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Should the third rows in the manufacturers' championship table for entrants that have run three cars at an event be removed?
Furthermore, in the late 1990s and early 2000s, teams could enter three cars, but only two could score points. The difference was that they had to nominate who scored points in advance of the start, whereas here it is only decided at the end. Having the same appearance between two matrices thus misrepresents the championship.
And if the row of NCs is as confusing as you claim it to be, why haven't we had problems with people constantly removing it since it was introduced in 2017? Or is this another case of you being able to psychically tell what readers are thinking? Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 20:19, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
"editors insisted that it was more important for the matrix to show how a team's championship result was achieved rather than who contributed what and when" - with your edit, it still did not show that. Basically you want to show that some teams have two drivers while some have 3. Didn't you also want to show the driver, but ruled out {{ Hover title}}? Pelmeen10 ( talk) 22:35, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
No, it shows which entries are eligible to score points, not which entries did score points.
And "NC" means that they were entered, eligible to score points and recorded a result but that result did not contribute championship points. It's a very different meaning to other motorsports like Formula 1 where "NC" means a driver was running at the end of the race, but did not complete enough laps to be classified. Outside WRC articles, "NC" is a very rare field to use in results matrices. What would you suggest we do if Tänak scores a result for Toyota, but Latvala and Meeke retire? Under your system, we would have the result and a retirement recorded, but it is not clear what happened to the third entry. You cannot assume they retired—they could have withdrawn, been disqualified or excluded, or retired. Your proposal only works if every team records two points-scoring results.
I have raised this issue at DRN since it clearly is not going away. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 12:25, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Enough of this now. These are nothing but off-topic personal attacks. Let's have the on-topic discussion judged by an uninvolved person now so as to finally find consensus.
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Excuse me if I don't simply take your word for it. Your behaviour speaks volumes to the contrary. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 18:07, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
What you are doing is called Wikihounding:
Which you certainly do. Your only contributions to rallying articles are to either oppose me in discussions or to propose changes that I have proposed elsewhere. It certainly inhibits the work I do, and it is annoying because it slows the process down. Wikihounding also says the following:
It certainly does disrupt my enjoyment of editing—I've had root canals that were more fun than some of these conversations.
And for the umpteenth time, your word means next to nothing. Your edit history shows an anomaly. Like many editors, you have a range of subjects that you like to edit. And like many editors, you edit multiple pages within that subject area. So why is it that the only article you edit in the subject of rallying is the current WRC championship article? And why is it that you only ever lobby for changes to specific sections of that article? This is literally the only place on Wikipedia that you do this. It clearly fits the definition of Wikihounding. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 12:39, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
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Collapsing this isn't going to make it go away. You can try and hide it, but your agenda is still quite clear. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 06:56, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi Everybody, I was wondering if we should possibility think about including some Rally Estonia details as a non-championship rally. Especially as the WRC are promoting this event as the "first-ever Promotional Rally", all manufacturers are sending at least one car, and WRC+ are covering some of the stages live. — Preceding unsigned comment added by F1season ( talk • contribs) 18:20, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Do we list planned distances or final distances? Currently we mention the cancelled stage in Monte Carlo, but for example in Portugal 2 stages of 4.5km total were also cancelled (instead of 20 stages, 18 were contested). Checking both wrc.com & ewrc-results, these are the differences:
We mostly forget to change to actual distances and add notes anyway, so maybe list the total (not counting out the cancelled) distance? Pelmeen10 ( talk) 13:39, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
How can there be so drastic differences in Mexico and Turkey distances? Maybe we should just trust the ewrc-results.com. Pelmeen10 ( talk) 17:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
The aforementioned "small consensus" is so small that nobody did anything with it for ten weeks (before today, the last comment was made on 4 September). This "consensus" is clearly not as compelling as some people believe it to be, and given the passage of time since it was supposedly formed, it should be discussed again. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 10:34, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
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Should the third rows in the manufacturers' championship table for entrants that have run three cars at an event be removed?
Furthermore, in the late 1990s and early 2000s, teams could enter three cars, but only two could score points. The difference was that they had to nominate who scored points in advance of the start, whereas here it is only decided at the end. Having the same appearance between two matrices thus misrepresents the championship.
And if the row of NCs is as confusing as you claim it to be, why haven't we had problems with people constantly removing it since it was introduced in 2017? Or is this another case of you being able to psychically tell what readers are thinking? Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 20:19, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
"editors insisted that it was more important for the matrix to show how a team's championship result was achieved rather than who contributed what and when" - with your edit, it still did not show that. Basically you want to show that some teams have two drivers while some have 3. Didn't you also want to show the driver, but ruled out {{ Hover title}}? Pelmeen10 ( talk) 22:35, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
No, it shows which entries are eligible to score points, not which entries did score points.
And "NC" means that they were entered, eligible to score points and recorded a result but that result did not contribute championship points. It's a very different meaning to other motorsports like Formula 1 where "NC" means a driver was running at the end of the race, but did not complete enough laps to be classified. Outside WRC articles, "NC" is a very rare field to use in results matrices. What would you suggest we do if Tänak scores a result for Toyota, but Latvala and Meeke retire? Under your system, we would have the result and a retirement recorded, but it is not clear what happened to the third entry. You cannot assume they retired—they could have withdrawn, been disqualified or excluded, or retired. Your proposal only works if every team records two points-scoring results.
I have raised this issue at DRN since it clearly is not going away. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 12:25, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Enough of this now. These are nothing but off-topic personal attacks. Let's have the on-topic discussion judged by an uninvolved person now so as to finally find consensus.
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Excuse me if I don't simply take your word for it. Your behaviour speaks volumes to the contrary. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 18:07, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
What you are doing is called Wikihounding:
Which you certainly do. Your only contributions to rallying articles are to either oppose me in discussions or to propose changes that I have proposed elsewhere. It certainly inhibits the work I do, and it is annoying because it slows the process down. Wikihounding also says the following:
It certainly does disrupt my enjoyment of editing—I've had root canals that were more fun than some of these conversations.
And for the umpteenth time, your word means next to nothing. Your edit history shows an anomaly. Like many editors, you have a range of subjects that you like to edit. And like many editors, you edit multiple pages within that subject area. So why is it that the only article you edit in the subject of rallying is the current WRC championship article? And why is it that you only ever lobby for changes to specific sections of that article? This is literally the only place on Wikipedia that you do this. It clearly fits the definition of Wikihounding. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 12:39, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
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Collapsing this isn't going to make it go away. You can try and hide it, but your agenda is still quite clear. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 06:56, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi Everybody, I was wondering if we should possibility think about including some Rally Estonia details as a non-championship rally. Especially as the WRC are promoting this event as the "first-ever Promotional Rally", all manufacturers are sending at least one car, and WRC+ are covering some of the stages live. — Preceding unsigned comment added by F1season ( talk • contribs) 18:20, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Do we list planned distances or final distances? Currently we mention the cancelled stage in Monte Carlo, but for example in Portugal 2 stages of 4.5km total were also cancelled (instead of 20 stages, 18 were contested). Checking both wrc.com & ewrc-results, these are the differences:
We mostly forget to change to actual distances and add notes anyway, so maybe list the total (not counting out the cancelled) distance? Pelmeen10 ( talk) 13:39, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
How can there be so drastic differences in Mexico and Turkey distances? Maybe we should just trust the ewrc-results.com. Pelmeen10 ( talk) 17:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
The aforementioned "small consensus" is so small that nobody did anything with it for ten weeks (before today, the last comment was made on 4 September). This "consensus" is clearly not as compelling as some people believe it to be, and given the passage of time since it was supposedly formed, it should be discussed again. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 10:34, 24 November 2019 (UTC)