![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 |
Jaish-e-Muhammad was listed as ‘neutral’ on this a while back, why has it been changed to say it’s supporting Pakistan? Taimoorahmed11 ( talk) 14:39, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
The 4 Indian civilians killed are put under Pakistan's column. As they are Indian nationals they should be moved to the India column
NoMoreOstriches ( talk) 05:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Sometimes even after wars end some insurgency continues. The American Civil War ended in 1865 but some confederate loyalists still continued insurgency over the 19th Century, post war insurgency doesnt't mean continuation of the war. Insurgency often continues after armistices and treaties, stuffs that end wars have already been enforced. Nothing has happened relating to this particular issue since August 21, India and Pakistan have fought on variety of issues since 1947, and some issues are over and some continue. The one that begun in 26 February in reality ended with Pakistan handing over the captured pilot. The last major issue relating to "this particular clash" happened in August 21, post August 21 disputes are unrelated and should have their own articles. The 2019 India–Pakistan border skirmishes is over and the release of the Indian pilot and revocation of special status of the state of Jammu and Kashmir just states that it ended with Indian Victory, the final result of the February 26-August 21 conflict. Dilbaggg ( talk) 04:05, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
India claims pakistani f-16 was shot down, but this has been refuted by many analysts, and claim is very dubious recently a new article has surfaced https://thewire.in/security/christine-fair-iaf-balakot-pakistan-f16
Which makes a similar claim no F-16 was shot down I can see in losses section "1 F-16 shot down (india claim)" can the statement be amended to 1 F-16 Shot down (india claims however disputed by international critics)
And can this link be added as a reference ?
Regards
TruthSage — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.253.9.53 ( talk) 19:09, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved - no objections ( closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 ( talk) 03:43, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
– Establishes consistency with 2011 India–Pakistan border skirmish, 2013 India–Pakistan border skirmishes, and many other articles about border conflicts. Putting the year(s) first per WP:NCEVENTS. BegbertBiggs ( talk) 21:27, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
![]() | This
edit request to
2019 India–Pakistan border skirmishes has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
change
to
An Indian MI-17 was shot down on the day of skirmish in friendly fire [1] [2]. This should be included in the article.
@ Slatersteven: I understand WP:BRD and WP:CON, but I think you must describe what are the problems you found in my version which made you to revert me here. It has been nearly 1.5 years that the lead of the article is still same and now we have enough international neutral sources that we can modify the lead as my written version reflected. -- Yoonadue ( talk) 11:23, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
India claimed that before getting captured, he shot down a Pakistan Air Force's F-16 aircraft from his Mig-21 Bison, [3] [4] but Pakistan denied this. [5]
I don't see what was wrong with this edit since it wasn't even made on lead and was complying with the points made by Slatersteven that the information can be mentioned on the body and not the lead. I would like to know "NPOV" violation was found given all claims were properly attributed. Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 02:01, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
The Indian media reported on the same day that a
PAF's
F-16 was shot down by IAF which fell in the Pakistani territory,
[8] but Pakistan denied any loss of its F-16.
[4] In its briefing dated 28 February 2019, the IAF claimed to have shot down a PAF's F-16 in the aerial engagement.
[9]
[10] On 8 April 2020, IAF reiterated by presenting radar images that Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman had shot down a PAF's F-16 aircraft from his Mig-21 Bison before getting captured by the Pakistani forces.
[4]
[11]
--
Yoonadue (
talk)
17:03, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
I am back here with a new proposed version for the main body. I have trimmed the old version significantly and used more neutral wordings. I hope we gain consensus this time:
On 28 February and 8 April 2019, the IAF claimed that Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman had shot down a PAF's F-16 aircraft from his Mig-21 Bison before getting captured by the Pakistani forces.
[12]
[13]
[14] But Pakistan denied any loss of its F-16.
[15]
--
Yoonadue (
talk)
16:09, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
@
Slatersteven: They aren't unsubstantiated claims. There are enough evidences to refute Pakistan's denial of losing an F-16.
If there are any reliability issues, they are on the Pakistani side rather than Indian. In your last reply, you said that words like "reiteration" needs to be removed and IAF's claims should not be given too much space. Now in my latest proposed version, I have removed the "reiterated" word and trimmed the entire content a lot from my previous proposed version. But you still say that it violates NPOV. You want the page to present that an aerial engagement took place and Pakistan clearly won 1-0 and Indian claim of shooting F-16 should not even be mentioned. I find it an utter violation of NPOV. -- Yoonadue ( talk) 07:11, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
References
![]() | This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Want to make some edits that I found suitable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ISL fan ( talk • contribs) 04:49, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
It says 2 pakistani soldiers killed under causalities and loss but the source mentions 2 civilians. Kindly change 46.152.63.26 ( talk) 17:16, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
User:Slatersteven I think you should mention Mi-17 [1] [2] shot down too in the Casualities and Loss 46.152.60.188 ( talk) 00:20, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
References
{{
cite web}}
: Missing or empty |title=
(
help)
{{
cite web}}
: Missing or empty |title=
(
help)
Slatersteven give proof Tayyab Ahmad67 ( talk) 09:12, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
I think it is important to add Modi's remarks of “Today, the lack of Rafale is being felt,” Modi said. “The country is saying in one voice that had we had the Rafale [fighter jets] now, what all could have happened? Putting self-interest and politics before Rafale has seriously hurt the nation.” [1] As it is a tacit admission that IAF did not perform to the standards the government wanted. It also lead to a greater focus on India acquiring Rafael which they have just revived.
I suggest this be added to the aftermath section.
References
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 133.175.178.17 ( talk) 23:39, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Indian losses and casualties should depict the loss of 1 Mil Mi-17, 6 Indian Air Force personnel and 1 civilian because of friendly fire
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.33.154.12 ( talk) 04:49, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 |
Jaish-e-Muhammad was listed as ‘neutral’ on this a while back, why has it been changed to say it’s supporting Pakistan? Taimoorahmed11 ( talk) 14:39, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
The 4 Indian civilians killed are put under Pakistan's column. As they are Indian nationals they should be moved to the India column
NoMoreOstriches ( talk) 05:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Sometimes even after wars end some insurgency continues. The American Civil War ended in 1865 but some confederate loyalists still continued insurgency over the 19th Century, post war insurgency doesnt't mean continuation of the war. Insurgency often continues after armistices and treaties, stuffs that end wars have already been enforced. Nothing has happened relating to this particular issue since August 21, India and Pakistan have fought on variety of issues since 1947, and some issues are over and some continue. The one that begun in 26 February in reality ended with Pakistan handing over the captured pilot. The last major issue relating to "this particular clash" happened in August 21, post August 21 disputes are unrelated and should have their own articles. The 2019 India–Pakistan border skirmishes is over and the release of the Indian pilot and revocation of special status of the state of Jammu and Kashmir just states that it ended with Indian Victory, the final result of the February 26-August 21 conflict. Dilbaggg ( talk) 04:05, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
India claims pakistani f-16 was shot down, but this has been refuted by many analysts, and claim is very dubious recently a new article has surfaced https://thewire.in/security/christine-fair-iaf-balakot-pakistan-f16
Which makes a similar claim no F-16 was shot down I can see in losses section "1 F-16 shot down (india claim)" can the statement be amended to 1 F-16 Shot down (india claims however disputed by international critics)
And can this link be added as a reference ?
Regards
TruthSage — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.253.9.53 ( talk) 19:09, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved - no objections ( closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 ( talk) 03:43, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
– Establishes consistency with 2011 India–Pakistan border skirmish, 2013 India–Pakistan border skirmishes, and many other articles about border conflicts. Putting the year(s) first per WP:NCEVENTS. BegbertBiggs ( talk) 21:27, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
![]() | This
edit request to
2019 India–Pakistan border skirmishes has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
change
to
An Indian MI-17 was shot down on the day of skirmish in friendly fire [1] [2]. This should be included in the article.
@ Slatersteven: I understand WP:BRD and WP:CON, but I think you must describe what are the problems you found in my version which made you to revert me here. It has been nearly 1.5 years that the lead of the article is still same and now we have enough international neutral sources that we can modify the lead as my written version reflected. -- Yoonadue ( talk) 11:23, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
India claimed that before getting captured, he shot down a Pakistan Air Force's F-16 aircraft from his Mig-21 Bison, [3] [4] but Pakistan denied this. [5]
I don't see what was wrong with this edit since it wasn't even made on lead and was complying with the points made by Slatersteven that the information can be mentioned on the body and not the lead. I would like to know "NPOV" violation was found given all claims were properly attributed. Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 02:01, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
The Indian media reported on the same day that a
PAF's
F-16 was shot down by IAF which fell in the Pakistani territory,
[8] but Pakistan denied any loss of its F-16.
[4] In its briefing dated 28 February 2019, the IAF claimed to have shot down a PAF's F-16 in the aerial engagement.
[9]
[10] On 8 April 2020, IAF reiterated by presenting radar images that Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman had shot down a PAF's F-16 aircraft from his Mig-21 Bison before getting captured by the Pakistani forces.
[4]
[11]
--
Yoonadue (
talk)
17:03, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
I am back here with a new proposed version for the main body. I have trimmed the old version significantly and used more neutral wordings. I hope we gain consensus this time:
On 28 February and 8 April 2019, the IAF claimed that Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman had shot down a PAF's F-16 aircraft from his Mig-21 Bison before getting captured by the Pakistani forces.
[12]
[13]
[14] But Pakistan denied any loss of its F-16.
[15]
--
Yoonadue (
talk)
16:09, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
@
Slatersteven: They aren't unsubstantiated claims. There are enough evidences to refute Pakistan's denial of losing an F-16.
If there are any reliability issues, they are on the Pakistani side rather than Indian. In your last reply, you said that words like "reiteration" needs to be removed and IAF's claims should not be given too much space. Now in my latest proposed version, I have removed the "reiterated" word and trimmed the entire content a lot from my previous proposed version. But you still say that it violates NPOV. You want the page to present that an aerial engagement took place and Pakistan clearly won 1-0 and Indian claim of shooting F-16 should not even be mentioned. I find it an utter violation of NPOV. -- Yoonadue ( talk) 07:11, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
References
![]() | This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Want to make some edits that I found suitable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ISL fan ( talk • contribs) 04:49, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
It says 2 pakistani soldiers killed under causalities and loss but the source mentions 2 civilians. Kindly change 46.152.63.26 ( talk) 17:16, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
User:Slatersteven I think you should mention Mi-17 [1] [2] shot down too in the Casualities and Loss 46.152.60.188 ( talk) 00:20, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
References
{{
cite web}}
: Missing or empty |title=
(
help)
{{
cite web}}
: Missing or empty |title=
(
help)
Slatersteven give proof Tayyab Ahmad67 ( talk) 09:12, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
I think it is important to add Modi's remarks of “Today, the lack of Rafale is being felt,” Modi said. “The country is saying in one voice that had we had the Rafale [fighter jets] now, what all could have happened? Putting self-interest and politics before Rafale has seriously hurt the nation.” [1] As it is a tacit admission that IAF did not perform to the standards the government wanted. It also lead to a greater focus on India acquiring Rafael which they have just revived.
I suggest this be added to the aftermath section.
References
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 133.175.178.17 ( talk) 23:39, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Indian losses and casualties should depict the loss of 1 Mil Mi-17, 6 Indian Air Force personnel and 1 civilian because of friendly fire
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.33.154.12 ( talk) 04:49, 6 September 2020 (UTC)