with an edit summary explanation of "we should refrain from including local politicians of any country to this page unless they served as heads/deputy heads of government/state or achieved special notability internationally". However, John Lewis is much more well-known as a prominent and influential civil rights leader/activist than as a politician. Pretty sure he's relevant enough to be added to the Deaths section of the 2020 page. Paintspot Infez ( talk) 17:39, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
I agree with this. John Lewis wasn not just a representative, he was a civil rights leader famous around the world. Lochglasgowstrathyre ( talk) 00:07, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Being a civil-rights leader of international renown, recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom and numerous awards, recognized as one of the great human rights activists of our time, John Lewis is MORE than relevant enough. His removal from the page is biased and misguided, and his inclusion is necessary to a person of his impact. The man who organized student nonviolent protests across the nation as the freedom rides and lunch counter sit ins gained support, the man who led the marches on Bloody Sunday in Selma, John Lewis is a man of special notability. To think otherwise is to ignore his incredible spirit and legacy. ( User:DroboBrandegee 00:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
I completely disagree with the points made such as being the recipient of a Medal of Freedom, or “national mourning acknowledged by three Presidents”. These points are completely irrelevant for his inclusion on this page, which goes to the concern that Wikipedia and the yearly articles are far too US-centric and US-biased in general. There’s been far too many cases of American Congressional politicians being added to this page with very little notability outside the United States - while politicians of a comparable stature in other countries are excluded. However, with all that being said, a consensus seems to have formed that John Lewis should be included on the basis of his work as a civil rights leader and activist - and that his stature internationally, which has since been demonstrated in the wake of his passing, stems from this. On that basis I now side with the consensus in favour of including him on this page - though not so much for an image inclusion. Thescrubbythug ( talk) 06:34, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Keep. I don't live in the USA, but I can see he's a notable figure. He was featured prominently on BBC News and other news sites here in the UK. People who edit 2020 need to stop being so obsessed with deleting everything. Wjfox2005 ( talk) 08:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
There seems to be some dispute about whether Tim Smith of The Cardiacs should be included in the Deaths section. I'm British and was into the music of the 1970s but I've never heard of either Smith or his group. Black Kite, please could you explain why you think he should stay? Deb ( talk) 15:50, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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Could the following fact be added for the day 22-07-2020:
The United States orders the closure of China's consulate in Houston. Morgan Ortagus, the spokeswoman for the U.S. Department of State, says that the United States directed the consulate's closure "in order to protect American intellectual property and Americans' private information". The Chinese government condemns the "outrageous and unjustified" move and threatens countermeasures against the United States. (Al Jazeera) Freedom.to.distribute.information ( talk) 19:57, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
Should "Taal Volcano in Luzon erupts, forcing evacuation and disrupting air traffic." be added or left off?
Should "King Salman issues a royal decree, declaring that people will no longer be executed in Saudi Arabia for crimes they were convicted of when they were minors." be added or left off?
Should "Protests erupt in major cities across Lebanon for the second day over the country's continuing economic problems. Banks and vehicles are set on fire, and clashes between the protestors and the army in Tripoli leave around 40 soldiers wounded." be added or left off?
Should "Thousands of people protest outside the House of the National Assembly of the Republic of Serbia in the capital Belgrade, in response to President Aleksandar Vučić's plan on introducing stricter lockdown measures in Belgrade, due to the rising number of COVID-19 cases in the city." be added or left off?
Should "Venezuela will hold the 2020 Venezuelan parliamentary election." be added or left off?
I'm not familiar enough with most of these to personally know their significance. For the Lebanon protests though, it shouldn't be included considering the fact that there have been many protests this year and this is not notable enough relative to the other ones covered. For the Serbia protests, is that a lot of protesters relative to the others? It feels like that. Also, for the Venezuela elections, does this have some significance relative to the political crisis in the country or is this just the same old? In any case, would appreciate someone else's opinion or thoughts on these events importance's. Dantheanimator ( talk) 19:10, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
I think that atleast the volcano eruption should be kept, and the Serbian protests too, maybe. I'm not too familiar with the Lebanese ones so I can't say should they be left off.
One thing that maybe is a bit misleading, is that "Taal Volcano in Luzon erupts, forcing evacuation and disrupting air traffic" sounds like it was just a small eruption, and like nothing didn't actually happen except air traffic was little disrupted. No, that's not all, thousands of people lost their homes, at least 39 people were left dead, air traffic was disrupted. I don't think that's just a "minor" -event.
And for the Serbian protests, they (plus Bulgarian protests) are a big thing in the European media at least.
My final opinion is that keep the volcano eruption, other people can discuss wether the others should be left off. :) Armaanikaks ( talk) 16:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Should Regis be considered notable enough internationally for inclusion here? Have no strong feelings either way, though my impression is that he seems to mainly be notable as a media personality within the US. Would be good to have a consensus in any case. -- Thescrubbythug ( talk) 15:20, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
Do you think Peter Green’s image should be here for inclusion? I don’t understand how there’s so many images in the deaths section, but I kind of agree with Deb, since I’ve heard of Green until he died and his image shouldn’t be here for inclusion. What do you think? Gar ( talk) 17:24, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
I already added Hurricane Hanna but do you think I should add things like Tropical Storm Cristobal and Tropical Storm Fay? I like hurricanes ( talk) 00:07, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay I like hurricanes ( talk) 18:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
I'd like to argue for removing Conway's photo, simply because it's not a very good one and we don't seem to have anything better. We already have an image of one British mathematician (Freeman Dyson) so it wouldn't affect the balance. Deb ( talk) 11:36, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
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Just to update this list a little bit @ Deb:, I'd also include as consideration for removal (the majority of which has had the importance tag put on them for a while now):
-- Thescrubbythug ( talk) 02:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Should "The United States becomes the first country to record 5 million cases of COVID-19, at least a quarter of the current worldwide total." be added? Dantheanimator ( talk) 19:08, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Should "Former King of Spain Juan Carlos I goes into self-imposed exile amid a financial scandal" be added or left off? I removed this earlier because there doesn't seem to be anything notable about this at all. He isn't even the current king nor was he exiled by the government, but by himself. Would like to get a consensus on this. Dantheanimator ( talk) 12:55, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Michael Brooks death has been removed twice as of now for the reason and I quote that he is barely known outside the US Which I personally think is not a good reason.
I am creating this new section to prevent edit warring as I fear that if I revert again my new revert would be reverted again.
Maxime12346 ( talk) 22:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
I see from Martin Birch's (rather short) article that he was significant in terms of British music but, despite the many articles in other-language Wikis, I'm not convinced that his international notability is great enough to include him in the Deaths section. Deb ( talk) 08:25, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
User:Alsoriano97 has twice restored an image of Pedro Casaldáliga in the deaths section, which on my desktop causes an overflow beyond the end of the section. However, he writes: "I don't know from what support you have Wikipedia open, but there is even space to add this photo, or any other, at least from the Desk mode. I will not debate whether this photo should be put here because another user posted it and did not generate any type of complaint, so acceptance is tacit." I see that on my laptop there isn't an overflow, but on my desktop there definitely is. Alsoriano has declined to discuss this on the Talk page so I would like to know what other editors are seeing. Also, do others think that an image of Pedro Casaldáliga is "deserved"? Deb ( talk) 14:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
User:Unknown artist has added Ben Cross in the Deaths section. Although he was in a lot of films, I would argue that he wasn't a top-ranked actor. Despite Chariots of Fire, he wasn't a household name in the UK so I doubt he was widely known internationally. Deb ( talk) 11:36, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
I was a big fan of Wayne Fontana but I intend to remove him from the Deaths section as he had little notability outside the UK. Deb ( talk) 11:01, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Should "Hurricane Laura makes landfall in Louisiana, making it the most powerful hurricane in terms of wind speeds to strike the state, tied with the 1856 Last Island Hurricane" be added/kept off?
It definitely is historic for Louisiana, but that's the issue, only for Louisiana. If it were historic for the whole Gulf region of the U.S. or at least a few other states, then it would be more notable I would argue. If events were added solely on whether they were historic in their state/province/oblast/town/etc, then many minor and other events that wouldn't be usually added would be added. Let me know your thoughts on the notability of this particular hurricane. Dan the Animator 19:48, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
User:Alsoriano97 apparently believes that all international footballers should be placed in the Deaths section of this page, even when they don't appear on any Year in Topic page. Of the 28 footballers currently on this page, I propose removing the following:
I'll be back with more proposals on this. Deb ( talk) 17:48, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
And:
Note how Italy, Spain and the UK dominate the entries.
Also some minor actors that Alsoriano97 restored:
Please give views on these. Deb ( talk) 19:08, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
I have concerns that trolls will put in misinformation into this article. Even if they don't do things like spam, I fear that people will try to put misinformation on this article for political reasons (misinformation about what is really going on, who does what, incorrectly stating peaceful protests as violent riots, incorrectly stating shooters and murderers as having been a victim, etc.), malicious reasons (to misinform the public about COVID-19, to denounce mask wearing, to stir up chaos and divide people, etc.), and other reasons one might have to put misinformation in an article about events in 2020.
Given these concerns, can we have the article protected so that changes can only be made by people who are proven to be responsible and honest? We could make it so that the public can only suggest changes, and have moderators to keep the talk page troll-free.
So, could we have the 2020 article protected?
Damariobros ( talk) 18:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Is this sufficiently notable to be mentioned in the events section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucy3456 ( talk • contribs) 23:27, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
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Please editǃ 14.199.204.191 ( talk) 08:17, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Instead of tagging Lou Brock for importance, a famous baseball player and a Hall of Famer, why not tag Dragoljub Ojdanić, who basically has a semi stub of an article and from a google search the majority of the news of his death are from Serbian websites. Sumner Redstone was famous as well, just because they're American doesnt make them not important. Lochglasgowstrathyre ( talk) 19:51, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
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2403:6200:8813:92A2:B4DA:453:926:E491 ( talk) 10:21, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Since there seems to be some issue with him being listed on this page i thought i'd make a post. Worth noting he has a Bitannica entry (not every day for your average gridiron player to be in a international major work of official canonical history) [2] and surely a Britannica listing is a nice bar for entry on a less official list like this one. Either way let's go through the rest of the entries here from September and see if they have a Britannica listing and are in one of the official canons of history, just for fun.
So out of 32 people listed, only 8 have a mention and 4 are full articles (Like Sayers). Does not make sense to not list him. Seems this list would be more based on personal opinion and call it into question then if someone in one of the more major Encyclopedias cant make it into a lesser one like this while all these other people do not have a entry in the Britannica and yet are listed here. If someone has a Britannica they clearly should be listed here imo. Either way, just thought i'd run through everyone since he was removed (i restored him). It could be fun to go through the whole year too.
PS, Britannica's search engine is apparently blacklisted so i couldn't source them not being listed, but y'all can always check for yourself.
I propose that we begin the cleanup by removing all deaths where the person doesn't have a Britannica entry, and then debate each new addition? But first list all those who are to be removed so that anyone who wants to speak up for them has the opportunity to do so. Deb ( talk) 09:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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January 31 The US implements travel restrictions for China https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-nonimmigrants-persons-pose-risk-transmitting-2019-novel-coronavirus/
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